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RE-THINKING CCN – Krylar

Krylar

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Hiya,

Bottom line is that life is too darned busy to keep up with everything.

The point of the CCN was to be a place where Christian developers could get together and help each other with coding stuff. Games, business, net, whatever. Games was sort of a focus because that's what I'm into, but doesn't matter.

It has since turned into a debate the various facets of Christianity board. This is okay, but it really wasn't the plan for the site. Now, to be fair, I have been less than available to keep things on course, and I take full responsibility. But as it stands, the site really isn't a coding site, so I'm not sure what to do with it.

Choices are (as I see them):

a) Yank the coding stuff and just make it all boards. I don't have time to moderate all that would entail, though, and it would (frankly) bore me to tears to run.

b) Re-focus the site to be a DEVELOPMENT site. This means that I would pull only the development stuff to the main page and leave all the other stuff ("speaking in tongues", "pornography", etc.) to be in the forum. Fully accessible, but not front-page material. I would then make it waaaaaay easier to put up articles for people, etc. But they would be development artilces.

If I do this, though, that would mean that it would revert to what it was originally intended to be: A place where Christian developers could go to seek help with their projects from people that (hopefully) won't blast them just because they're Christians.

c) I kill the entire site. I don't want to do this, but as it stands, it's rather pedantic and has very little to do with coding.

To be honest, if I don't go with B, I'm going with C.

Thoughts?

-Krylar

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Angel

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Ive been here a long time Krylar so I felt that I should say something. If you are going to go with c" perhapes you should offer that someone else take over the site and the bills as well. I am on your side fully about the board really having nothing to do with code (you remmember my complaint long ago).

I have to be thankful for this place code wise in one way. I bumped into some great people here from time to time. BP is one of them and he and I are working on a game. We have just found that most people here want to talk and put in little effort or they dont have the time or they dont have the knolage or the programs or blah blah blah, the excusess go on and on.

Im not bashing anyone here. I know many of you have good intent and some of you are actuly doing things

Anyways Krylar I hope you go with b" but if not consider my idea at the top.

~Angel~

Angel

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I forgot to mention. If you arnt going to own this place I would like to ask that when you dissapear that my art will dissapear ofline as well. I didnt mind letting you use them Krylar cuz you have been so much help to me. I dont trust anyone else :P

Eather way you be Blessed
~Angel~

Krylar

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Heya,

I would certainly first offer it up to someone else before just shutting it down, but I would kill it from my list-o-things.

So, I guess what I'm asking is this: Do you guys see the CCN as something that could really be useful for Christian Coders to get together on and support each other on coding issues...or do you think that's just going to be a flop? Be honest. Don't be rah-rah or motivational, tell me what you guys really think of this.

I'm willing to update the code to be more usable and such so people can share their knowledge via tutorials/articles/etc. And I'd be interested in getting back in to writing some myself. But only if people think it's really going to be useful.

So please be honest with me about this, because it will require a LOT of work and time is something I really don't have an ample supply of. If it's useful/helpful/etc., I'm all over it. If not, then I'll open the doors for someone else to take things over.

Thanks,

-Krylar

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CobraA1

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b) sounds like a good choice.

I'll also stop posting in debates - I know I've been a somewhat active debater sometimes. If you want to keep the boards about development, that's fine with me. This is, after all, Christian Coders Network. I'd hate to see c) happen.

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Briant

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Krylar,

I have not been very active on the boards lately, partially because of the exact concerns you have expressed. I've had more than my fill of 'debate' threads, mostly on other boards, and have been entirely avoiding boards that are dominated by them, both here and elsewhere.

But I still think the CCN is awesome, and has awesome potential. Option B makes me cheer. Options A and C make me cry. I got really soured on another debate board several months ago, and am now actively avoiding debate threads where ever they are. They only make me cranky, and waste my time -
time I should be spending coding!

Actually, guess what I was doing when I saw this thread: I was sitting at the computer, wearing my CCN T-shirt, and coding for a project that I became involved in thanks to you and this board (you referred "Paul" to me recently with his hockey project, and I'm pumped about this - by the way, I apologize for never thanking you for sending him to me. )

I apologize for not being more active here lately. I remember being very excited when I first found your site and shared your vision a couple years ago. But life has kept me busier than I would have liked, and I let my interest in this site and its direction slip. However, I have been busy coding a range of projects for myself and others, and I really have quite a bit of interesting/useful code developed over the last while. Some HANDY stuff about DirectX, OpenGL, MFC, general algorithms, etc. Also, several months ago I took a 40-hour Windows debugging course from John Robbins (author of MSDN's "Bugslayer" column, and originally one of the developers of BoundsChecker) that was FREAKING AWESOME. A lot of this info should be passed on to the rest of the people here, it's great stuff. I really should put together some snippets/samples/tutorials for your code database - that's one area of the site I'd really like to see explode.

