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Curry
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How about some software on the subjects of the 10 commandments and the definition of marriage?

These issues are raging, looks like now is a good time....Has anyone else been thinking about doing something on these kinds of issues?

(Or anybody thinking about supporting them in some other way?)

Curry

Rainman

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I personally try to take issue with the things you are suggesting by joining OneMillionDads.com or OneMillionMoms.com or OneMillionSingles.com or OneMillionYouth.com - whichever category you may fall under!
Curry
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Rainman, that's great!

I was also thinking about the 10 commandments as in the effort to remove them and all other religious texts from public places, but as far as the media aspect, wow, those are good sites and campaigns. I have always loved AFA.

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Rainman

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Glad to hear that you like AFA! You should also be able to sign up for a newsletter from AFA that gives you information on how you can take a stand for such things as saving the 10 Commandments from being removed and other things contrary to the Christian faith. You should be able to go to www.afa.net and get the information. Sorry, if I'm deviating from your original post in this forum, but I definitely believe that it is time for Christians all over the United States to join with one voice and take a stand against the decline in values that our country was founded upon.
Curry
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I agree with you--we have to do something about these issues unless we want the country to go down the drain!

Besides petitions and such, since we're programmers, I was also wondering if anyone considers doing software or games on this kind of issue.

Curry

c h i e f y

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quote:
Originally posted by Rainman:
I personally try to take issue with the things you are suggesting by joining OneMillionDads.com or OneMillionMoms.com or OneMillionSingles.com or OneMillionYouth.com - whichever category you may fall under!


Rainman squire I looked at your www.onemilliondads.com
amazing organisation, if you sign up you must participate in one campaign a week

usually by sending a letter/e-mail to their chosen target of the week e,g a tv company, a presenter, a company

Rainman if you are a member of one of these million.coms please quote a few examples of their recent "targets" e.g "CBS" "CNN" and the theme of the letter

just interested to see what they're doing

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Rainman

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Hey Chiefy,

If you sign up, it is still optional if you participate. It is obviously more effective you participate also. They send you an email letting you know what the issue is for that week. The primary goal of onemillion???.com is to clean up the junk on television. Most of the issues that we have combatted have been successful - some are a failure. You can see the list of victories at http://www.onemilliondads.com/Victories.html.

The vast majority of "targets" have been television shows which feature homosexual themes, or sexual themes (unwholesome), or any theme which is contrary to Christianity. We had a show on TV that was called Paradise Hotel which was full of smut (boyfriend, girlfriend, sleep around) issues. As a member, we target the advertisers of a program and try to persuade them not to sponsor a program (which is their choice, by the way) thus the program has to be removed since it cannot be supported. I have been shocked more than anything because many of the advertisers are not aware that they are even airing their commercials during these shows. Many companies have changed their attitudes when they found out. I have noticed that some of these shows do not get renewed when the season is over. We are taking a stand and it is working!

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The onemilliondads site is a good idea. There is no point in joining it if you live in the UK though. Imagine showing "saving private ryan" at primetime. That is obviousely out of order. Although our children need to know about the sacrifices our grandfathers had to make, they don't need to know in such a graphic way.
Television is one of the biggest reasons why there is so much crime in the west. Children are immune to violence at an earlier age than ever before and it is common place to see scenes of a sexual nature before the watershed.

PS who chooses the campaigns?

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Rainman

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quote:
Originally posted by Silicon_Chippy:
There is no point in joining it if you live in the UK though.

My thought is that anyone can start this type of campaign in their own country if they get fed up with the television industry and have similar rules about sponsors and such. I guess the rules could be different and still have a great impact on the market!

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Television is one of the biggest reasons why there is so much crime in the west. Children are immune to violence at an earlier age than ever before and it is common place to see scenes of a sexual nature before the watershed.

Couldn't agree more!

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PS who chooses the campaigns?

It is a 50/50 partnership between the AFA and all of its subscribers. Obviously, AFA cannot see all of the commercials all of the time, therefore, if a commercial or other anti-Christian media (such as the porno boxes in the hotels) are found, then they report to AFA and they have the option to target that "advertiser".

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silicon_chippy

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Rainman,

We are lucky in the UK that our television companies are more responsible than in the US. From what I can make out, anything goes in the U S of A. There was a woman that campaigned tirelessly for standards called "Mary Whitehouse ". She made sure that bad programs were not shown again.
Although terestrial TV is OK, I think satelite could break the boundaries more. However, I have never wasted my money on satelite so I couldn't be sure.

