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silicon_chippy

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I have been thinking for a while whether going to an Eminem concert is outwith what the bible instructs. I regularly listen to his music and find it very interesting and enjoyable.
PLEASE ADVISE

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D-SIPL

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I got tickets to see him in London, so would be interested to read some reply's.

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Hmm. Touchy issue to be sure, but at the risk of stepping on toes I'll get to the principle of the matter.
Do you listen to Eminem because it causes you to think about how God has changed your life from the old self, or do you listen to it because it appeals and lifts up your flesh (that is, it feeds your selfishness)?
If you go to witness to others of how God can bring you out of the most impossible circumstances, then you aren't going for the pleasure of listening to Eminem, but for a greater purpose. If it suits your self to drop your witness for a few hours of personal pleasure, then perhaps you should consider your motives.

May God guide you in what is the right thing to do.

Klumsy

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I personally wouldn't go, when i listen to any music, even classical i like to look at the life of the artist who created it, as i feel music is very powerful, and alot of that person comes through the music.. and i believe from the lyrics that the fruits of his music isn't the sort of thing that paul or jesus admonishes us to focus on..

However us christians can find out pet issues and be very religious about them sometimes..

such as refusign to go to such a secular concert, but watching MTV half the day.
or taking a stand on movies such as Harry Potter but letting the eyes of our soul take in junk food for the soul ten times as worse..

B.t.w have any of you heard Apologetix's paradoy of slim shaddy by eminem?
it is very very very good.. if any body is interested, maybe i can find you a link to a stream of it or something..

Karl

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ArchAngel

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quote:
klumsy:
However us christians can find out pet issues and be very religious about them sometimes..

True... being a pharisee is an easy trap.

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have any of you heard Apologetix's paradoy of slim shaddy by eminem?

Yeah! haha! I love that song! Real Sin Savior. The lyrics are excellent also.

Also, there's a guy called KJ-52, christian rapper dude, kinda sounds like Eminem. I also hear him talk about certain stuff, and I like what he says.

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OK, this is just too catchy a topic to pass up!

I like to think about such things based on the welfare of society. I believe that Eminem's negative influence on society outweighs what people may enjoy artistically or find interesting. The influence on young, immature minds, plus it contributes to the general uglifying and devaluation of the culture.

Will every kid who listens to him be totally messed up and do obvious terrible things? No, but that's not necessary. But to really cover this kind of topic, it needs something a bit longer than a comment, more like an article or commentary! Several points should be considered, otherwise it's just an opinion. I might try it if you want. It's very valuable to understand why these things are destructive to society.

In my point of view, he chose to be and made himself an enemy of society. I see a subversive, destructive, devaluating effect, even though there are schools of appreciation that admire the style that results. So, since my concern is for society's welfare, he's my enemy. Of course, the popular culture in the society welcomes him!

I'm afraid that without reasoning through some of the points, my position will look dogmatic, but there are a lot of considerations to cover. How about this: post some reasons if you think it's OK or not very harmful, and should be appreciated, and I'll respond in those areas.

Curry

BTW I did try writing a few raps once including a couple of raps about negative types of hip-hop!

BluePaladin

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I personally don't go to non-Christian concerts anymore. I feel responsible for the money given to me from God. Do I always make the right choices? no, but, this is a decision you have to make for yourself.

I want my money going to Godly things, but at the same time, I still shop at Wal-Mart and other places that are not God based. My thought process more than an Eminem concert personally is:

What would this world be like if we only spent our money at God-centric type arenas? Not just music, but grocery, car mechanic, movies, DVDs? Would there be more God type businesses succeeding?

Think so.

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Klumsy

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quote:

What would this world be like if we only spent our money at God-centric type arenas? Not just music, but grocery, car mechanic, movies, DVDs? Would there be more God type businesses succeeding?

looks like a should set up a paypal donation feature at www.godcentric.com - so yall can spend your money there

But you do have a big point..
there is an estimated disposable income of about 25 trillian dollars created and consumed by christians (not including catholics) worldwide..
its very sad to see how such a small percentage of that goes to church or God ministries or any such thing.. and even smaller percentage gets out of the local church into outreach ministries, and an even even smaller percentage gets to areas that haven't heard the gospel before...