Anyway, I for one am all for a 'back to basics' CCN - a CCN where coding is by far the dominant theme. I don't mind the occassional theological side-topic, but there are already 18 million Christian discussion and debate boards out there and I'm sick of all of them. CNN is one-of-a-kind, and I want my CCN back!

Brian

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Krylar

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Slowly I get more excited about the potential of this site again.

I'm a Christian. thus, I love Christ.

I'm a geek. Thus, I love to code.

I often need assistance in my coding or finding other coders to help with projects. Thus, I need help.

Put them all together...

Christ + Code + Others = Christian Coders Network.

There ya go.

Okay, people...hope you're ready for this cause the geeky coder-types are taking back the site! :P There will still be a topic for Christian debate, but it won't be on the main page. I'm going to start leaning this site heavily toward coding again and will work on making it more robust and all that.

[me]takes a deep breath![/me]

-Krylar

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Briant

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Yay! :P I promise to make some code/article contributions very soon.

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Krylar

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Hold off on that until I get the new articles thingy put together. While I'm happy to make the time to put the code together for everyone to write their tutorials, put them in, and manage them, I wouldn't have the time to re-format them and all that like I used to.

But, don't worry, I'll make it as easy as I can

-Krylar

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BlazeQ

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When I first read of the rethinking I started thinking of how CCN could be streamlined. Came back and was pleased to see you've decided to keep going

Streamlined layout: http://www.creationindigital.com/ccn.html

Basically you could make it into three sections with several sub-sections. Instead of featuring the Showcases, articles & discussions on the front page, you could give each sub-cat above a fair amount of space (whether a plug or the latest submissions or both). Otherwise it's hidden and doesn't get much traffic (e.g. the code, links, & worklog sections). I think the idea of pulling the topics from general chat and the others from the front page is good one.

Also, I think getting several helpers to approve submissions, moderate & search for new stuff on the net is key to helping CCN grow and become a greater help to devs.

My $.02,
BlazeQ

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Klumsy

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quote:

So, I guess what I'm asking is this: Do you guys see the CCN as something that could really be useful for Christian Coders to get together on and support each other on coding issues...or do you think that's just going to be a flop? Be honest. Don't be rah-rah or motivational, tell me what you guys really think of this.


you know even if coders aren't active in talking code turkey.. This place has been a key initial meeting place for people. I met a large section of my team here - people who have posted only once or twice.. its like #bible on IRC.. most of the time it was pointless, but i am glad i went there a couple of times, because i just happened to met my wife there ... maybe different relationships, relationships between coders , sometimes spiritual friends, acocuntible friends and sometimes more technical teammembers have been forged initially in this site.. i think we keep it up.. and i had thought along time ago to getting certian threads off the main page.. but it would be sad though not to still have christan chat and christian threads.. but have moderators have the ability to move a thread or tell people to move over the the 'out of site' area.. You know various people have been ministered to , and thus had their lives changes , through members posts through this site also.. As the owner and creator of this site, it is your responsibility in Christ , to not just do the things that maybe the human mind can comprehend, but to pray and maybe fast, asking God for his will, hearing his Will, and taking the leadership and neccisary changes to implement his Will, even if you step on few toes here and there..

But i believe God has a purpose for this board, and since He has a purpose its wisest to get that purpose from Him directly.

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c h i e f y

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nice one Klumsy, I second you on that alright!!

quote:
Originally posted by CobraA1:
b) I'll also stop posting in debates - I know I've been a somewhat active debater sometimes.


what? are you crazy? nobody even hinted that Cobra! C'mon CCN lives on ... we DO have a great community here, long may it continue


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rowanseymour

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I don't how a site with theological debates, and a site with programming resources are mutually exclusive.

I can see that the recurring arguments on the forums are a problem. They happen because we're not a unified community, that is, we disagree on matters as serious as salvation, and that seriously limits our evangelical capability. But I can't see how you can fix that without becoming a gated community.

Maybe we need to be more accountable to each other - so we're not posting stuff that's going to discourage people from coming forth with their prayer requests and letting themselves be open and vunerable. A CCN statement of beliefs? You could have parts of the forum that are accessible only to subscribers of such a statement. Just an idea.