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I would not say TV is responsible for the degradation. People are. It is stupid to say TV is. It doesn't just control us, we let it.

yeah, and also Korea strictly controls it's broadcasts. But it's movies... pieces of crap. nothing but sex and violence. much worse than our movies. much.

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Rainman

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ArchAngel,

You make a very valid point. We as people are always wanting to blame someone or something else for the problems when it's us causing it to begin with. You ever heard the saying, "When you point a finger at someone else, you have 4 pointing back!"? One thing I'm learning a lot right now is to just 'fess up! If we are to be what God wants us to be, we must be honest and confess our faults when we are the problem.

ArchAngel

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quote:
Originally posted by Rainman:
"When you point a finger at someone else, you have 4 pointing back"

hmmm, that's pretty cool analogy.
scept for me, it's 3 pointing back and one going off in a crazy direction, hitting some unknown target.

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Curry
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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:
I would not say TV is responsible for the degradation. People are. It is stupid to say TV is. It doesn't just control us, we let it.

Also, we don't control the TV. In the past, churches had more influence on what went into movies at least. I like the million-X thing because that's what we have to do, not just decide to turn it off or not for ourselves, but actually try to make it better for everyone.

Curry

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:
I would not say TV is responsible for the degradation. People are. It is stupid to say TV is. It doesn't just control us, we let it.


Yeh that remote does have an on/off button.

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ArchAngel

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quote:
Originally posted by D-SIPL:

Yeh that remote does have an on/off button.


Does it really?!? and I had to get out of my chair to turn off the TV!
haha, just kidding.. k, fine. it was dumb. hey! give me a break, it's late here!

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:

Does it really?!? and I had to get out of my chair to turn off the TV!
haha, just kidding.. k, fine. it was dumb. hey! give me a break, it's late here!




No coz it's 10:44am here

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ArchAngel

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yeah, well, 2:46 am here!

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Christian
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I just watched an episode of 'The Awful Truth' where Michael Moore was chasing politicians who were trying to get the 10 commandments put up in schools and so on. I dislike his tendency to make fun of Christian beliefs, obviously, but politically I think he makes a lot of sense. In any case, I then see that there is some fuss about the 10 commandments being in some statue in the US ? What's up with that ? Why does the US 'christian' community strain at gnats while swallowing camels ? Does anyone out there realise that the law in your face ( as opposed your heart ) is the OT way ? I'm very interested to hear the US perspective on all this, because from what the media is telling me, it just looks dumb.
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well, hmm, spiritually, this nation was founded on Christian priniciples, and morality is defined by God. There is no constitutional violation of having the 10 commandments.

also, politically, it's a matter of state power vs. federal power. a State supreme judge says it's fine, whereas a federal junkie judge says it's not.

Also, I hope that Michael Moore catches a sever case of influenza and pukes on himself when on live TV. (don't look into what I just said)

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Christian
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>>well, hmm, spiritually, this nation was founded on Christian priniciples,

Perhaps, but it is FAR from them now. Why be hypocritical and display something you can't follow ? Michael Moore showed this, he went to people who campaigned for the public display of the commandments, and asked them to name some. They couldn't.

>>and morality is defined by God. There is no constitutional violation of having the 10 commandments.'

That's not really the point though. the point as I see it is that the commandments themselves, and the idea of displaying them, are ideas more at home with the OT than the Gospel of Christ. How about focusing instead of raising children to have those values, instead of just worrying about if they're written on a wall ?

>>also, politically, it's a matter of state power vs. federal power. a State supreme judge says it's fine, whereas a federal junkie judge says it's not.

Well, that's the side I don't know anything about. So it's a dispute between state and federal authorities ?

>>Also, I hope that Michael Moore catches a sever case of influenza and pukes on himself when on live TV. (don't look into what I just said)

I guess most people either love him or hate him. I think he often says things that are good, but at other times depends on his audience buying into whatever he decides to say. :0)

ArchAngel

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quote:
Originally posted by Christian:
>>Perhaps, but it is FAR from them now.

It's not actually that far. it may sound sad, but we're ahead of alot of other nations. Some people care less about God and doing what's right, some on are fire for Him. America, to me atleast, is still a christian, though becoming humanist, nation.

