Even I have tried to program some programs with basic, I have never maked a game finished, because I had other thing to use my time in. Not until resentley, I have thought serious about going into the Game Development, because I feel God has given me a vision, using Computer Games and Programs, to proclaim the message of Jesus Christ, and a christian lifestyle. But - sure - I will make some secular games and programs, but my main focus will be christian games and programs. So I have alot of things to learn about Game Development and its business. The reason for I am writing this post, is that I need help, to find resources and information about Game Developement. F.ex. I do not know how the rules - acording Shareware - how they apply, and what I am suposed to do to sell my games as Shareware!(?) I do not know what I am suposed to do, to start getting into the business of Computer Games, and what is necesary to do, to get reckonized as a serious Game Developer and Designer!(?) And alot more questions, that I will ask when it becomes necesary. At the moment I am reading two books, one is called, "Game Design: The art & business of creating games" by Bob Bates. The other is called, "Game Design: Theory and Practise" by Richard Rouse. Two great books I - also - will reckomend, for everyone interestet in Game Design.

Sorry if this post became to long, but I am so excited to get more and more into the Game Developement Business, that I can't hardly wait, to see my first game finished, but I know I must be patient.

One more thing. It is great to see that there are other christians out there creating games. May God bless you all with supernatural wisdom and creativity!

Yours in Christ

Hallur Lisberg

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Not until resentley, I have thought serious about going into the Game Development, because I feel God has given me a vision, using Computer Games and Programs, to proclaim the message of Jesus Christ, and a christian lifestyle.

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FWIW it is my opinion that Christian gaming is an insular scene that does nothing to serve Christ. Someone is as likely to become a Christian from playing a Christian game as they are to become a Satanist from playing Diablo. The difference is Christian games being such a subset of the market, just like Christian music, in both cases they range from mediocre to woeful, with rare exceptions ( the Rez band spring to mind as a rare example of good Christian music ).

Anyhow, for all that, if you want to write games, you'll need to look into C++ and DirectX or OpenGL. www.flipcode.com is one resource on gaming info, nehe.gamedev.net ( from memory ) is another good one on OpenGL. If you decide on DirectX you won't be able to port to non-PC platforms, and you'll need to be careful what obok you buy, because there are so many versions of DX coming out so often that most books are at least somewhat obsolete. DX does give you access to sound, input, networking and force feedback as well though.

You should buy a book or two, as well as participating in forums where you can ask questions. I'd be glad to help with any C++ questions, but I don't know much about 3D graphics ( 2D image processing is my speciality ).

If you only want to play, if ease of use is more important to you than power, you may want to look at Blitz Basic. There's plenty of people here who can help you with that.

i'd be willing to help you and offer some advice..
as meanman says.. if you wanna do serious work.. DirectX and C++ is the way to go.. not because C++ is the best language but the most supported and documented in the game industry and www.flipcode.com is good
also [url] http://www.cfxweb.net/ [/url] is good..

I am member of a christian demo group called godcentric
[url] www.godcentric.com [/url] being danish you would know a bit about the demoscene.. if you go to our site, check out our manifesto.. basically why we exist and our priorities.. OUR PRIORITY is JESUS.. above any production..

we at Godcentric would be happy to get to know you as a friend..
Ee don't want to just get you into our group, for we believe that a house is build with wisdom and by God on good foundations, and if God hasn't called you to our vision then there is no point you being part of it, but if however God has called you to our vision, then we will become friends as we already are brothers in Christ, and out of relationship , and with God's enabling we will do exploits from Christ.

God Bless,

the effort of making a game is huge, requires alot of wisdom , skill and discipline... when one puts their hand to the task, its wise to count the cost and know its where God is leading you, so that you don't turn from the labors you started.. But i believe that God has birthed vision in many hearts here.. and some of those seeds may have fallen on bad ground, but some will have fallen on good ground, and though when a seed goes into the ground, the vision may seem like it dies, however God works where God works, and if its His vision, He will bring it to completion.. and that seed will sprout up and become a plant that bears much fruit..

all for the Glory of Christ,
who died for us, paid the price for our sins..

Karl

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Karl Prosser
Karl / GODCENTRIC
Klumsy / Surprise ! Productions.
ME / Redeemed by the Living God :)
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz
May God Bless you, he sure does me.

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if you wanna do serious work.. DirectX and C++ is the way to go.. not because C++ is the best language but the most supported and documented in the game industry

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I don't know if I've ever asked this, but why do you guys use Blitz ? I wrote games with it on the Amiga, but I've never understood it's sudden reappearance on the PC. Is it the same language as on Amiga, or just the same name ? Why do people use it ?

