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Karl /GODCENTRIC
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

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even if mostly bickering

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So what's new ? :0)

I'm posting more because I got sick of usenet - the 'christian' group is overrun with people wanting to explain how 'fornication' means to have sex for the purpose of pagan worship, and that all other sexual contact, including homosexuality, but not including sex after you are married with someone other than your partner, is encouraged by God. The reply is the usual 'homosexuals are filthy and worse sinners than anyone else' stuff which is also unBiblical, and then end result is just a disaster, God is forgotten.

So if you want to see real bickering, try aus.religion.christian. Despite a few people wanting to call me names, this place is very civilised in contrast.

I am sure you will enjoy spitting my words back to me, but do not expect a response as it is not my intention to quarrel with you, but to free you from your false gospel, which I can do better by praying for you.
God Bless.

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I am not attacking you Christian but rebuking your gospel which I find utterly demonic, like any gospel which preaches salvation by anything other than Jesus Christ.

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I remain amused that the Gospel which I preach - which is essentially the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and His fulfilling His promise to send His Spirit with evidence, is demonic to you and somehow removed from the one person who is central to everything I say.

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In response you have defended yourself with proud boasting, but it is worthless,

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No, that was my evil twin. Seriously, I have boasted of nothing but Christ, I really cannot comprehend where these wierd accusations come from.

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I too can boast that I speak in tongues by the Holy Spirit.

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Really ? Then I am really sorry for you. Why have you left your first love ? Why do you hate the Gospel that you have recieved ?

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I am sure you will enjoy spitting my words back to me, but do not expect a response as it is not my intention to quarrel with you, but to free you from your false gospel, which I can do better by praying for you.

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God Bless.

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He has. I pray to Him every day, I keep Him in my thoughts and consider Him in my actions. He has given me a language to pray to Him, which He says I need, He blesses me, He heals me, He cares for me. What would you add to my experience ? You only want to subtract from what God has done for me by convincing me it is worthless, that those who do not accept these gifts from God are equally saved and I should lower myself to that level in my thinking.

I believe God keeps His promises, every time. Those who deny His promises are, sadly, not His, by their choice. I'm sure you'll dismiss that as proud, it seems you are better than most at using empty accusations to hide from the words I have to say.

Christian

We have been around in circles enough..

I believe i am saved, most here do , including rowan..
Christian believes he is (and that most here aren't as they don't speak in tounges)... I know that only God knows the heart of Christian, and only God knows that he is saved.. I can see that Christian in sincere in His belief... Most here, as well as the majority of solid apolgetists and theologicans around the world conclude that CHristians doctrines and beliefs are cultic, and not the original gospel of JC that paul preached for instance.. But we've been around this path many many many times... We all have blind spots in our understanding, sometimes those blind spots are so unbalanced and unhealhty it distorts our faith and lives and needs to be addressed like a cancer, othertimes they aren't very significant and are no more than a freckle on our lives...

from my judgement, and my judgement is only a human opinion, not that of the almighty, Christian's understanding is quite malaligned - yet inside that He does know soem of the fundamentals of the Gospel, yet adds to it others (Christian, you need not reply, i know you think otherwise) - I say his church is cultic, Yet however His beliefs and the way they influence his attitudes are no more sivere than a legalist in a noncultic denomination.. I do see pride, and harshness.... but i see pride in myself, and i need to daily go before Christ, and humble myself...