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Well, that's the side I don't know anything about. So it's a dispute between state and federal authorities ?

yeah. it's also a violation of the constitution. basically, in the 9th amendment, states retain the rights that were not declared for federal gov. and seperation of church and state is no where in the constitution, it's in a letter by thomas jefferson to a group of anabaptists. (thomas jefferson was not part of draw up the constitution)

that's pretty much the real serious thing, tho I personally like the idea of the 10 commandments in the court room. it's a symbolism of God's law. something that those stupid liberals can't get away from. tough luck to them, America was founded on Christianity.

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I think he often says things that are good, but at other times depends on his audience buying into whatever he decides to say. :0)

uh, how about NOT! The guy's a fathead! He can't shut up about his idiot views. (you can tell I don't care for him much, eh?)

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Christian
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>>uh, how about NOT! The guy's a fathead! He can't shut up about his idiot views. (you can tell I don't care for him much, eh?)

I think it's really important for Christians to distinguish between the things that matter enough to pursue, and the things we can disagree on, and seek not to cause offence over. So I won't comment further on this subject. :0)

ArchAngel

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you have a point.
all abortionist should catch on fire. they don't need to die, but feel a fraction of the pain they caused so many children.

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Psyco

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Is an abortionist like a cartoonist? Because there the ones programming the childrens minds of today, tommorow.

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quote:
Originally posted by Psyco:
Is an abortionist like a cartoonist? Because there the ones programming the childrens minds of today, tommorow.

Abortionist: One who performs abortions.
Abortion: Termination of pregnancy and expulsion of an embryo or of a fetus.

ArchAngel

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quote:
Originally posted by Mack:
Abortion: Termination of pregnancy and expulsion of an embryo or of a fetus.

To be more blunt, killing a unborn kid.

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Psyco

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Why blame the abortionists and not the people that have the abortions?

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ArchAngel

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for one, they kill a whole bunch of people. secondly, many people who have abortions are misinformed, saying the child is a frigg'n "tissue."

But you have a point, both the abortionist and those having the abortion have bloody hands. they are guilty. or as the OT would say, the blood is on their heads.

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Christian
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>> all abortionist should catch on fire. they don't need to die, but feel a fraction of the pain they caused so many children.

Ah, it was you. I've started another thread on this broadly, but I just want to say that given how many abortion doctors have been killed by so called Christians, I don't think that's a helpful thing to say. Do you think Christ would want these people to suffer ? It gets back to what I was trying to say - we're not living under the law. It's not an eye for an eye, but turn the other cheek. It's not a list of rules, but Love the Lord with all your heart, and your neighbour as yourself.

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yeah, I just posted on that topic...
I know, I will admit, killing an abortion doctor is murder, but I can understand why they are doing it... almost like killing hitler.
But that's not what we are called to do, I know.


but, they kill little children!!! how bout this, they should have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea unless they turn and repent? k, fine, I am currently going through this huge anger thing against them.

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Psyco

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Noone desurves to be murdered for the sins they do. And noone deserves to burn in hell for all eternity (not even hitler). I would trade my place in Heaven (if I have one) with anyone in hell.

edited: should make less sense now.

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ArchAngel

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quote:
Originally posted by Psyco:
Noone desurves to be murdered for what ever sins they did or doing, though they should be stoped. And noone deserves to burn in hell for all eternity (not even hitler). I would trade my place in Heaven (if I have one) with anyone in hell.


wow, okay.. you lost me from, like, the beginning...

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Psyco

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Bleh I do that sometimes

Just ignore it and youll be fine.

or you could...run away!

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quote:
Originally posted by Psyco:
Noone desurves to be murdered for what ever sins they did or doing, though they should be stoped. And noone deserves to burn in hell for all eternity (not even hitler). I would trade my place in Heaven (if I have one) with anyone in hell.

It's true that we shouldn't make the choice to murder someone (in cold blood) no matter how evil they are - unless directed by God (see: nation of Isreal in the Old Tes.). I'm sure that alot of people would agree that they would kill to defend thier loved ones/family if need be however - but that's different (self defense/preservation). If your a Christian you do have a place in Heaven - however you do have the choice to discard it. Everyone deserves to burn in hell for eternity (which actually they don't - after Revelation everyone gets tossed into the Lake of Fire for eternity) if they make that choice to do so and the emotional dramatic whim of trading your place in Heaven for one in hell is illogical. When you think about it you wouldn't do that ever. /superblunt-2:30am

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but, they kill little children!!! how bout this, they should have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea unless they turn and repent? k, fine, I am currently going through this huge anger thing against them.

