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First off I have not seen Gibson’s film and find many things wrong with it from what I have seen. But to attack it for being anti Semitic is a hypocrisy since the Jewish people are pushing for the movie the Da Vinci code which is a fictional book which the media has pushed it to be seen as if it is truthful non fiction. Mel Gibson despite me not agreeing with it should be supported just as much and even more than most films now. Read all before commenting. The Jewish book the torah has been edited in Christ time to prove that Christ did not come. There is a Rabi on TV that converts Jews to Christians by showing evidence that the messiah came. I am just quoting what other sites say and what other Jews said. The Jewish organization "The ADL supports gay marriage (Global Jewish News, 1/29/2004), despite clear Old Testament teachings against it." Many religious Jewish organizations have done many federal illegal activities. Well Many of the Jewish people in the US are liberal that support many anti Christian things. They want to ban the bible and want to have a law to not make church going Christians vote to have a separation of church and state lol. The liberal news and entertainment media have a lot of lies and immoral behavior. you would think that they would say something moral since they are religious. In Israel they teach kids in school that there is no god which is scary. :| Even schools here are very liberal which a study shows that 9 out of 10 professors in colleges are Liberal that pushes their views in class. Reminds me of a Jewish teacher that says there are no such things as facts and everything is an opinion. Another professes laughed while she mocked Christianity saying that it’s a joke that Christ rose from the dead and died for our sins. Even one person said that the bible reads like a children’s book like doctors souse. I have not heard any positive talk about Christianity when I went to college since it is not allowed in some ways but anti christens talk is popular. Jewish communities are united which is good since if a family has 4 kids the community pays for the kid to grow up if the family has 8 kids then the community pays for all the kids education. The most wealthy and powerful people in America are the Jewish people. "Are We Being Too Harsh? The holiday Honokaa which many do not know about is a retaliation attack on them and they find it a medical that the oil they had lasted for so long. The Jewish people are not the chosen people of God and have not been ever since Christ came since they do not keep the word of God. "The modern Pharisees call those who come in Christ's name "bigots," "extremists," and "anti-Semites." "The REAL anti-Semites are the Jewish leaders who want to prevent the Gospel from being shared with the Jewish people." People who cry could the most do the most foul. Even if you say facts you are anti-Semitic. The Jewish people are not even related to the original Jews since a Semitic person has dark skin like a middle eastern which even Christ looked like that. I do not know the site well but many other Christian churches and others news sources and independent news sites say the same. Freedom of speech is ok to lie in the news, have immoral shows, but to say another view is bad it seems just like Mel Gibson how he was attacked. Another view is not encouraged and if you say anything then you are attacked. Instead of attacking Christians for say history why don’t they become humble, but being humble is a Christian thing I guess. |
Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
I would have to disagree with a few things here. First of all, on a historical note, the festival of Hahnnuka is a commemoration of the revolt of the maccabees against the seluccid empire, more specificly after the Jew's were victorious, hahnnuka comemorates the miracle in which the oil for the lamp in the temple lasted for 8 days when there should only have been enough for 1 day.. this allowed the temple to run properly until more oil could be brought in. Secondly, I think it is clear from what Paul says in Romans (chapter 9 I believe) that God has not abandon the Jews. They are still his people and they will be saved. It is also clear from what Paul says that right now the Jewish people have a veil over their eyes which prevents them as a nation from seeing the truth. Also, the things that they have suffered have been allowed (just as in the bible) because of their unrighteousness, to drive them back to God. Personaly I see nothing in scripture that makes me believe anything has changed since God said of Israel that they are the apple of his eye. It is true that many Jewish people are terribly liberal, and in some cases very anti christian. That, however, doesn't change our responsability to them. I personaly thought Gibson's the passion of the Christ was very good. The attacks on it of anti semitism were made primarily by people who either didn't see the movie, or believe that the New Testament itself is anti semetic. ------------------ |
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What you said is debatable. |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
i have to agree with simon. many christians do idolise the jews too much, and go too far into jewish this and jewish that(i.e that they don't even really care for preaching the gospel to the arabs or other muslims - they actually hate them ), however the truth still remains on the other hand, and even scarier is the amount of christians that are rapidly becoming anti jewish.(because of their feeding from the worlds worldview say in regards to the palistinian 'issue' in the media. on all such issues, there are always unbalances at the extremes, and remember there is much spiritual warfare, and more than meets the eye to all this, so these unbalances are to be expected, however if we focus on Christ, and living our his message, his gospel, his grace and his love. History, righteous and unrighteous jews , media slants, church slants, don't change the character of God, nor his promises in the abrahmic covenant. ------------------ [This message has been edited by klumsy (edited November 22, 2004).] |
d000hg Member Posts: 144 From: Durham, UK Registered: 07-27-2004 |
What's wrong with Gison's film? The anti-semetic claims are false - it claims the Jews killed Jesus but that's hardly anti-semetic (the Romans helped, and many Jews followed Jesus). And it seemed accurate, apart from a few touches from Catholicism (stations of the cross). But they were just that - touches - of no importance to the story. The only questionable part to me was their dramatisation of what happened when Jesus died, but then others may claim it was like that (only less Hollywood-ised). The Jews are special to God; some/many of them will be in Heaven. |
bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
the best way i can explain it is like paul did. the jews are the natural olive branches, and us gentiles are the wild olive branches grafted in against nature. which means if God could graft us in, He could just as easily cut us back off. that's to the ones who some reason think they're Christians but hate jews, after all the one they claim to serve was a Jew! ------------------ www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs |