GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
Sheesh, CCGR is getting flooded by a bunch of irrational idiots due to its recent negative DOOM3 review. http://www.ccgr.org/article_read.asp?id=584 Then they're all over the forums: http://www.cgalliance.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=SC;c=29 Still, one guy did have the good point that it's kind of hypocritical to dislike DOOM3 so much considering their endorsement of Eternal War. If Dan had just limited his objections to just the heavy level of gore and violence then that would have made more sense. Also, am I the ONLY one unimpressed by DOOM3's graphics? |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
haha. those fanboys... must.. get a life... kinda depressing to be all heated over someone's review of a game... to quote Johnny Depp in Pirates.. "you got a get a girl, mate." (nothing implied...) um... the reviewer wasn't impressed by the graphics.. I am.. tho I didn't play it yet.. gonna get the demo... saving my money for "Nightmares." ------------------ |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I see this as a future trend, they were also flamed on the Ninja Gaiden review that was done. I think that the hypocritical problem comes because of multiple reviewers, CCGR likes Eternal War, thus gave it a high review, but does Dan? Would he have given it a lower score? I think to solve the problem, CCGR herself should do reviews on 'high ticketed' games, like Doom 3 and what have you, it might possibily avoid that problem - course it might not. It comes down to people and what people like and play. That's why I personally never really pay much attention to review scores because that's what they like/dislike, but my tastes may be different.
quote: They didn't really wow me either, I may have been expecting too much however. ------------------ |
CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
From what I remember, DOOM3 isn't a particularly a high-polycount game, it's the highres textures and the bump mapping that are supposed to make it look good. Which means in order to get the graphics that DOOM3 truly intended, you'll have to make sure your videocard is using bumpmapping. I personally won't get it - I'm not into dark horror games, be they connected to cultish stuff or not. Most of the people saying "games don't affect anybody" have probably already been desensitized to that kind of stuff. It doesn't affect them because it's not new - they see it all the time in movies and other horror games. ------------------ Switch Mayhem now available! Get it here |
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GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
Except for the steam and several other minor effects a Geforce 2 is capable of everything DOOM3 does. Of course the per-pixel precision and speed won't be nearly as good. Not to say that id didn't do a good job optimizing from an artistic perspective but from a technical perspective I'm just not that impressed. It definitely looks "good" but not nearly as good as "this is the best graphics I've ever seen ever!" I see all over the internet. That's hype for you... BTW, when I say "optimizing" this is what I mean. You have the tool (the engine) and the artist (textures, normal maps, models, level design, etc.). Just because you have a bad engine doesn't mean your game can't look good. Also, just because you have a good engine doesn't mean your game will look good (see Daikatana for an example of that). |
zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
part of journalism is being flamed every now and then----We can't really expect CCGR to rate every game on the same scale unless the same person reviews every game---fat chance of that--but yeah like Mack I tend to ignore reviews---------------basically it comes down to what you want to play and what you don't ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I hardly ever pay attention to a review's opinion. all I want to see is the content of the game. I also ignore whatever they say how violent it is. lol. took a better look at the graphics.. your right, they're not "OMG! My life has changed forever!" ------------------ |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
quote: hallelujia my brother. that is all I have to say. ------------------ |
Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
quote: Yeah totally, amen to that! And about all the flamers... it's kinda funny, cause I'm wondering what type of review they were expecting. ------------------ "So many laughing at Jesus," |
bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
i would expect a CHRISTian to review the game badly, at least as far as whether you should play it or not. personally i've never been much on the doom games except when i was a kid. whoever reviewed it was talking about upside down crosses with people nailed to them, CHRISTians should never enjoy a game with that in it, it should bother them the whole time. my opinion on the graphics is pretty simple. i think at best there at par with other games coming out now. anywho, that's my two cents. ------------------ |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
quote: man awesome quote, says in few words what would have taken me pages to say. Most of us christians even are very desensitised by our culture, and we don't grab our morals so much from a biblical standard, but rather by our own christian cultures standard (i.e sexual fantasy/sin is wrong (unless you are a 'tradional' style church that has accepted homosexual pastors and the like - (again our 'church cultural' standards ratehr than biblical standard), while a large section of 'christian culture' thinks enjoying violence is acceptable and not sinful at all. ------------------ |
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d000hg Member Posts: 144 From: Durham, UK Registered: 07-27-2004 |
Not played the game but in the context of this site I'd expect a lot of flak for its content and storyline. I'd also expect a pretty black/white split between those condemning it as completely evil and deplorable, and those agreeing that the content is bad but that it can be taken in parody. Am I right here? |
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CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
quote: Yeah, especially from a Christian review? What did they expect them to say - that the pentagrams looked cool? Gimme a break. Of course it got major points knocked off because of them.