Hate the sin and not the sinner, they succumb because they're in the Kingdom of Darkness and they believe what they are doing is fine. They are not the ones to be abused but the ones to be saved. The children are in Heaven, the mother unfortunately is mentally scared for life for the choice she made (another to be saved). I agree that it's not the choice of the person - you have sex you live with the outcome of the choice. If you can't support the child then place them so they can get adopted.

If it's alright with everyone, lets get back on topic:

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How about some software on the subjects of the 10 commandments and the definition of marriage?

OzMan has started a discussion on the abortion issue here:
http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum2&topic=000301

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Psyco

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Oh a lake of fire.
I dont get how they say God is loving and forgiving but there is a hell. One of the many hipocritical parts of the bible.

Just doesnt seem right.

(Oh and with me making a game called Dark afterlife )
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quote:
Originally posted by Psyco:
Oh a lake of fire.
I dont get how they say God is loving and forgiving but there is a hell. One of the many hipocritical parts of the bible.

Just doesnt seem right.

(Oh and with me making a game called Dark afterlife )


Yeh but how is he supposed to forgive you if you don't ask for it!!!!
We all deserve to burn in hell, but God is merciful and offers us a way out.

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Oh and please don't ever say the very Word of God is hypocritical i found that really really offensive. Your saying God is a hypocrit and your treading on very fragile ground there.

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Psyco

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My bad ill try not to walk on the coals again.

But I did remember something about some of the areas of the bible not being translate properly (nothing big).

"It is harder for a rich man to get in heaven than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle"

Though "camel" origonally ment "thick piece of rope", which then the sentence makes much more sence.

Anyway I heard that somewhere dont know if its true.


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Psyco

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quote:
Yeh but how is he supposed to forgive you if you don't ask for it!!!!

What about those who are ignorant of God. Those who belive in other religions should be burned too? (that wasnt how I was tought(sp?)).

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Originally posted by Psyco:
What about those who are ignorant of God. Those who belive in other religions should be burned too? (that wasnt how I was tought(sp?)).


Then pray that God will soften there hearts. None of us deserve to go to hevean (we all deserve to burn), but God is merciful and offers us away out of it. I believe that everyone gets a chance to do this at least once in our lives, thats why i believe it is really important that we don't forget to share the gospel with people. Everyone needs to hear the gospel.

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quote:
Originally posted by Psyco:
Why blame the abortionists and not the people that have the abortions?


Pardon my jumping in, but isn't a fair analogy:
Why blame the drug dealers and not the drug users?

If it is a fair analogy, then both are at blame. However, one might argue (from a numbers point), that the person having an abortion has "only" killed once, and the abortionist not only has done it many times, but makes money off of it!

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quote:
Mack:
Hate the sin and not the sinner

true, very true. or, another way to put it.. Hate the game, not the playa. (gangsta style)

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Psyco

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Yeah but as long as there are people wanting abortions there will be abortionists.

(kindof pointless and goes round in circles)

So I agree hate the sin not the sinner.

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Psyco - the thing about hell: what you need to get is that God is, above all, fair. He needed to send Jesus to die for us, because otherwise the price would not have been paid for people to be saved. On one hand, God being God could just save everyone and spare His Son. But to do that would be to violate who He is, because it would not be just, the price would not have been paid. In the same way, death is simply our natural destination. Eternal life is on offer by a loving God, if we choose to reject it, it's not because He didn't do all He could to offer it to us.

And the literal lake of fire is pretty hard to justify from the Bible. But I'd also suggest the Bible is not specific about this because that's not what it's for. Too many people preach about hell, but God wants us to ttalk about *heaven*, for want of a better word.

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Assume for a minute that you are not a Christian, and have rejected God completely. Assume that you have just died. Assume that there is a place prepared for those who receive God and a place for those who reject God.

Would you rather arrive in the Afterlife without any clue of what is waiting for you? Or, would you rather have some idea of what might be?

At least God warns us of the dangers of rejecting Him. If He just blasted us off the face of the earth, without any warning, for not giving Him recognition, then I would say that God is cruel.

Hope that makes sense to you Psyco. Sadly, many people hear (and know) the Truth and still choose to die without Him.

Cheers,
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not to change the topic, but it brings an important question.. how can you define cruelty? by what is it measured and defined? God is also not subject to it, cuz God is omniopotent.. so, thus, I came to a conclusion, evil, cruelty, etc. is what God is not. God never sins, because sin is what God is not. Love is a demonstration of what God is. all these qualities are defined by God... k... me go now.

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