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Steve Member Posts: 46 From: Staten Island ,Ny Registered: 08-10-2002 |
Check This Place Out
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Curry Member Posts: 134 From: USA Registered: 11-21-2002 |
Steve, it's great! I spent a long time reading a couple of articles there. It's long, but it's thorough and it's on track. Thanks a lot for sharing that link, it's valuable and I added it to my Christian links. Have you ever seen articles by Peter Hammond and Frontline Fellowship's site in Africa: http://frontline.org.za/articles.htm Good stuff also. Curry |
CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
I don't listen to P.O.D., so I don't know much about them. I wouldn't exactly call the "Dial-the-Truth Ministries" website any sort of expert in christianity, though - they "SHOUT" a lot on their website. ------------------ |
BlazeQ Member Posts: 260 From: USA Registered: 05-11-2002 |
I've listened to some of POD's music. Most songs I didn't like because the music all sounded the same... but they have some good tracks, music and lyric-wise (Youth Of The Nation  ).I don't know much about the band themselves, but I don't put a lot of faith in Dial The Truth. Their Santa Claus article is a hilarious read (kind of sobering too...). Edit: whoops spelt Claus with an 'e' ------------------ [This message has been edited by BlazeQ (edited July 08, 2003).] |
Briant Member Posts: 742 From: Stony Plain, Alberta, Canada Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I have no idea who P.O.D. is, but av1611.org in general should be taken with a very small grain of salt. ------------------ |
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Curry Member Posts: 134 From: USA Registered: 11-21-2002 |
I wondered why people had a negative impression, so I went back and looked at another different couple of articles besides the first two I read--yeah the Santa Claus one is pretty hyped! And sometimes I saw quotes twisted a bit: "demons of addiction" -- "demons." (Along with other quotes that looked to be about the real thing.) But I like how many sources they use--a lot!--so even if this type of author looses footing sometimes in interpreting them for us, the reader can still learn something from the source. I appreciated learning some about Rasta religion / politics, and some of the quotes from musicians were great. So for example, POD--devil worshippers? I don't think so. Intelligent enough to be a role model for kids? With a Rasta Jesus and some of their other great ideas, I don't think so! Does their ignorance serve the devil's purposes? I would guess: Sure! All ignorance and confusion does, and more especially when people are influential. Santa Claus--Satan? I'm not too enthused by the letter scramble, we could do something like that with any name. Is the Santa concept working for evil in the world right now? I think so--by taking attention away from Jesus on Christmas and putting it on commercialism. So does the devil like the culture's preoccupation with Santa? I would venture to guess: Yes, very much! Curry |
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nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
quote: much like virtually all of the "information" sites on the internet...and schools of higher education...and just about any other person or oranization that expresses to know the facts...even the government...sadly even churches...and even the people at this website. even you. even me. hmm...whom can you believe? ============================================ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
yeah, I read that article on P.O.D. Lots of twisting of words, over exaggeration. I'll admit that P.O.D. is not perfect and they do stuff that they shouldn't do. That is true with all of us. Maybe, for one, I say this because P.O.D. is one of my favorite bands.. but, yeah. ------------------ |
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Briant Member Posts: 742 From: Stony Plain, Alberta, Canada Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I think av1611.org's primary purpose is to condemn everyone and everything, and use any means necessary, including outright lies. Stay away. Far away. Icky. Poison. Don't even browse through their tracts page unless you want to get royally ticked off and write angry letters. I guarantee there's something there to upset everyone. I never knew Christians could be so simply and purely angry at everyone until I had some discussions with the webmaster a couple years back. I cringe whenever I see that site mentioned. ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
yeah, I was actually starting to think that. sounded like they were just out to get 'em instead of searching for the truth. ------------------ |
silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
I think that some of the articles on the site do make you think about something you may not of thought of before. There are some very good issues raised, along with some that seem opinionated. ------------------ |
D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
They are not a christian band, and if you asked them, they would tell you the same. In fact they said that in Rolling Stone magazine. I'm not saying don't listen to them, just saying they are not christians. --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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Christian Member Posts: 400 From: Australia Registered: 09-15-2002 |
