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What are some popular unknown SINS?

Can someone clarify what some popular myths that some sins are ok even though they are not?

For instance some that are ok to society but are actually sins are:
1 Getting drunk
2 Tattoos
3 White lies
4 Lies (which can lead to death kind of like what Hitler did to lie)
5 Not saying what should be said
6 Watching bad happen when you know you can stop it
7 Lust which gets confused for love
8 Fornication
9 Also having kids before marriage which also goes against fornication
10 Changing the bibleís words
11 Hedonism
12 Homosexual activities which also is part of hedonism
13 Charging interest to the people that are in need
14 Showing off pride than humbleness
15 Not taking action and just voicing your opinion only
16 Using your free time mostly for unimportant things
17 saying G** Dammed which curses God
18 to say what is bad as bad and not to be Politically correct
Etc. which you can fill in more.

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Hi warsong.

I definitely agree that there are many sins that are accepted by today's society. And I do agree with about 99% of your list there. But I think that there are some things that aren't good or bad, like getting a tattoo for instance. It's not a sin to get a tattoo. The Apostle Paul reminds us not to be legalistic and try to live up under the old testament law, because if we do then we must live under the WHOLE law, in which we become utterly guilty. For instance, if you don't have a fence around your roof then you'd be breaking the old testament law. Ever wear mixed materials in your clothing? That's another one. If we try and live under the old testament law then we must keep the whole law. Remember the old testament law was nailed to the cross. But also, Jesus repeated all of the 10 Commandments in the New Testament, all except for 1 of them, which is the keeping of the Sabbath. And they are even stronger now, for example, not only now must I not kill, now if I hate someone in my heart then that's just as bad as murder. Not only may I not commit adultry, but now if I look at a woman for lust then I am just as guilty!

I'm not fussing here, just making a point.

But what I'm saying is that we shouldn't focus on what people are doing as in how much they sin. That's not our place. But I believe our main focus should be towards them meeting Jesus Christ. Once a person sincerely does so, then God will take care of the rest. We shouldn't focus on do's and don'ts, but instead on growing our relationship with Christ, we aren't Christians because of what we do and don't do, but because of our relationship with Christ.


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G**D**** is less cursing God, more asking got to send something to hell.
not justifying it tho.

tatoos I would not consider a sin. a little on the stupid side, many times, tho. the bible does say not to paint yourself, but that seems to be more inline with pagan rituals, etc.

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Also having kids before marriage which also goes against fornication

ugh. NOTHING is wrong with having kids before marraige. it's having sex. so, what, kill the kid? did you just word this wrong or do you really mean what you said?

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I always thought that was your friend in need... but, I might be wrong.

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I understand what you are saying but in a way let me clarify. We kind of should not focus on how much they sin and look to ourselves but you also have to agree that society influences people and try to say that doing all those bad things are good. They say when you do not like something on TV then turn the channel, but what if everything on TV is not good, and what if you close the TV and turn to another media source and thatís immoral? The point is that is you sit around just saying things are immoral and let immoral happen does not make us any better and probably just as bad. For instance if you see someone getting robbed and you have a gun to stop it, which if you do nothing it would make you just as bad. Kind of like the part in the bible about the Good Samaritan.

The media has been regulated by Christian form the 1930ís-1950ís and Hollywood did have shows of sex in the 1920. Christians then did not act as much at after 1960 and let immoral things happen and being publicized like shows like sex in the city. People think the truth is something you hear many times and people get kind of brainwashed thinking if everyone does it then it must be normal and normal means that its ok.

I agree about the Old Testament and Christ clarified it. Also Christ said to respect others and treat them like yourself, and said to say the truth, so we should respect people but not there wrong views. Many did that with Hitlerís view and did more bad than good, and the same goes with other religions that are similar to Hitlerís book which society says not to say bad things about it which is wrong. If you are nice to bad then you are automatically bad to good. Some should know what religion I mean.

As for using G** D*** isnít that using gods name in vain and part of the 10 commandments? If I am wrong about the dammed part it still is bad to request for God to dam someone because you are mad which you are doing 2 bad things I would assume. If atheist to say that shows that they do not respect the others since the other should be offended to that and silly when they use it since they do not believe.

As for tattoos a priest would be against it and you would never see a proper priest with a tattoo on him, and if some think its ok then maybe they would think its ok if a priest has a tattoo on his forehead with a cross. Another thing is having a tattoo of a cross which seems contradictory since Christians are not supposed to show off like that. The New Testament says not to inflict damage upon yourself which is a sin. Well a priest can explain more but is someone knows how to clarify better then tell us.

As for not having kids, well just like you said about fornication. But the child is not to blame since the child did not sin so no need to call the child a sinner. Many couples should not have a white wedding but a black wedding. Some have gray wedding but the church decided to change the rules which is wrong and call it a white wedding. White is supposed to symbolize purity in a wedding but it does not seem to apply in todayís society since they push that the wrong is right. Kind of like what Christ said that what will be right will be considere3d wrong, and what is wrong will be considered right.

As for charging people well, shouldnít we all treat each other like friends?

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Many couples should not have a white wedding but a black wedding. Some have gray wedding but the church decided to change the rules which is wrong and call it a white wedding. White is supposed to symbolize purity in a wedding but it does not seem to apply in todayís society since they push that the wrong is right. Kind of like what Christ said that what will be right will be considere3d wrong, and what is wrong will be considered right.

that is true , but only to a point. I think these things shouldn't just be accepted as all ok, meaning people living together, just merging through a nice ceremony in the church, with all the words, irregardless of their conviction on marriage..

However if a couple is seeking God, choosing to do things right (like get some good counselling, deciding to live apart and not have sex (even though they were before) as they prepare for their marriage, sanctifying themselves apart for God and for holy matrimony, there is no reason not to have a white wedding - for there is such this as forgiveness of sins , as if they never happened, and God cleansing, purifying us from all unholiness, thus we can then go into marriage, not in shame of our past, but in the love and purity of the cleansing that Jesus gave us, thankful for him, and accepting his blessings over a holy and sanctified marriage.

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LEMME REPLY TO THIS QUESTION...WHAT R SOME POPLULAR UNKNOWN SINS...THIS IS EASY BUT HARD FOR SOME PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND CUZ THEY WOULD FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE...I COULD WRITE A BOOK BUT I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A SAMPLE...

1. THERE R DOUBLE OR MULTI MEANING TO WORDS(IT JUST DEPENDS HOW YOU USE THEM)

2. A HIDDIN PUN (WHEN EVER YOU HEAR SOMEONE SAY NO PUN INTENDED. THERE WAS A PUN SOMEWHERE) NOTE SOMEONE DOESNT HAVE TO SAY NO PUN INTENDED FOR THERE TO BE ONE. YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHAT TO LOOK 4 ;-)

3. HIDDEN GESTURES EITHER BY HAND GESTURES, WINKS OR SOME TYPE OF WORDING

4. LEARNING HOW TO USE CODING OR DECODING

ARE YOU CONFUSS YET OR FIND THIS STRANGE AND HARD TO BELIEVE? LOL I DONT BLAME YOU. I WAS 2 IN THE BEGINNING, BUT SADDLY TO SAY ITS OUT THERE. ONCE AGAIN THE QUESTION IS UNKNOWN SIN. IT CAN ALSO BE SAID UNTOLD OR UNSPOKEN SIN! IM GOIN TO ASK YOU TO TRUST ME ON THIS. AS WILD OR CRAZY AS THIS SOUNDS, ITS TRUE. ITS UP 2 YOU 2 BELIEVE IT OR NOT AND SOME OF YOU WONT ADMIT TO IT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE THIS AND KNOWS THE LINGO BELIEVE IN THESE 5 ELEMENTS 1. LIES 2.DECEPTION 3. TRICKERY 4.MISERY 5. LUST...
THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO SAY BUT THTS ANOTHER STORY...THERE IS YOUR UNKNOWN SIN

GOD BLESS YOU ALL

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I don't know quite what the distinctions are, but what has a 'white', 'grey' or 'black' wedding got to do with Christ? I assume it's related to the purity of the two people before they marry...?
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you know what, I reakon MAJESTRO320 loves the CAPS key, or has a fetich for holding down shift??

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you think using all caps is a hidden sin?

either way... hit the capslock key... do it...
then, you'll find that you can check your yahoo account.


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fetich

hahhahahah. omg... I can't believe you used that.
well, actually, I'd use it also, but anyways...

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Grant

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I even spelt it wrong!

'fetish' :P

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lol. okay, I thought you spelt it wrong on purpose.

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About Repenting
Another thing is communion in how can someone repent if they do not regret and come back every week with the same sin? You can not be truly repented if you do not regret. Itís like me punching you and saying sorry and I keep punching you again and keep saying sorry. lol

PS. you can change the casing on MS word by highlighting the words, select format, change casing, and choose how you want your casing to be.

