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lostreflections

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A couple of years back, I joined a small local drama group that slowly turned into a quasi theatre group. I have absolutely no acting skills, but this has provided me an outlet for my writing and my music. Even if it is just done for your families and community, it is rewarding to see a play you have written acted out.

A couple of years ago, one of my music buddies wrote a rock opera. It was pretty cool and got me thinking of doing something similar. Unlike a traditional musical where the cast is singing, I wanted the music and singing prerecorded and have the cast just acting out parts of the music and just have everything choreographed to the music. No speaking parts or anything for the cast.

I wont go into a full description of the rock opera and it is still untitled, but it would best be called a fantasy adventure .

I have finished the score and the soundtrack comprises of 9 songs, and it is roughly 45 minutes long. I play all instruments and provide the vocals (warns ya I can't sing. I sound like a donkey being sodomized). Recorded in my home studio using pro tools.

It would help if you could see what is supposed to be acted out to the music, but I wanted to post my 2 favorite songs and see what people think of them.

The first song is "The Journey" and it is #3 in the score. It has a 2 minute guitar solo towards the end of the song. I think the leadwork on this really has a Mark Knopfler feel, even the shuffle backing rhythm.

The second song is "The Death" and it is #8 in the score. It has some harmony guitar leads.

http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/geodegames/thejourney.zip 8MB
http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/geodegames/thedeath.zip 6MB

Regards,

Brice

nfektious
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Hey there! It took me a bit to get 'em with my super-fast 56K connection but I got 'em and I was impressed.
Of course it is a bit difficult to give an overall view on the songs out of their full context, but I must say I liked them.
I was wondering if you used any synth sounds at all? Just curious. My comments...
Journey: I think the guitar could use some processing. I think wah would be too much, but perhaps a touch of fuzz. I liked the tempo change - it worked well once I could tell where you were going with it.
Death: I liked the guitar(s) on this one. The sound of them is sorta what I think Journey could use, but not to the same degree as you used it here - there's an obvious intended difference in the 2 and I think you should try to keep that if possible. I also liked the piano on this one although I think it needed to be a bit brighter. The strings were a nice touch - do you think you should maybe intro them a bit earlier - but softly? Also I like the bells at the end - was subtle but effective.

Did you do any EQ on the 2? I know it's easy to overdo that but just curious. For a home recording it is pretty good imho.

[This message has been edited by Nfektious (edited November 26, 2002).]

D-SIPL

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Would have downloaded it, but the links don't work, same goes for the rapture thread (the link doesn't work), have you taken the files off?

--D-SIPL

MeanManInOz
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FWIW I have a couple of songs up at cgraus.customer.netspace.net.au if anyone is interested.
lostreflections

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>Would have downloaded it, but the links don't work,<

I generally will only keep something on my servers for 24 hours when I post it on a forum. In this case due to things going on at the house, they stayed close to 72 hours before I removed them from the server.

I am sorry, but I cannot afford the bandwidth to leave things up for indefinite periods for those who infrequently visit the boards.

D-SIPL

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Infrequent? nah, just busy at the weekend... would have liked to have heard your stuff. I'm involved in the music industry and dj at a few venues, so i generally have an interest in any original work.

I listen to yours MeanManInOz tommorow... i'll let you know what i think.

--D-SIPL

lostreflections

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quote:
Originally posted by D-SIPL:
Infrequent? nah, just busy at the weekend... would have liked to have heard your stuff.

Hehe, me too, thats why it stayed up so long. It pretty much sucked, you definitely aren't missing anything

Krylar

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Hiya,

Yeah...wish I could have caught this topic sooner...I'd love to have a listen as well!

I just put up my page a couple of days ago with some of my stuff. Everything from classical to goofy to metal.

http://www.krylarskreations.com/music

-Krylar

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Krylar

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MMIO: I enjoyed "Shine" a lot. Good stuff there

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lostreflections

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quote:
Originally posted by Nfektious:
Journey: I think the guitar could use some processing. Did you do any EQ on the 2? I know it's easy to overdo that but just curious. For a home recording it is pretty good imho.

On that one I was really shooting for a clean sound and my DeArmond through the amp really hit what I was aiming for.

As for the strings, they really coincide with what will be happening onstage.

The album is finished, and I have no plans to change anything.

As for the EQ, welcome to the world of MP3, the most detestable format for music ever. I generally only use the MP3 format for audio books, old time radio shows and sermon tapes, for music it is absolutely horrid, unless you use 48,000Hz and 320kbps. That is passable and barely knackers the sound. However, resulting files are too large for people to easily download

Believe it or not, on CD these sound really good, even on mediocre stereo systems. I am an old fart (can you say fart on a Christian board?) and really love the 70s & 80s rock, before all the wall of noise hit and where all genres of music have such a ton of low end. Mastering is a pretty individual taste, but if you go back and listen to the first album I did in the mid 80s, and listen to everything inbetween, you will see my sound has been fairly consistent, even though I write/play many styles of music.