But I do think we should be striving to make this site evangelical. Afterall - the christian games being developed here, are timewasters if they are not evangelical.

Finally gotta thank Krylar for the time and effort that he has put into this site that we all take for granted. Nice work bro !

Krylar

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Hiya,

Not saying that the threads will go away, it's just not the theme of the site. I believe it was through the prayer that this site came into being. It is *I* that have not kept with the proposed purpose.

I allowed it to drift into just another Christian-debate site. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that, but it was never the intention of this site to be that. It was for coders, who happen to be Christian, to get together, network, help each other, etc.

You'll still be able to debate issues that you feel you wanna, and I'll happily give moderator status to someone who wants to moderate that section of the boards. But it's time for me to return this site to what it was intended for, and that's coding.

-Krylar

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Angel

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Perhaps I should dissapear as well from the boards. Im just a 3d modler/skinner/2dart/novalist/ and so on. I dont really code. Though I can give lots of qustions relating to code and how it interacts with 3d/2d games and such.

I have an answer to the prob. Why not have a posting aria for those who are looking for help or to be of help in projects. Make it only for that.

Just an idea.
~Angel~
(I dont have much time to spend here now adays but this is a place to hook up with some great team mates)

ArchAngel

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I love this site! As is! It's... my precious...
(B would be the best option of the three. Though I like it how it is. (C must never happen.
Yeah, lately, there was a lot of non-computer debates going on. It might be just a fad, might not.
In my experience, things happen alot differently then I planned, but they sometimes turn out better. We can not always see God's master plan.
CobraA1, you don't post in debates anymore? Mann!
Angel, don't go. I mean, come on!
Gotta study now! later!

oh, and C must not happen!

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Wacko4X

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Hey Krylar!

I dont really post very much (as you can see from my numbers :)) But also I dont really know very much on a coding basis... I love to code, but I am so new at it. What I mean to say is "power to the geeks!" and all but by changing the website will you not allow new programmers like me to get help?

Also, just out of curiosity... I am taking a Java Programming class at school... would you guys like me to post source code of my little one page programs to help those that are just starting out in Java or for constructive criticism?

I really do love this site and it is normally the site I first visit when I get online so I just want to say thanks a lot Krylar for your work! and whatever God wills you to do I am all for it... (also I like B but hey that is just my opinion :)

God Bless ya'll!

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CobraA1

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quote:
Originally posted by Angel:
Perhaps I should dissapear as well from the boards. Im just a 3d modler/skinner/2dart/novalist/ and so on. I dont really code. Though I can give lots of qustions relating to code and how it interacts with 3d/2d games and such.

Half of what makes a good game a good game is in the art .

quote:

(referring to debating)
what? are you crazy? nobody even hinted that Cobra!

I could never resist a good debate . Nobody had to tell me that.

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Angel

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Note: Im not gone as of yet but you never know when I may get really busy again.
~Angel~
BlazeQ

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quote:
Originally posted by Wacko4X:
I dont really post very much (as you can see from my numbers ) But also I dont really know very much on a coding basis... I love to code, but I am so new at it. What I mean to say is "power to the geeks!" and all but by changing the website will you not allow new programmers like me to get help?


I think it will be even more centered on helping newbies (like myself )

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Mack

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I too have not been frequently and throughly scanning over the site as I normally do due to real life getting a bit tight/complex/not being myself and completely skipping over the debate threads and letting Karl deal with them (although heís not a Mod. he reads over a lot of the threads and talks to me about them if something comes up and I completely trust him). Iím open to whatever takes place, bringing this site back to itís roots does interest me however.

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Imsold4christ

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So much history here. I can't believe it's been more than two whole years since I first got connected to this site. It's the boards that have always kept me coming back.

Since I don't play video games, and a large part of this site seems to be geared towards making Christian video games, it looks like I'll be fading into the background now that we're changing over to straight coding as oppossed to Christian discussions. Rarely do I ever have a coding question to post here (it takes too long to get an answer). I do love to code though.

Option B looks like the best. 'C' would be bad, I'd really hate to see you go Krylar. You really are a great guy and a pretty strong Christian based on what I've seen from your posts. Option 'A' would be equally sad, because I think everyone would just leave without the coding aspect.