quote: Yeah. It's pretty hard to write a review that's not going to make one group or the other go off, especially in a game as anticipated as Doom 3. There's going to be people on both sides of the issue. ------------------ Switch Mayhem now available! Get it here |
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nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
Some people just like to whinge and will do it whenever the opportunity suits them. |
en972 Member Posts: 562 From: NOT TELLING! Registered: 08-27-2004 |
Whew, man, Its just a game, sheesh. ------------------ |
Rooth Junior Member Posts: 5 From: Finland Registered: 09-14-2004 |
Now I would like to comment GENERALLY (not especially about this review)! * Itīs sure that those reviews CAN be a little different as they view a game from a MORAL or CHRISTIAN aspects that normal reviews donīt do! * But that said, christian sites can loose their credibility by having a too "narrowminded", untrue, extreemly subjective view on something. I have read MANY reviews on sites that I just canīt agree to for 1%. Iīm a christian, playing many secular games, and many of them are really cool. In some I donīt like if they have satanic symbols and stuff... * Now if we have a christian 2D Bible puzzle game, with a maximum resolution of 300 * 200 in 16 colors, and that getīs an AWESOME GAME FOR TEENAGERS rating while a FAR CRY getīs a review of BAD GRAPHICS, BAD GAMEPLAY, NEARLY A NAKED MAN, DEMON LIKE ENEMIES - should be thrown away!!!! * This is not just a christian problem... in my country we have a game show on TV (THAT IS SPONSORED BY A CONSOLE PRODUCER), now when a PC game is reviewed it getīs from 6-8 (no matter what DOOM3, or "4" should be shown). At the same time a LOWRES 2D like game getīs 8-10 if itīs made for this particular console! I would hope that christians should be FAIR, HONEST and make reviews that makes our credibility increase... why not "admit" that Doom3 has graphics 10/10 (as I donīt know of any better today!), but one could point out that there are some aspect that they donīt like. This way the last comment would be taken more seriously! |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
do you mind if I post this on CCGR? ------------------ |
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GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
They do user reviews on CCGR, with a couple staff reviews here and there, thus the reviews as a whole represent a diverse selection of opinions on games. Just on CCGR alone there are people who would refuse to play some games like DOOM3 based upon violent content... then there is Zookey who, as an example, loves that Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie (I don't). I will admit I started to grin evilly when I first got the chainsaw on DOOM3. |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
what Gump says is true. Almost any member on the forum can post a review. As long as it passes the staff, it get's posted. alot of these people can be very young also.
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bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
chainsaw? i kinda like the double barrel shotgun on quake3 myself...'specially with quad damage...anywho...getting off subject. ------------------ www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia |
HeardTheWord Member Posts: 224 From: Des Moines, IA Registered: 08-16-2004 |
I have read the dove reviews and found that I somewhat disagree with them. I realize that a Christian game is what they are looking for but I think if the christian label was taken off of them they would be review different. They seem to overate the secular games and underrate the christian games. I realize that a puzzle game is not going to have violence but I played the demo to Eternal Wars and found that it was quite violent. Even though there was no blood shed they was still the scream when they died and they fell as if they were in extreme pain. I liked the game but I don't know if I would let a 7 year old play it. Sometimes I think ratings are skewed because of what side they are on. I hope every game is really thought about and with an open mind. |
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GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
Eternal War is definitely not something we recommend for children who have not reached the maturity level to differentiate between reality and fantasy. Even for some 12-14 it might be a bit too scary. Our target audience was the hardcore gamer (with the biggest consumers being mainly of the ages 18-35). |
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Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
quote: When you look in the dictionary under 'violence' one of the first things described is "Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing" so in an example case of Tetris your "destroying" the blocks, or in Mario your "killing" the Goombas/Koopa Troopers/etc. by stomping on them. Each game can/does have it's own form of violence and I have no problem with violence as long as it isn't glorified. The violence in the two games I mentioned above have a purpose and aren't glorified (no blood, gore, etc.). While in most FPS games blood/gore just serves the purpose to satisfy a persons bloodlust/carnage. In titles like Solider of Fortune, Manhunt, etc. the gore serves no purpose and I think its a waste of resources putting in those features. This is mostly a personal view point (as it varies from person to person). I'm not denying that Eternal War has violence (its probably one of the most violent Christian games right now I guess), but I feel that it's style of violence isn't on the same wavelength as other games. From the exorcisms Ive seen/heard/read demons normally vocally/physically express their pain when dealt a blow from God or a weapon forged by God. We didnt put it in just because its cool to hear screams when we blow them away.
quote: Thats fine, as Gump mentioned, the title isnt intended for children.
quote: I would have to agree, but this again depends on the reviewers taste (what they like/dislike skews a lot of reviewers views). I think that Eternal War: Shadows of Light opened a can of worms when it came to this. The content of EWSOL forced them to be more careful with reviewing; yes the game has dark subject matter but its message is strong and directive. I hope our future titles will continue to challenge them and players. ------------------ |
