GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
Judge rules Islamic education OK in California classrooms Dismisses suit opposing requirement students recite Quran, pray to Allah --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Requiring seventh-grade students to pretend they're Muslims, wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Quran, pray to Allah and even to play "jihad games" in California public schools has been legally upheld by a federal judge, who has dismissed a highly publicized lawsuit brought by several Christian students and their parents. As WND reported in July of last year, the suit was filed by the Thomas More Law Center against the Byron Union School District and various school officials to stop the use of the "Islam simulation" materials and methods used in the Excelsior Elementary School in Byron, Calif. In her 22-page ruling announced Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton said Excelsior is not indoctrinating students about Islam when it requires them to adopt Muslim names and pray to Allah as part of a history and geography class, but rather is just teaching them about the Muslim religion. When WorldNetDaily first reported the story in January 2002 – shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks committed by 19 Islamist terrorists – major controversy ensued nationwide. The World History and Geography class in question is part of a curriculum being taught to seventh-graders all over the state, and is included in the state's curriculum standards required by the state board of education. Although the standards outline what subjects should be taught and will be included in state assessment tests, they don't mandate how they're to be taught. In the three-week course, Excelsior teacher Brooke Carlin had students assume Islamic names, recite prayers in class, memorize and recite verses from the Quran, and had them simulate Ramadan fasting by going without something for a day. The final test required students to critique Muslim culture.
Nevertheless, the judge ruled the program was devoid of "any devotional or religious intent," and as therefore educational, not religious in nature. 'Double standard' decried However, Richard Thompson, chief counsel for Thomas More, points to what he calls an obvious double standard. "While public schools prohibit Christian students from reading the Bible, praying, displaying the Ten Commandments, and even mentioning the word 'God,' students in California are being indoctrinated into the religion of Islam," he told WND on filing the lawsuit. "Public schools would never tolerate teaching Christianity in this way. Just imagine the ACLU’s outcry if students were told that they had to pray the Lord's Prayer, memorize the Ten Commandments, use such phrases as 'Jesus is the Messiah,' and fast during Lent," he added.
Appealing to the 9th Circuit? Yesterday, Thompson told WND that his legal team believed from the start that, regardless of who won the first round, this case would go to appeal – and that is exactly where he wants it to go. With some irony, Thompson points out that the appeal would go to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. "This is the court that said, in the 'Under God' Pledge case, that the mere _expression 'One nation under God' [recited in a public school] violates the Constitution," said Thompson. "It will be very interesting to see how they deal with this Byron School District case where students are basically required to become Muslims for three weeks!" While the Thomas More Law Center is intent on appealing the case, it is awaiting word from the plaintiffs as to their intent. |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
Well of course... double standard is the very nature of Liberals, and we have lots of them here in CA. They say they're anti-racist, but they discrimanate according to race. they say they're supporting women, but they keep trying to make them like men (what's up with THAT?!?!) They say you have the freedom of religion, but they can't stop making laws restricting it. They say they want people to have freedom, but they keep taking it away. They really don't care about the constiution. all they care about is not being "offended." okay, I'll stop ranting... for now... I have lots more too... |
CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
Do the words "Double standard" mean anything? If I could, I'd have one question to ask: "What's so different that Islam is allowed, but Christianity isn't?" ------------------ |
zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
they say they're supporting women, but they keep trying to make them like men ------------------ I am one of those people who think there is no such thing as a weaker sex---I have met so many women that can lift stuff and do every thing that guys can--and I would prefer to have a Girlfriend just as strong as me instead of a 'I want you I need you oh baby oh baby'=====but one thing I think is stupid is that they have 'crisis centers' for women with kids, but my mom has worked in the group home system for years, and there are so many situations where the wife is the abuser of the kids and the husband is afraid to do anything because everyone would call him weak---------that is what I think is stupid they should have family crisis centers so that family problems can be solved without sexual bias heheh ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I don't like the term "weaker" sex, but when it comes to physical strength, women can't go as high as men. I'm not being sexist, but men can build up pretty big arms, but women, impossible without steriods. Men are also built with larger shoulders. We generally weigh more and are usually taller. Given there are alot of men out there who don't work out, but men can be much stronger, as in maximum weight and stuff. however, women can get very toned... did you see how long those moms can hold their babys?!? k, given that some women are stronger than some men. But saying they are JUST AS capable, i think, is not true. however, physical strength is not everything, obviously. there is also mental strength, spiritual strength,etc. also,women have more neural connections between their two hemispheres. not exactly sure what that does... they just do. let's face it, women and men are different; equal, but different. it's stupid to say they are the same. haven't seen a man that can have a baby yet. P.s. so why did that husband just let her abuse them? what's up with that? P.P.S and no, I am sexist in no way... I love women! (as you can tell... I'm very straight also) |
zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
P.s. so why did that husband just let her abuse them? what's up with that?
I don't think Muscle size is all it is hyped up to be==I know this girl that looks weak physically, but she packs 90 pound boxes like it is no ones business------I really think that physically, men and women are capable of the same stuff as far as lifting and any strong jobs go----there is more mind than muscle in anything---I have met too many girls who break the mold on that (and they dont work out---they just don't allow social stereotyping to limit their ability and potential) to think they are weaker physically-=====I think if you have a strong personality, it doesn't matter if you work out or not your whole body will act accordingly and you will be able to do things most people cant ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
? there are plenty of girls stronger than guys.. sooo.. sure, mind does play a role, but let's be factual. arm size is essential. and no... you're body won't act accordingly. the mind does influence, but not that much. besides, if you exert yourself too much without proper excerise, you can seriously hurt yourself. weight trainers know this. picking up and tossing around 90 pound boxes? not bad, pretty impressive. also, those abused men should put a stop to it... their responisbility. don't wanna be called weak, don't be. do something. just don't sit down and close your eyes. [This message has been edited by ArchAngel (edited December 16, 2003).] |