Just my $2E-2,
ÜCalebÜ

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Ty

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Would be a shame if the site disapeared. Whilst I'm not exactly the most active person in the hisory of the universe (you can blame university for that ), this place has a nice atmosphere about it and combines the two loves of my live

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Torial

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quote:
Originally posted by Krylar:

b) Re-focus the site to be a DEVELOPMENT site. This means that I would pull only the development stuff to the main page and leave all the other stuff ("speaking in tongues", "pornography", etc.) to be in the forum. Fully accessible, but not front-page material. I would then make it waaaaaay easier to put up articles for people, etc. But they would be development artilces.

If I do this, though, that would mean that it would revert to what it was originally intended to be: A place where Christian developers could go to seek help with their projects from people that (hopefully) won't blast them just because they're Christians.


B) is the only viable option! I agree with the B) approach. What I would encourage is that non-coding threads be placed in the background, but that coding threads have the shortcut on the front page. And then, if a coding topic goes off course, setup a non-coding thread. Link to that.. and not allow non-coding posts to a coding thread. (Maybe at the top of the thread, have a spin-offs set of links so that people can follow a particular discussion that has moved elsewhere).

The areas where coding and Christianity collide (such as is violence appropriate in a Christian game, what is a Christian game, etc..) should continue in coding threads... or perhaps there should be three sections: coding in general, christian games, and christianity. The first two sections are available up front, but the other is in the forums.

My 2 cents..

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Krylar

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Option B it shall be!

All you newbie coders, don't worry! Part of the point of all this is to help each other as best we can. Can we cover every language? No. But we can help with what we do know, and a lot of coding paradigms transcend the actual language being used. So fear not!

Now, this is going to take some time to do. But I will give as much time as I can to make it happen as quickly as possible.

-Krylar

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Klumsy

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kryler, is it easily feasible with UBB to be able to move a thread from one forum to another?

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Krylar

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Klemsy (:P)...yessir. Massive group moves are REALLY tough though, so I'm avoiding those ;D

-Krylar

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GUMP

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When it comes to game making discussion, at least for those on the Infinitum team, they all take place on our own board. Still, I'd like to see some conservations that are equivalent to what you'd find on gamedev.net
CobraA1

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I used to go to gamedev.net, but it got so busy it was taking too much time. I don't go there anymore.

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Krylar

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Actually, the real reason I made this site was becasue of GameDev.net. I was there a lot and I saw a Christian dude asking for help on game development. He got responses like "Pray about it!", "what? God can't help you?", etc. So I searched the boards for "Christian" and found that while some people were helpful, some were just not nice.

So, I figured it'd be cool to have a place where Christians don't have to feel concerned about asking a coding question and such. And, in the process, maybe get to meet and work with others of like mind, or who are at least not opposed to people believing in Christ.

-Krylar

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Christian
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A lot of those specific gaming sites are full of try hards. I've never been treated that way on Code Project, which is a much better site than this one for programming/gaming help, just because of the volume of help there.

ArchAngel

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I check up on GameDev.net. Don't do anything. Doesn't have the allure of this place. CCN rocks!!! (wish I can find a appropriate smilie!)

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AmazingJas

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I am pretty new here, but already I love this community so much. I am active on non-christian gaming forums, which can be sooo HOT if you say the wrong thing. I'm trying to start a similar local community for Australian Christians, and was hoping to use this as a model.

Incidentally, I've just added a new showcase entry which I intended to do today, strange coincidence huh? Anyway, thanks for the great work you've put in so far, it's really appreciated (and thanks for the 2d Blitz game programming book as well!)

Ascent
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Even though it looks like the decision has been made, B totally gets my vote. I've wanted all along for it to be more of a resource to coders -- and not just game coders -- I think it'd be great if we opened it up to more types of programming. Sure, I code games, but I also code databases, utilities and just about anything else -- I'd love to see some good articles from all the .NET gurus we've got on here. I'd be glad to put up some PHP stuff, etc...

Games are great, and let's keep the game programming stuff, but can't we have web programming forums/articles, too? I know I've seen a few pop up, but the last time I "officially" asked, it wasn't much of a priority... but I think most coders are like me -- they like to code games, but they (like to) code other stuff, too.

-Ascent

Krylar

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Varied programming types sounds great to me.

