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If Christ had to choose I do not think he would choose either one. But what most religious people are lean towards conservative. Many rules in society that hinder religion lead towards the liberal view since many liberals come out with books and information and laws. More conservatives are republicans but there are many democrats that are conservative. Many republicans are liberal in their view too. But some conservatives are that for other reasons like social conservatives for political reasons like California governor Arnold, or you have ones that are religious conservatives like Pat Robertson. Even Bush is ½ in each and not a true conservative in his acting which he acts in many ways like Kerry. Well more conservatives fought for moral decency in society. Even liberals were like the conservatives 50 years ago but now both have gone far away from the original values. The thing is that you can not anymore give your money to a group since both generally go against what the part use to stand for. One person that fight for true conservative right is this http://www.eagleforum.org/ the women that made the site wrote a book about how judges change the law and do not enforce the law. She also stopped the equal rights amendment which one law from it was to take away men and women bathrooms so that both men and women go in the same room. The reason why conservatives use the eagle is to represent that the eagle has 1 mate for life and does not fool around. I think no matter what conservatives do the society is going down the drain since many do not act but only talk about it. Even a Jewish conservative that helped Bush in his campaign said this about many bad conservatives http://www.jtf.org/xxx.phony.conservatives.part.one.htm The news media, music, and the entertainment industry mostly lean towards liberalism. You have shows like Penn & Teller on Show Time saying how they are atheists how they attack Christianity. Even colleges are liberal which Yale or Harvard has a sex week and classes about sex. One class said for the students to get a video camera, find a partner, and then have sex with them and record it to be graded on how they perform. Or how about how a Christian club in some school are not allowed to discriminate against other beliefs, and that they must allow atheists to join and have a chance to be president of their Christian group. I don't know what odd thing they will do next. I do not have the site but it was online somewhere. |
CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
quote: K-State (the college I'm going to) actually had this happen. ------------------ Switch Mayhem now available! Get it here |
Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Yeah definatly some crazy stuff going on for sure. It's kinda funny how these people grow in knowledge but shrink in wisdom at the same time. ACLU = Anti-Christian Liberties Union (heheh) ------------------ "So many laughing at Jesus," [This message has been edited by brandon (edited September 24, 2004).] |
GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
Shouldn't that be Anti-Christian Liberals Union? I've actually met one of the original founders of the ACLU and even she said it's gotten out of control. |
CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
Oh, yuck, Just went to the ALCU website, and I saw their info about some of their issues. It's absolutely appalling. They even support abortion, a practice that kills millions of individuals every year. ------------------ Switch Mayhem now available! Get it here |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
quote: um... hmm, let me think about that.. Yes. of course they did. not as bad as Planned Parenthood, tho now, PP... they're evil. they sold shirts saying "I had an abortion" I wonder what they would say if someone came up with a shirt that said "I shot an abortion doctor" it'd kinda be funny to see their reaction... ------------------ |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
yeah the world is pretty messed up sad when the ACLU has turned into such an 'anti' organisation with evil agenda all in the name of 'liberty' but i think its dangerous to class people as conservatives and liberals, and then write off all who claim to be liberal of any nature, like 'how could a christian be liberal', sure i as a christian don't align to the typical 'liberal' stereotype, but i won't allow such extremeists to steal a perfectly good word and biblical concept from me. in Christ i have liberty, but its in the context of absolute truth (which is unchanging and thus 'conservative' in value), its when liberty is taken out of this context, that evil has teh change to breed in it, and sin is at the door.. so what am i? a conserative liberal? a liberal conversative? or maybe a preservative libarian? just a christian. Conservative in truth ------------------ |
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I agree klumsy on what you say and Christ would not side with either. But in this society you have to preserve than give more liberty to more perversions things have been liberated enough with love/lust, they give too much mercy on the wicked and give no mercy to Christina values, liberty to give you do not see in either party which is sad so liberals are symbolize it, and the same goes to the rest since they do not show it. The thing is the lesser of two evils and more immoral people are taking control of the liberal party. Personally I am in the middle and neither does true Christian things. Also the church is in the middle but side with the conservatives more it seems since the liberals are not helping the cause. |
Torial Member Posts: 73 From: Cedar Rapids, Ia, USA Registered: 07-23-2002 |