25 trillian dollars.. could feed so much of the poor world, finance bible translated into so many languages, support so many missionaries to common places and the unreached places.. be able to finance 500 million dollar hollywood quality (technically) and God quality (content) movies that send a strong Godcentric worldview to our culture easily..

Karl

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Man people, theocentric is the word, get it right. :-p

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quote:
Originally posted by BluePaladin:
What would this world be like if we only spent our money at God-centric type arenas?

I'd say that would be dangerous. I would fear that Christian products would be a pretty lame, like government services (except military and stuff)
I get frequently disappointed by the quality of christian products.
We got the best reasons to make good stuff, and we're putting out stuff that the only reason they survive is people buy it cuz they're christian.
I'd don't know. also the Bible makes no commandment or suggestion about buying only christian stuff.

I'm not taking down the christian market. I support it. I want it to lead.

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BluePaladin

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Now I do agree with you there. But take for example, I have a friend who owns a Christian book store. He can't sell books at the price Wal-Mart can because of bulk issues. (Wal-Mart buys in bulk, keeping their prices down) Personally, I look for Christian products that do have quality.

i.e. I eat at Chick-fil-e instead of McDonalds. They have better food, their kids meals have VeggieTales stuff in them sometimes, etc.

But in some cases, Christian businesses don't have opportunities to buy in bulk because of their size. I think if Christian businesses grow, so will the quality.

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silicon_chippy

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Have you been swayed either way --D-SIPL?

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Steve
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I say, Go.....GO and witness to those lost Fans.
ArchAngel

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Oh yeah, Blue Paladin. I totally agree.
like, for example, many christian gaming companies don't have nearly enough money to devolop or purchase a top of the line Game engine.

Oh yeah, I like your avatar too.

(In'n'Out Burger rocks!!!)
(just incase any of you don't know In'n'Out, it was founded by christian people and place bible verses on the packages of the food. mmmmm... food)

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D-SIPL

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Have you been swayed either way --D-SIPL?

I don't think im gonna go, not my kinda music anyway, i was going with my girlfriend. I saw Slipknot at London Arena, so i'm in no position to offer you advice.

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quote:

only reason they survive is people buy it cuz they're christian.

Um.. often the only reason people MAKE it is because there's a ready made market for it. Some Christian games I've seen are so bad I can only think of redneck fathers making kids play them and saying 'look son, we got games as good as they heathen got'.

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I'd don't know. also the Bible makes no commandment or suggestion about buying only christian stuff.

You're looking for the Law here, but in fact most scripture about charity and supporting others is actually about supporting people *in* the church, and in that sense, it's pretty clear that if you have money to spend, it's a good idea to spend it within the church, unless you have good reason not to. I certainly look for tradespeople within the church before I'd go outside, go to take away shops run by people from the church, etc. But I wouldn't seek out people just because they have a fish sticker on their car, or listen to Christian music even though it sucks.

Steve
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Go To The Concert And WITNESS....WITNESS TO THOSE LUCIFER-DAMNED Fans.
BluePaladin

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wow, I actually agree with christian for the most part . I think I need to mark my calendar.

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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by christian:
You're looking for the Law here, but in fact most scripture about charity and supporting others is actually about supporting people *in* the church, and in that sense, it's pretty clear that if you have money to spend, it's a good idea to spend it within the church, unless you have good reason not to. I certainly look for tradespeople within the church before I'd go outside, go to take away shops run by people from the church, etc. But I wouldn't seek out people just because they have a fish sticker on their car, or listen to Christian music even though it sucks.


Listen You Blasphomous LOSER, Christian Music Doesn't Suck.

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yeh it does... wake up!

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ArchAngel

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some of it does, some of it doesn't... whatever, just like secular.
There are some really great Christian music out there. Don't deny it.

And I like Christian music, don't take it down!

And don't call anyone a blasphomous loser(atleast not for this case, it doesn't fit) Dooooode, I feel like a moderator or something.

And a reply to christians statement about charity and such...
It's a view, could be true, maybe not. I'm not against buying things from inside the church, I say that's cool too.
Though, the bible also tells about supporting people outside the church, too. And our families.... in short, Love God, and love our neighbors, eh?