I pretty much hate CDs as well, and I hate recording digitally. There is just no warmth or life to it like with analog. However, I somewhat get by this by running everything through tube preamps at final mixdown. It gives it more warmth. If the heads hadn't gone out on my 8 track reel to reel, I would still be using that, lol

D-SIPL

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quote:
Hehe, me too, thats why it stayed up so long. It pretty much sucked, you definitely aren't missing anything.

Yeh there wasn't many posts at the end of the weekend... where was everyone!! was the weather really that good. Actually it was pretty nice here in the UK for once. woohooo!!!

quote:
really love the 70s & 80s rock.

I love 70's rock. And i'm only 18 (born in '84, bet some of you feel old right now, uh? Lol ). My fave album has got to be Thin Lizzy Live and Dangerous... that has the most amazing guitar solo's i have ever heard. The guitarists were Scott Gorham and Brian Robertson, they also had Gary Moore, but he was too un-reliable! If you get a chance to listen to it.. do it!!

--D-SIPL

nfektious
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Point taken Brice. I hate mp3's myself - all they do is take up precious hard drive space.
In light of the facts (heheh) I like the stuff. EQ/Mastering is indeed all about personal tastes; glad to know that you are still at it for being an old fart though heheh.

I miss the old analog days myself. Back then recording and such actually took skill. Nowadays anyone can rip a CD. Not to degrade anyone or their skill - just stating the plain truth. Of course the digital technology can do some cool stuff, but there was a certain "feel" about analog audio that just can't be reproduced accurately with digital.

lostreflections

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quote:
Originally posted by D-SIPL:
born in '84, bet some of you feel old right now, uh?

Yeppers, I have four daughters right around your age.

Dick Wagner & Steve Hunter are the most underrated guitarists of the 70s. These two were awesome together.

c h i e f y

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quote:
Originally posted by Nfektious:
Point taken Brice. I hate mp3's myself - all they do is take up precious hard drive space.

I miss the old analog days myself. Back then recording and such actually took skill. Nowadays anyone can rip a CD. Not to degrade anyone or their skill - just stating the plain truth. Of course the digital technology can do some cool stuff, but there was a certain "feel" about analog audio that just can't be reproduced accurately with digital.


hey Nfektious what ARE you mumbling on about

a certain "feel" about analog audio that just can't be reproduced accurately with digital ???? LOL

I think you've got those rose tinted glasses on again right ??

I'm conjuring up images of a reel to reel tape recorder here 7 IPS - 3 IPS or 2 IPS right ?

which was the speed of cassette audio ? 3 ? can't remember but it's sentimental, not realistic to pretend analog has anything "special"

As for MP3s - you're probably right, I'm using about 30 in my current project, RED DWARF, AUSTIN POWERS, MAN FROM UNCLE, STEPS, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, tons more - but at the end of the day, a "user" will no doubt DISENABLE your "programmed music" within the first 3 bars, muttering "no way" as your finely tuned MP3 schedule is dismissed without a second's further thought, what's the point ? Might as well program all utilities with absolutely no music at all?

Hence your disdain for MP3s is backed up with sheer practical knowledge of user behaviour, they're pants, pointless and furthermore outdated

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nfektious
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quote:
I think you've got those rose tinted glasses on again right ??

LOL :P

not only are they tinted, they smell of roses as well :P

i think cassette speed was something like 1.5ips? i could be off as it has been years since all that.

consider this, chiefy: the original analog mastering process is more authentic sound reproduction imo. why does someone need to have a CD that reroduces audio frequencies that are out of range? how many people do you know that can hear the full audio spectrum (for humans i mean) anyway? why do manufacturers sell audio gear that can handle frequencies lower than 20Hz and beyond 20,000Hz? what is the point if it can't be heard?

i dunno - maybe my issue with digital is more an issue of technology than anything. progress is great, but i know i can't hear below 20Hz and there's no reason i'd want to feel the vibrations of any frequencies that low either. it's kinda silly to me - maybe i've mellowed out in my "old" age heheh

c h i e f y

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fair enough my friend

hey, you never do see those super reel to reels anymore do ya ??

I loved 'em so much, big problem with the heads though (similar problem nowadays with VCR heads) - they always accrued so much material from the magnetic ribbon passing over them and needed good thorough cleaning

I taped loads using the top 7 IPS speed and never used 2 IPS on any account

I still have tons of reel to reel tapes, that I have never even listened to since the late 1970s, goodness knows if they'd even still play - it would be nice to think they would, but LUCKILY I have so much to do, I just haven't got the time to even find out

regards Nfektious, nice talking to ya m8 !!


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