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MAGNA MAN Junior Member Posts: 3 From: Registered: 11-23-2001 |
Some Video Games Take Sleazy Turn By AFA Journal
An article in CNN/Money highlighted a growing trend within the video game industry to add sleaze. For example, one game features Playboy models who strip, while another contains full frontal nudity and sex between characters -- with same-sex versions for those who prefer it. According to Cyberlore, developer of Playboy: The Mansion -- which is billed as an "empire-building" game -- players get to "share the mystic" of Hugh Hefner's mansion, "score hot celebrity interviews," and arrange "sexy photo shoots." In addition, players are rewarded for "living the good life, having a positive sexual attitude, and promoting tolerance and individual freedom." With an abundance of pornography already available to Americans in virtually every form imaginable, it might seem to be futile to complain about such video games. However, industry analysts are watching to see how such games are rated -- which might have a bearing on whether or not children could rent or purchase them. The Electronic Software Rating Board (ESRB) determines the ratings for video games. The ESRB rates some games "M (Mature," which is generally understood to be the equivalent of an R-rating for movies. But an "AO (Adults Only)" rating is also available for games, and CNN/Money said most retailers will simply not carry a game with that rating. The question is, what sort of rating will the ESRB give games with sex and nudity? "We've been working really closely with the ESRB from day one," said Jay Adan, marketing director for Cyberlore. "Everyone knows what the limits are for violence because everyone has pushed that envelope. But no one knows where the limits are for sex and nudity." The question is not simply academic. Some retailers, like Wal-Mart, will not carry games with AO rating but will carry some rated M. So what happens if Wal-Mart has the opportunity to carry an M-rated game that contains nudity and sexual situations? CNN/Money asked the retailer. "Business is a series of judgment calls and we offer what we think our customers want to buy," answered Wal-Mart spokeswoman Karen Burk. "They will let us know if we've hit the mark. It's really that simple." That is, if parents know what's coming. At press time, the ESRB rating for Playboy: The Mansion was pending. It is slated for release this fall. We must Notify the Parents and Christians of America to protest against this game, We already have too much porn in America today and We don't need more. Its up to the parents and christians to stop this, and we must give them the message so that they can fight back. Steve |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
not surprised at all. as long as you don't use the government, Take her down! ------------------ |
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MAGNA MAN Junior Member Posts: 3 From: Registered: 11-23-2001 |
Amen, my brother.It's time that we say "Enough is Enough". |
silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
I hate to be green about the ears, but am I missing something. People who bare themselves get cash for doing so. Thus baring themselves again and again to gain more cash. If digital technology is good enough to create a perfect body for SAD men why not let it do so? ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
are you saying it's okay to lust after a digital model? ------------------ |
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silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
no, not at all. what I am saying is would you prefer your daughter or a graphic be lured into the porn industry? ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
hmmmm.. how about none. if you know anything about porn, it's not going to stop. someone on porn doesn't settle for a little, he craves more and more. there is no limit to the hunger. something like this will only feed the industry, not shift it. [This message has been edited by ArchAngel (edited August 04, 2004).] |
Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Yeah I don't think that there is any way that a game like that being released can bring about anything good. They wouldn't stop there. They'd probably have it on PC's, Consoles, Cell Phones, can you imagine it? I'd hate to walk into Wal-mart or Best Buy and see something like that on the shelves. Actually I believe that with God, that this digital game is just as bad as the real stuff. ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I wouldn't say just as bad. but bad. but, of course, I'm a person who believes sin has degrees, that some are more offensive to God than others. ------------------ |
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MAGNA MAN Junior Member Posts: 3 From: Registered: 11-23-2001 |
It's not only harmfull to Men, but to Women and Children too It's also harmful{mentally,physicaly and spiritualy} to those Who participate in it. [This message has been edited by MAGNA MAN (edited August 04, 2004).] |
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Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
quote: I agree. I guess that what I meant was that both are enough to seperate the person doing them from God. But yeah some sins are abominations to God. ------------------ "So many laughing at Jesus," [This message has been edited by brandon (edited August 05, 2004).] |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
k, I read you. well, all sins are abominations to God. and yes, Porn hurts more than just those who do it. ------------------ |
Briant Member Posts: 742 From: Stony Plain, Alberta, Canada Registered: 01-20-2001 |
For those of you old enough to remember the original "Leisure Suit Larry" from the '80s, I see they've resurrected Larry into a 3D sperm-generating college-age sex maniac. You're supposed to be 17 to even access the official website.    ------------------ |
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silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
Porn is a huge issue, and I firmly believe that 100% of people on this website would be totally disgusted by it, like myself. It really annoys me when I mention to non webwise people that I enjoy going online, they reply "we know what attracts you"(suggestively). Why do people associate the internet with porn?
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silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
That last post was off topic a little bit as video games and the w3 are different tools, but I just needed to point it out. My point of view: 1 Games should be treated as severely as alcohol. ie if a game is rated 18+ then a shop should be prosecuted if they sell a game to someone under that age. 2 Parents should be taught why a game could be disturbing to their children to avoid them buying it for them. 3 I would rather a person that enjoyed seeing porn enjoyed a game with porn in it for 2 hours than studied a magazine with perhaps 20 real women in it. 4 Only the top pornstars earn the big bucks. The others are forced into it by drugs, attention seeking or poverty. If we can carry on trying to eliminate poverty and drugs women will no longer choose to go into the industry. ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
quote: not really. no. There will always be a supply if there is a demand. If people want porn, some people will supply it. It's the sin you have to kill. Thank God He exists, cuz we'd be serioulsy screwed.