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Steve
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Originally posted by D-SIPL:
yeh it does... wake up!

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GROW UP,YOU FRIGGIN' CHUMP

Klumsy

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christian music its a big and wide topic, i think we put the label on too many things.. maybe there is 'entertainment music for christian', 'trying to copy the secular but make it nicey for christians', 'evangelistic music'
and music to worship with..

music is a deeply spiritual thing..
the focus of our music (and life ) should be to bring glory and honour to Christ, to worship God..

and if anybody says that sucks, i suggest for them to reprioritise their life and make sure God is really #1..

i'm not saying you gotta like all styles of christian music, or even agree with the industry.. there is a lot of corruption and compromise within the industry sadly..

But if music is truely christian.. it doesn't suck... i mean the sound of some old hymns 'sucks in my mind'... but they are often so filled of life, and truth - they are real treasures..

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ArchAngel

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Yeah, I agree with Klumsy. Well put, my man!

Oh, and steve. calm down...

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D-SIPL

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GROW UP,YOU FRIGGIN' CHUMP
lol, no need to get so emotional about it :P

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But if music is truely christian.. it doesn't suck... i mean the sound of some old hymns 'sucks in my mind'... but they are often so filled of life, and truth - they are real treasures..

I can agree, hymns have real nice lyrics and some fascinating stories behind them sometimes. Just they remind me of religious churches full of drones standing there looking so miserable.

There are some bands out there, but most of them are so cheesy. Delerious, DC Talk, Switchfoot to name a few. None of them really musically excel themselves. Take Slipknot, probably one of the worse bands around (although they've split up now), but musically talented they are amazing. Joey Jordison on drums, using 3 bass pedals!?!

I don't wanna be fobbed off with cheesy music, and what i've heard from the christian industry it all is. I would be open to anyone naming some good Metal bands that i can have a listen to.

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D-SIPL

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quote:
GROW UP,YOU FRIGGIN' CHUMP
lol, no need to get so emotional about it :P

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But if music is truely christian.. it doesn't suck... i mean the sound of some old hymns 'sucks in my mind'... but they are often so filled of life, and truth - they are real treasures..

I can agree, hymns have real nice lyrics and some fascinating stories behind them sometimes. Just they remind me of religious churches full of drones standing there looking so miserable.

There are some bands out there, but most of them are so cheesy. Delerious, DC Talk, Switchfoot to name a few. None of them really musically excel themselves. Take Slipknot, probably one of the worse bands around (although they've split up now), but musically talented they are amazing. Joey Jordison on drums, using 3 bass pedals!?!

I don't wanna be fobbed off with cheesy music, and what i've heard from the christian industry it all is. I would be open to anyone naming some good Metal bands that i can have a listen to.

--D-SIPL

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Steve
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There are some bands out there, but most of them are so cheesy. Delerious, DC Talk, Switchfoot to name a few. None of them really musically excel themselves. Take Slipknot, probably one of the worse bands around (although they've split up now), but musically talented they are amazing. Joey Jordison on drums, using 3 bass pedals!?!

I don't wanna be fobbed off with cheesy music, and what i've heard from the christian industry it all is. I would be open to anyone naming some good Metal bands that i can have a listen to.
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You My Friend Have Been Possesed By Satan, The Only Christian Music That's Sucky Is Mass-Type Music(organ music is really boring)

And What You Say About Those Band's That You Mentioned Is Wrong. Their Are MANY MANY GREAT Christian Music Artists Out There.Try To Search For YourSelf.

Go To This Site As Soon As You Renounce Lucifer As Your Buddy http://www.christianmp3.com/

Once There You Can Find A S**t Load Of Great Christian Music Of ALL Types.....Even Punk.

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Okay... I'd like to chime in that whether or not Christian music sucks depends on which bands you listen to, or what genre you prefer. In some areas the available artists are rather lacking, but for what I listen to they are just as good or better than the secular equivalent.

Also, what's wrong with Switchfoot? I didn't like their latest CD but some of their older songs I did enjoy. Just because a lot of Christians like them and you don't doesn't mean the whole industry sucks.

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You My Friend Have Been Possesed By Satan

LMAO! wondered why my heads been spinning 360 degrees lately, and being sick a lot.