I've actually been loaned that Supremacists book.. haven't started it yet.. but probably will soon. I saw somewhere just today that conservatives are yesterday's liberals. And I've heard various teachers say similar things, that our society during a reformation aligns itself. But there is a foolish / sinful element that pulls to an extreme. The general public reacts against it, and culture settles somewhere in the middle... but no longer at the center of Biblical teaching. This happens multiple times, and the culture continues to slide away from being a Biblical culture. ------------------ |
D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: In the UK a church put an ad in the paper for an employee and turned down an applicant because they were atheist. They were taken to court and lost, and now it is illegal to turn down someone because of their faith. I wondered why the Church of England was full of homosexual vicars etc. --D-SIPL ------------------
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
interesting... so it seems that the UK owns all businesses now. Sidenote: to relate this to the US, that athiest was not protected under the first amendment. the first amendment applies to the government. ------------------ |
Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Wow D-SIPL that's pretty bad. Yeah here in the US, that would be a reason that the "Seperation of Church and State" was created. Ha, well knowing the courts today I kinda wonder how that would play out tho'... ------------------ "So many laughing at Jesus," |
Skynes Member Posts: 202 From: Belfast, N Ireland Registered: 01-18-2004 |
Seems to me these days that Separation of Church and state has had a reversal. Instead of church being involved in Government but Government not messing the church, the Church isn't allowed anywhere NEAR government and Government can dictate what the church can and cannot do.... It's so saddening... |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
seperation of church is not in the constitution. it's a myth. what is in the constitution is that the government cannot restrict the free excerise of religion, or endorse a religion. ------------------ |
GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
Exact wording: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" Considering that the Supreme Court declared Secular Humanism to be a religion it could be said that judges are breaking the first amendment by "establishing" those beliefs as the only ones allowed into the public forum. |
Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
a very good topic and good posts all
the phrase "seperation of church and state" is actually taken from a private letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a friend of his in france. When you take a close look at both the public statements of the founders, and the actions they took in government, it is obvious that they regarded christianity and christian morality as the foundation of american culture and american government.. whats more, even those of them who were not overtly christian, such as Benjamin Franklin clearly recognised the necessity of christian morality to sustain a free society.
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
quote: They also declared Atheism to be an officialy religion too. funny, isn't it?
quote: actually, he sent the letters to Anabaptists, who were concerned about government involvement with religion. ------------------ |
Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
it should also be noted in this conversation that the public school curriculum in most cases follows verbatim the secular humanist worldview, which is both by the admission of humanists and by the recognition of the US government, a religion. (for many years they have even had religious tax exemption.. something many of them were fighting to give up because they purposely want to disguise themselves). So really, its not about having no religion in schools, its about having the religion they want in schools. ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
quote: I wonder what they would say if someone came up with a shirt that said "I shot an abortion doctor" [/QUOTE] ROFLMAO!!!!!! ------------------ I took the road less traveled and now WHERE THE HELL AM I????? |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Everyone knows that we conservatives are evil. ------------------ I took the road less traveled and now WHERE THE HELL AM I????? |
Flamers23 Member Posts: 30 From: gilmanton N.H U.S.A Registered: 11-16-2004 |
I couldent even read all those long posts guys srry lol (if someone came out with a shirt that said that id order 10 ) ------------------ |
CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
That evil conservatives website - LOL! I haven't seen a website so thick with sarcasm . We conservatives are evil, and we're conspiring to take over the world! ------------------ Switch Mayhem now available! Get it here |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
the liberals hate that site ------------------ I took the road less traveled and now WHERE THE HELL AM I????? |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
in that case...
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
lol ------------------ I shall worship you all of my life. Till death do us together. |
Chickadoo Member Posts: 75 From: marzukba, europa, milky way Registered: 10-13-2004 |
quote: You hit the nail on the head, skynes. i'm glad that someone has finally stated that. ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I live in a church so I know what thats like... The building inspector thinks hes got supreme power and wants to get rid of us all together. ------------------ I shall worship you all of my life. Till death do us together. |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
ha! we all know the game developers pwn the building inspectors. ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Huh? pwn? ------------------ I shall worship you all of my life. Till death do us together. |