quote: it isn't like that. it's more of... playing 2 hours of the game, then study the magazine. there is no lesser of two evils with porn. it's not a fork in the road, it's a downward spiral.
quote: interesting. ignorance never made people look good. ------------------ |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
quote: probably because more than 30% of the web traffic worldwide is for porn.
quote: sin is sin, that is kind of saying you'd rather people abort/kill their own babies than to say kill other people's 5 year olds.. besides virtualised can be more dangerous, because the biggest problem with porn, is not the reality of it, but the FANTASY. and a 'well made' computer game could probably present a more attractrive interactive experience than a magazine, best thing to do is have no porn, and for christians to get involved in it all (i don't neccisarily mean petitioning the govt or industry, but rather know that we fight not against flesh and blood, and petition God and fight in the spirit realm in our prayer closets, and watch God cleanse the land, bring judgement , and rightouesness (first by submitting ourselves to his purification so the rightouesness starts through us). ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
Right on Klumsy. ------------------ |
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graceworks Member Posts: 455 From: Corvallis, Oregon, USA Registered: 03-03-2001 |
When it ships - if you see it in any store, pick it up and take it to a manager. Politely inform them that you will not spend another penny in their store as long as this title (and similar - Leisure Suit Larry, BMX XXX, etc.) are on their shelves. If they say "where are you going to buy your games then?" - you can respond with Christianbook.com or similar or that you can abstain for a long time (do not respond with amazon or other places that also sell this crap). Further, go to ESRB and demand that they actually give an Adults Only rating for once - the nudity and sex mentioned here more than qualifies it. Lastly, pray that God uses this as a catalyst for parents to seek better entertainment choices for their children AND that the parents stay involved. God bless, ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
tell him: " oh. what a concept! another place that sells computer games! who knew! listen up, son. this is america, not some commie ghetto your used to. if we don't like something, we won't by from you. if you left your little office, you'd find that they're are millions of places that sell computer games. I can find one that's better than your little porn shop. tell you what. I'm gonna start a boycott. and... I'm a very influential man. when I say jump, they say "how high?" so you got it? we can do this the easy way, or the hard way." oh and by the way, make sure he's sitting in a chair in a dark room with a swinging light right over his head. okay. no, don't do it my way. do it's gracework's. ------------------ |
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silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
""sin is sin, that is kind of saying you'd rather people abort/kill their own babies than to say kill other people's 5 year olds.."" That comment is really unfair Klumsy, you must have misunderstood what I was saying. I believe that porn is bad in any way, shape or form. For us Christians it must be lethal. I would not condone porn in any way. However, there are people out there that enjoy porn and I would rather they enjoyed made up porn than the real thing. ""not really. no. There will always be a supply if there is a demand. If people want porn, some people will supply it. It's the sin you have to kill. Thank God He exists, cuz we'd be serioulsy screwed."" Archangel, Thankyou for supporting my arguement. ------------------ |
bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
porn in any shape form or fashion is wrong. it will mess your head up when it comes to a lot of things, especially relationships with the opposite(spelling?) sex. i know from experience the things it does, and i'm not proud of that. i also know that softcore(playboy type stuff) can turn into hardcore(xxx rating), and worse and worse. if you use IRC you can find anything, legal or not. it's the same thing as crack/cocaine, or any other drug. it's sin. it makes the emptiness go away for a few moments, then it leaves you emptier and craving more. and like crack/cocaine, once you've started you hooked. unless CHRIST sets your free, but then like every other addiction, you'll be fighting with it the rest of your life. i speak from experience. anywho, JESUS is the answer. ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I mean, I said this before, but you never addressed it. porn is never satisfied. you cannot direct it. the more you feed it, the bigger it becomes and the deeper it goes. there really isn't too much of a limit on the porn industry. people will always want more. you can't subsitute porn. a VR porn or hentai won't turn people's attention away from live porn. it'll just increase the appetite. people can't become full on porn. and as Benny said, one thing will lead to another. and, that porn is wrong. period. I also do not like choosing the lesser of two evils. tho, my point above is to show you the result of trying to chose the lesser of two evils. ------------------ |
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silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
""it isn't like that. it's more of... playing 2 hours of the game, then study the magazine. there is no lesser of two evils with porn. it's not a fork in the road, it's a downward spiral.""-Archangel I totally agree with you! I do not advocate porn at all. But until we manage to convert 100% of the population, fictional porn is better. Better for Pornstars, better for their families and better for their children(as some pornstars just want to make extra for their kids). It is a downward spiral but until they have been saved we cannot help them. Unless we are able to minister to them. ------------------ |
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silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
PS graceworks, BMXXXX didn't sell very well at all, which is great. I cannot believe that it came from the same studio as Dave Mirra. My son wanted the follow up but there was no way that I would have such a title in my house. ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I know it's better fictional than actual. but we aren't given that choice. just to make this clear, I'm not saying your for fictional porn, I know you hate it just as I. ------------------ |
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silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
""I know it's better fictional than actual. but we aren't given that choice.""-Archangel We WERE given the choice, as proved time and time again in the bible. Some people who I don't agree with choose porn in any way shape or form. It IS better that they prefer digital porn. ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
there is no preference tho. they are together. people flow back and forth between the two. fictional porn isn't taking a market away from the real life porn. all it is doing is feeding that market. the only choice I see is for porn or against it. ------------------ |
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graceworks Member Posts: 455 From: Corvallis, Oregon, USA Registered: 03-03-2001 |
quote: That is good news. Now for bad news ... that didn't stop other studios from following in their footsteps. Two in the radar that I've read in the gaming magazines: Dear Lord - save us all .... quickly. -Tim ------------------ |