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Go To This Site As Soon As You Renounce Lucifer As Your Buddy

What planet are you on?? You don't even know me and your saying i'm posessed and Lucifer is my friend?? When i got born again, Jesus became my Lord, he lives in side of me, how can i be posessed?!

quote:
Also, what's wrong with Switchfoot? I didn't like their latest CD but some of their older songs I did enjoy. Just because a lot of Christians like them and you don't doesn't mean the whole industry sucks.

Switchfoot had a couple of catchy tunes, that got boring quite quickly. I agree it is down to personal choice, and personally i haven't yet found a band i like, and what i've heard has sucked hence my current conclusion.

Anyways steve you need to chill mate! i don't wanna argue, love you all the same man!

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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by Silicon_Chippy:
I have been thinking for a while whether going to an Eminem concert is outwith what the bible instructs. I regularly listen to his music and find it very interesting and enjoyable.
PLEASE ADVISE


Go The The Concert And Witness To Those Fans. Don't take the Crappy Advice Of Eminem's Lyrics,Just Have Fun And Even Witness To A Few People.

Briant

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve:
Listen You Blasphomous LOSER
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GROW UP,YOU FRIGGIN' CHUMP
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You My Friend Have Been Possesed By Satan
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As Soon As You Renounce Lucifer
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Once There You Can Find A S**t Load Of Great Christian Music
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Steve, please tone it down. Take care how you use words.

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The Only Christian Music That's Sucky Is Mass-Type Music(organ music is really boring)

Musical tastes are subjective. You got riled up when someone said music that you liked "sucked", yet now you call another type of music "sucky" that someone else may like. Personally, I *love* Mass-type music, gregorian chants, etc. Should I now call you a "Blasphomous LOSER" and "FRIGGIN' CHUMP"? I don't think I will, but I will ask that you read Titus 3:2 and Eph 4:2-3 before making any more posts.

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Steve
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I Will,Sorry
silicon_chippy

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Thankyou all for your feedback. I have decided not to go because I could find a lot better uses of 45(plus travel costs). I will spend the time with my family as they need me a lot more than I will ever need Eminem.

Thanks Again Everyone

PS Steve, this community is not at all like some other boards, where you have to shout to be heard or be gramatically violent.

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ArchAngel

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Yeah, I'm with BrianT.

oh, and DC Talk rocks! come on... k, Switchfoot got some good ones, some really boring ones.
And I also like delirious? There is just something about their music I like.
True, there are alot of more musically talented secular bands out there... well, there are also alot more people willing to play.

It's weird to argue about this, cuz it's mostly based on opinions.

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D-SIPL, fear not; I bring the metal. Norma Jean, Demon Hunter (sounds a lot like Slipknot), Living Sacrifice, Training For Utopia...the list goes on. Check out http://www.solidstaterecords.com/ for the latest in the good stuff. Definitely check out those bands I've listed. I agree, the mainstream Christian stuff is not for me; a lot of the lyrics (and especially music) seem to be lacking, but obviously (as has been said) musical taste is subjective, so it's completely my opinion.
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Thanks Brian, will check them out.

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They started play Jeremy Camp here in TN a few months back and I went to his concert. Man, what a testimony. He was married and his wife died 5 months later of cancer. He gave a full account of his feelings and how it affected his relationship with God. It made me like his music more. If you like alternative with a ballad or two, he's a great artist to look at. They play "Understand" and "I still believe" (which he wrote soon after his wife died) here in TN on the radio.

I think God has blessed Mr. Camp for being faithful through his music. It's pretty great.

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ArchAngel

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yeah, totally. He has an amazing testimony. He married his wife, knowing that she had terminal cancer. And still going strong...

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I've never heard a complete song from the M&M guy.

I wait for Weird Al's Version ...
and it is out! :-) On the Poodle Hat album, called Couch Potato!
Pretty good bass on it too (Rich, I'll torture you with it when you are here).
Basically, a rap about your chance to be a couch potato, all the TV shows you could be watching.
Too funny. :-)

Tim

PS In general, Al (who is a Christian by the way) was more crude and rude on this album (or at least my perception). <Sigh>

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ArchAngel

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Weird Al's a christian? cool!

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