I suspect that POD are about as Christian as Xmas. Attempts to Christianise either are doomed to failure. |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: lol, and the same people believe that Evanescence are christian as well, just because there songs can be looked at from a christian persepective. Well to clear this up, christian oriented songs like Tourniquet were written by Ricky the drummer (previously in a christian band). The song is about whether you will still go to heaven if you commit suicide. Anyways everyone has there own opinions, just not many people have the facts. --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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silicon_chippy Member Posts: 208 From: Scotland Registered: 10-26-2002 |
"I think av1611.org's primary purpose is to condemn everyone and everything, and use any means necessary, including outright lies" I totally agree with you BrianT. I have taken the time to read several articles and I can honestly say that I felt that some of the articles were becoming evil. The part that I was most concerned about was their explainatian in the 911 artical. If you haven't read it, it basically says that that act of terrorism was god's sign. How could any person believe that let alone preach about it. It is absolutely distgusting that they could say such a thing. ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
Oh yeh i totally agree that they go way OTT when they explain things, and they do seem to rip everyone and anyone. But i knew what P.O.D were like before so... --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
well, yeah, P.O.D. does not want to be a "christian" band, a CCM artist. They don't want to be commited to only christian audiences. I heard Sonny speaking about "sleeping awake," (Matrix: reloaded lead single). He was talking about including Biblical elements in the song and stuff. So,would they be considered a christian band for a secular audience? ------------------ |
Simdrone052 Member Posts: 13 From: Bartow, Florida, USA Registered: 10-16-2002 |
Every member of P.O.D is a christian. Just look at the lyrics of their songs. At concerts, sonny is like a preacher up there or something (I downloaded a few live songs). They aren't rasta either, but they use some of the words and styles because its part of where they grew up. Maybe they aren't bright or whatever, but they definately love god. |
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nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
Simdrone, take a look at this discussion thread: http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum9&topic=000136 Please read over that thread carefully. Enjoy! n |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I'd agree with Simdrone052. ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
Ok i'm gonna retract my all my negative statements about P.O.D (other then i still think there lame  ), but i just read this article http://www.sexnrocknroll.com/articles/article_pod.asp and it looks really interesting. They are totally down with God 100% it seems. I agree that they do mess up from time to time, but like ArchAngel said, don't we all.--D-SIPL ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
that's a good article. ------------------ |
AmazingJas Member Posts: 437 From: Sydney, NSW, AUSTRALIA Registered: 04-03-2003 |
ok, I've had a little bit of a look round that website, and I think some of the things they say are really valid, and I'm glad that someone is willing to raise these issues. They are very heavy handed, but I think we have to be careful of being too critical of the efforts of ministries to do what is (hopefully) God-motivated. The intent here appears to be really good, and perhaps if you have a beef with the site, maybe drop em a line and let em know the perception that people have when visiting the site. Build em up, not knock em down! "If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand." Bah! I'm gibbering now, didn't mean to sound so self-righteous, because I know I'm not. I'm in a weird mood tonight, so take anything I say with that same little grain of salt |
Destroyer Member Posts: 31 From: Bismarck, ND Registered: 10-06-2002 |
i didnt read all the posts on this thread, but here is a link to an artical where sonny said "I believe in Jesus Christ with all my heart, mind, and soul. but when people label you, it is segragation, and it tells sombody who doesn't believe that they can't listen to this music because we write for christians, we never have" http://www.payableondeath.com/files/usa_today_11-2003.pdf |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
yeah, Sonny's like that. he critized Dove Awards for making a "christian subculture," instead of going into the world and influencing it. uh, something like that. ------------------ |
zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
quote: i did not read the article, but from what you quoted him on, I have to agree-------most people are not going to go out there and accept Christianity and Family Book Store and stuff like that---the vast majority of popular Christianity caters to those raised in it------and Bands like POD are out there in the real world----they are open about both their faith and their art and they are performing on a secular stage, listeners see this and they think 'Wow, that guy is always talking about Jesus---but he looks nothing like that stupid Sunday school stuff'---and that makes Jesus more accessable to them-----so I think christians living in the secular world (like POD and several other artists) instead of the christian subculture are the most powerful ministries out there---all the power to them! ------------------ |