Gimme a list of forum topics and I'll hook it up. BUT...try to keep it distinct and separate. I don't think anyone wants to wade through 30 different topic types

And, as for the tutorials/articles, I'd be more than happy to hook this up too (when I complete the articles creation section), but I'm not going to write them all! :P

-Krylar

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Soul Joy

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Just two bits.
I believe there is a great need for solid games that put the right combination of adventure and truth together. It will happen as I see it but I do not know where or by whom. A gift to do anything, is from God and I know that somewhere there is someone who wants to make a difference with that gift. I got caught into the debate for a moment and I thank the Lord, for giving me a door to get out, before I got caught in something I did not want to be a part off. One suggestion would be the planning side beyond just creating a game which maybe could be a thread. I believe there needs to be a solid plan for any company to finish the job. Ideas are great but solid foundations lift dreams and end failure. Also the desire to be the one instead of a body needs to be addressed. It takes a body to build and no hand or foot or whatever accomplishes much, without the rest of the body. It takes special people with a deep desire to reach the goals the Lord has set for them. God bless you all in your efforts and please pray about your gift to this body called Christian Coders. See you all soon or in Heaven which ever comes first.

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Neil Roy

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I am new to this board (see my number of posts) but I really loved the idea of a place where other programmers shared my hobby and beliefs. It would be too bad if this place shut down.

To be honest, I like plan (B) the best, I think by putting non-programming topics on the main page you are inviting debate on them and taking away from the main focus of the site. Having forums for debate is fine, so long as they are at the bottom of the forums list.

Personally, I learned a long time ago to stop debating or argueing beliefs. Its gets you nowhere, people with beliefs generally won't change because of what I have to say in a forum or news group so why "throw your pearls to pigs".

I think discussions on christianity as it relates to programming should be the focus here, moralilty of certain subject matter in games (the game "Grand THEFT Auto" comes to mind and glorifying crime) would make interesting discussion and fit in with the theme of the website. Articles about those types of games and the morality of them relates directly to a christian coder.

Just remember to stay focused on what the website is for, and perhaps a friendly reminder to the members from time to time wouldn't hurt.

Anyhow... nice site, I hope it stays up.

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InsanePoet

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Don't worry Neil Roy, this is an old thread

EDIT: oh yeah, and welcome to CCN

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silicon_chippy

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Hi Krylar,

Just a small note to say thankyou for deciding to keep working on this site. I realise that it must take up an awful lot of time, but your work is appreciated. I originally came to this site from a BlitzBasic site, coincidentally at the same time that I was studying tha Alpha course. The Christian discussions on this site have been of great benefit to me.
I am nowhere near being a perfect Christian and I certainly can't code that well. The point is that you have a community here that is irresistable. I come to this site frequently( I hardly ever post)and enjoy my time here. It is good to hear that your site is going to become more focused on programming, I would just ask that you have a thought of the week or alternative based on Christianity on the homepage. That would mean that trainee programmers may learn about Christianity at the same time. If I can be of any assistance in your plans, don't hesitate to contact me.

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I have been driven many times to my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go. My own wisdom, and that of all around me seemed insufficient for the day. ABRAHAM LINCOLN

alvin

Junior Member

Posts: 5
From: orlando
Registered: 07-18-2003
Hi Krylar,
This site is awesome, i just joined today and this is my third post.
this site just rocks. i can't believe i just read like 3+ hour of threads.
Glad u decide to stay in there.

P.S. I live in orlando, Fl. Would love to meet any one of you who may live near me. Need to network, I pray that there'll be a awesome Christian game company out there for me when I graduate from my current
college(Full Sail Real World Education) I am a Game Design student there.
Thanks for the space
Alvin

silicon_chippy

Member

Posts: 208
From: Scotland
Registered: 10-26-2002
Welcome aboard Alvin.
It is amazing how much time can be eaten up by reading these threads. It is great to find a message board that isn't filled with spam etc. Everyone here is so open to different viewpoints, and it is very informative to read most of the Christian threads.

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I have been driven many times to my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go. My own wisdom, and that of all around me seemed insufficient for the day. ABRAHAM LINCOLN

c h i e f y

Member

Posts: 415
From: Surrey, United Kingdom
Registered: 03-07-2002
Silicon_Chippy you are so right
an hour becomes a minute, if it wasn't for surfing a good message board you would say moving an hour to a minute was impossible


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Originally posted by Krylar:
Actually, the real reason I made this site was becasue of GameDev.net. I was there a lot and I saw a Christian dude asking for help on game development. He got responses like "Pray about it!", "what? God can't help you?", etc. So I searched the boards for "Christian" and found that while some people were helpful, some were just not nice.

So, I figured it'd be cool to have a place where Christians don't have to feel concerned about asking a coding question and such. And, in the process, maybe get to meet and work with others of like mind, or who are at least not opposed to people believing in Christ.

-Krylar



heeey this is my fave post of the whole thread! nice one Krylar, you are DA MAN no doubt about it! up until here I was getting worried


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c h i e f y
global chiefy to yer old seafarin' seadog maties