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YOU REAKON RIGHT GRANT I LOVE THE CAPS KEY. MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP TRING TO HEAR THE MS CD BACKWARDS AND START HEARING THE RIGHT VOICES FROM ABOVE... NO PUN INTENDED AND NO ARCHANGEL USING ALL CAPS NOT A SIN, JUST A HIDDEN MESSAGE ;-) I AGREE WITH WARSON YOU CANT REPENT IF THERE IS NO REGRET

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yep i agree, if you look repent in the dictionary, regret comes up a fair bit..
here is a truth though
regret is good in the context of God's grace.
for when you have regret and repent in the Context of God's grace, you get humility , and alot of thankfulness, appreciation of how precious Jesus' sacrifice was for, and you are motivated by God's love and acceptance and forgiveness towards works of righteousness, you will not be so self focused by get to work of serving God and loving others.

however if you have regret outside the context of God's grace,
your mind is open to 'the accuser of the bretheren' who along with yourself with persuade you taht you are worthless, hopeless, you will live in a cycle of sin, guilt , shame, sin, guilt , shame, you will end up hating yourself, and your view of God will be shewed, you won't have a true humility before God, but a weird bizarre form of pride that is always focused on yourself (even if its because o fyour failures and sin), you will try to use God as your self improvement guru to improve yourself, not so much out of love for God and wanting to obey him because of the appreciation of his love an grace (as in the top example), but rather because you need to feel improved so you can feel better about yourself , all SELF SELF SELF, mixed with sin, guilt and shame - not a pretty picture.

regret,having a conscience about our sin but the Grace of God, Jesus's Salvation is much more important for there is no longer Codemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, and our sins are in the sea of forgetfulness - (not as a license to be able to continue sin, God forbit that) but as liberation to be able to follow Christ in purity and love , in obedience to the truth, because the Son has set us free indeed.

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self-reliance I'd add to the list. Also...
Impatience.
Rudeness.
Getting even.
Boasting.

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temptation is ever present. In the past, I had looked at things that were inappropriate. I repented and tryed no to do them again. I regretted it. But due to my want, lust, and sinful nature I kept going back to it. Try not to generalize too much.

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Yep there are definatly a ton of sins out there, but I've found that when we stop looking at ourselves and instead look to Jesus then a lot of those temptations begin to look small and quite frankly kinda silly (speaking from experience here)

I can look at the lists here and say yep, haha, that one yeah, I did that too... sheesh... that one as well.. ya know? lol When Jesus said he who sins is a slave to it, He really meant it! But thank God that he forgives and forgets. And what's also so awesome is that He gives us the power to stop sinning, to say NO to the temptation. And if we do happen to stumble He doesn't kick us while we're down, but He picks us up and says, okay, let's try it My way now. Praise His Name!


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"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." -Shakespeare
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"The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike."

-- C. S. Lewis (1898 - 1963), "The Poison of Subjectivism" (from Christian Reflections; p. 108)

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Shakespeare owns C.S. Lewis.
Charlotte's Web was pretty sweet though. But I get it mixed up with Animal Farm by that Orson Welles or whatever his name is. You just don't see many modern books about talking pigs. And then there was Freddy the Pig or whatever his name was. Didn't find those books too interesting, though. Anyone else know any good pig literature? Wilbur (Charlotte's Web) Vs. Napoleon (Animal Farm) - who would win in a scrap? I vote Napoleon, because if memory serves, he was a big nasty pig.
Of course, he was only nasty if you believe in good and evil.
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Shakespeare owns C.S. Lewis.

In addition to his fiction writings, C.S. Lewis also wrote books on Christian philosophy and apologetics. On a philisophical matter such as whether right or wrong exists, I would much rather trust C.S. Lewis over Shakespheare.

In any case, Lewis is correct: Freedom assumes that there is some sort of slavery that we have to free ourselves from, and that that slavery is somehow wrong. If there is no right or wrong, then there is no reason why we should want freedom, for slavery is then not wrong.

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Lewis was a brilliant thinker, and a brilliant communicator. He had a gift for making difficult concepts clear through example and analogy.

Repentance involves two factors, one from man and one from God... Man must desire.. meaning man must regret and included in true regret is the desire to change. God gives the ability. Man may regret and even desire to change but if God does not enable him, he is unable to do so. As it says of esau in the bible, he "wept with bitter tears, but found no place of repentance".

I also don't consider tattoo to be a sin. There are many things in the mosaic/levitical laws that were given for a number of different purposes, either for health, or to teach a symbolic lesson, or simply to make Israel different. Most of those reasons are no longer necessary.

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besides, That was a comment by Hamlet, who if I remember correctly, was not a moral authority in the play.
anyhow...


Animal Farm is written by George Orwell. Orson Welles did the radio broadcast for War of the World (which was written by H.G. Welles)
yes, their names are too similar...

although I haven't ready Animal Farm yet, ( I want to) I'd have to go with Napoleon. Wilbur is a wimp.

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It's been a while since I've read it. My bad on the names.
As for Hamlet... I have never read it. I just saw the quote somewhere, and stole it. It's a good one, though.
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I disagree with the content, but the quote is good.

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