And just so we have something else to argue about, I have used a number of languages and IMO the best designed, most felxible and most powerful is deinfately C++ :-) :-) :-)

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Originally posted by MeanManInOz:
FWIW it is my opinion that Christian gaming is an insular scene that does nothing to serve Christ. Someone is as likely to become a Christian from playing a Christian game as they are to become a Satanist from playing Diablo. The difference is Christian games being such a subset of the market, just like Christian music, in both cases they range from mediocre to woeful, with rare exceptions ( the Rez band spring to mind as a rare example of good Christian music ).

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I do not agree with you on that, because I see that Computer/Video Games are a good tools, just like any other tool, to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. I do not know how many will be infulenced by computer games, but I know some WILL be infulenced and even saved through it, and that is good enough for me.

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You should buy a book or two, as well as participating in forums where you can ask questions. I'd be glad to help with any C++ questions, but I don't know much about 3D graphics ( 2D image processing is my speciality ).

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I have thought about that. Do you mabey have a suggestion about what book I should buy?

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If you only want to play, if ease of use is more important to you than power, you may want to look at Blitz Basic. There's plenty of people here who can help you with that.

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When I am thinking about using some of the modern BASIC languages, such as, BlitzBasic, PowerBasic, VisualBasic and DarkBasic. I was thinking about, mabey to start there, and then later go into C++ or any other language like that. I have not seen so much from C++, but it looks like it is not that hard, is that right?

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Originally posted by klumsy:
I am member of a christian demo group called godcentric
[url] www.godcentric.com [/url] being danish you would know a bit about the demoscene.. if you go to our site, check out our manifesto.. basically why we exist and our priorities.. OUR PRIORITY is JESUS.. above any production..

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This sounds very interesting, I will go and check your site, thank you. I remember that the demoscene in the old days of - especially - Amiga, it was Mega Demo Parties and - man - some of the demos were great. Astonishing graphics, sounds and music. We see very little to it to day on the PC Scene. But mabey there is, I just don't know about so many.

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we at Godcentric would be happy to get to know you as a friend..
Ee don't want to just get you into our group, for we believe that a house is build with wisdom and by God on good foundations, and if God hasn't called you to our vision then there is no point you being part of it, but if however God has called you to our vision, then we will become friends as we already are brothers in Christ, and out of relationship , and with God's enabling we will do exploits from Christ.

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As I said, I have not been looking at your site yet, but I will go and see it later. If my vision can be connected to your vision, it would be great, and I sure would like to know you better. But we will see. I will post again, when I have explored your site.

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the effort of making a game is huge, requires alot of wisdom , skill and discipline... when one puts their hand to the task, its wise to count the cost and know its where God is leading you, so that you don't turn from the labors you started.. But i believe that God has birthed vision in many hearts here.. and some of those seeds may have fallen on bad ground, but some will have fallen on good ground, and though when a seed goes into the ground, the vision may seem like it dies, however God works where God works, and if its His vision, He will bring it to completion.. and that seed will sprout up and become a plant that bears much fruit..

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Wow - such words of wisdom! I totally agree with you. And I sure hope that the seed God has planted within me, will be fruitfull and multiply.

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all for the Glory of Christ,
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Amen brother!

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Hope this helps!

--D-SIPL

I've been looking at your Godcentric Site. I read your manifesto and it sounds very interesting and serious. I like your vision and mission, and I sure want to know more about Godcentric - how to become a part of the vision etc. - if that is possible. I wish God's blessing upon Godcentric.

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(Prov. 4:7)

as far as the pcscene goes its quite active.. sometime the design and style isn't there like the old days (but also everybody expects so much more now.. i mean if you made a demo with graphics like say toy story, nobody would go wow anymore)... but there is sooo much potential, with computers these days , you can do anything and everything..

www.ojuice.net
is the demoscene portal ..
what computer hardware have you.. i can send a little '2000 centuary PC demoescene starter kit or something

Karl

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Karl Prosser
Karl / GODCENTRIC
Klumsy / Surprise ! Productions.
ME / Redeemed by the Living God :)
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz
May God Bless you, he sure does me.

I run a website for Blitz called BlitzCoder where there are tons of BB tutorials and the like. If interested, it's at www.blitzcoder.com. However, don't let that site distract you too much from here...okay??

-Krylar

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However, don't let that site distract you too much from here...okay??

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I shall try not to become to addicted to that site... (he, he)

I have looked at DarkBasic and it seems more difficult then BlitzBasic, so I will properly use more time to study BlitzBasic. At the moment I just try to look at the different languages and see what fits me best. I will even try to look at C++, but I don't know if that mabey is to difficult for me to start with!(?) ... I will find out, sooner or later.

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I sure would like to chat with you. When are you online? I will use MSN Messenger.

I am online after 19:00 (EMT), that is - I think - about 13:00 or 14:00 your time, if you are located in eastern USA!

Look forward to hear from you.

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"Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding."
(Prov. 4:7)