What am i saying?
its how we accept Christian or not...
We can't accept things he may say that we strongly believe that are against the fundamental truths and foundations of the gospel, things that would bind people up rather than set them free... things that take the focus of Jesus and His sacrfice and atonement of our sins...
However the way to do this is in prayer, to ask God to search our hearts and minds for all unrightouesness, to search our motives.. Beceause if we are just defending OUR mindset for OUR sake, rather than speaking the truth in LOVE , for the Lord's sake, and so that people may not be decieved then thats bad...
Also despite what he says he is our neighbour and we are to love him... are our opinions, annoyances, attitudes bigger than our love?
in many ways (IMO) Christian is closer to the gospel than many , He knows alot about it, and in some ways more than many christians around the world who don't take their word seriously... However spiritual pride (and i pray that God would rid that ugly monster from all of us) blinds from the truth and the essence of the gospel.. I don't know if he really understands the grace of God or not... i think his christianity (as many others can be), is about fitting understanding into a box that can be contained in his head, where you can understand every aspect of doctrine, and be secure in your understanding... and not being able to accept salvation by faith alone, need to have an external sign to give you the peace that you are indeed saved, rather than accepting the salvation by faith.. again this is my opinion, i could be wrong, and i don't want to judge or condemn Christian.. There are lessons to be learnt in all of our own lives from things here...
let me finish with some scripture.. its frm the message paraphrase, which i don't consider to be solid enough as a bible translation, as its written by one man and heavily paraphased.. but i do use it often for food for thought, because sometimes we can learn a scripture over and over, and it ends up just being words (just like people can rote learn the Lord's prayer, but not even begin to grasp its power and treasures inside)... anyway its the start of 1 cor 13

If i speak God's word with power, revealing all his mysterious and making evething plain as day, and if i have faith that says to a mountain "jump" and it jumps, but i don't love, I'm nothing.
If i give everything i own to the poor and even go to the stake as a martyr, but i don't love, i've gotten nowhere. SO , no matter what i say, what i believe, and what i do, I'm bankrupt without love.

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Karl /GODCENTRIC
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

I'll just add that I have previously noted that I have learned much about the Bible in my time online, usually from people more keen to discuss the Bible than to call other people names and use labels as a way to hide from what is presented from the Bible. Two people in two days have started a discussion with me and immediately refused to answer what I say from the Bible. If you don't want to talk about the Bible, if you cannot defend your beliefs from the Bible, your best bet is to consider why, or at least don't talk about it at all.

That is a general comment, not addressed to any one person, and certainly not to the post I am replying to.

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"If I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

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"If I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

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Karl /GODCENTRIC
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

Klumsy-
Yes, i've seen that. It's neat.

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"If I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

This is Paul speaking to the Galations when they decided salvation was Jesus Christ + The Law. Salvation is through Jesus Christ, and only through Jesus Christ, any other gospel is demonic, no matter how close it seems to the true Gospel.

I have searched my motives for my last few posts very hard. I have had little to gain from my statements other than making myself look like a raving lunatic.

It is easy for the many of us who are firm in faith to be tolerant of these things, and make light conversation of them, but in doing so we allow them to spread and deceive. If I did not have compassion for Christian I could sit idly by and leave him to his delusion, but because he is my brother I despair for him.

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Rowan / GODCENTRIC Christian Demoscene

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It is easy for the many of us who are firm in faith to be tolerant of these things, and make light conversation of them, but in doing so we allow them to spread and deceive. If I did not have compassion for Christian I could sit idly by and leave him to his delusion, but because he is my brother I despair for him.

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Rowan, this sort of talk is exceedingly cheap, like telling people they are in a cult, or have the spirit of antiChrist. It sounds impressive and proves nothing. The scripture in Galatians needs to be linked to the Gospel which those it was written to were delivered to, in order to define those Gospels which are 'another Gospel'. When I seek to do this here, people generally refuse to respond to the scriptures I quote, except to try and prove them wrong from elsewhere in the Bible. I think InsanePoet and I have reached some form of concensus on the issue we were discussing, but it is certainly true that when it comes to the core Gospel, not one person here is able to provide a consistent and meaningful explanation of the verses I have brought up here time and again. On the natural front, I am yet to hear why your Gospel, followed faithfully by me, had no power, and a false ( according to you ) Gospel came with evidence the Bible promises and transformed my life instantly. On every front, you have nothing but these vain platitudes with which to attack the Gospel I represent, and that being the case, your cause would be better served by silence.

I would like to know why you've left your first love though. Do you pray in the Spirit regularly ? Why do you regard this ability to be, if not worthless, then certainly not important ?

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"If I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
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Your scripture has nothing do do with the discussion.

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What do you mean ? To be honest, I think you just want to prove me utterly wrong at all costs, and I'm not up for fighting for the sake of it. My comments to Rowan included the statement that I think we've reached a point where we are essentially saying the same thing. If you still oppose scripture and claim that God causes bad things to happen to you,for whatever reason, I see no point in continuing to argue about it.