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Some doubts – JakeJohnson

JakeJohnson Junior Member Posts: 2 From: Holdrege,Nebraska,USA Registered: 12-20-2001	Lately I have been having some doubts about Christianity. I dont know if its because I have been around so many non Christians or what. But questions just keep popping into my head that I cant answer. It seems all religions in history cant ever have physical proof for their God, I am starting to see a pattern, bunch of people make up God, but not one can give physical proof. And how the bible said the world was created in 7 days when there is proof it was created over millions of years. Also all the fossils found that prove evolution. I am just having a really tough time right now, how do you handle all these questions, because I just cant ignore them anymore. Jake ------------------ None
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001	There are more online information resources regarding this subject than I can count. If you choose any one of the ones I'm about to list you'll probably do fine. There is an organization that is completly dedicated to showing others that evolution is wrong and that there is a creator. It is called the Institute for Creation Research. Their website is http://www.icr.org It's a good site, but I think that www.drdino.com is a bit better. But if you want quick, short facts disproving evolution, I reccomend you go here There are other resources too, but this should be plenty for now. †Caleb† ------------------ "True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."
InTheLight Junior Member Posts: 7 From: Amarillo, TX USA Registered: 11-11-2001	Well Jake, it seems you are where I was about 5 years ago. I reached a point to where I thought God was made up by people who were emotionally weak and needed something greater than themselves to believe in. I knew that if God existed then science couldn't contradict his existence because he would have been the creator of science as well as everything else. That was when I began getting very interested in physics, and ended up minoring in it in college. There are some very good books out there on the Bible and Science. One of my favorites was written by a man named Gerald Schroeder (I think). He is a former professor of nuclear physics at MIT, and he just happens to also be a Christian. I will see if I can find the title and also verify the author's name so that maybe you can find it at a bookstore somewhere. He gets into the 7 day creation thing and shows how the discrepancy between the 15 billion year old universe of science and the 5000 year old universe of the Bible no longer contradicted each other once Einstein gave us general relativity. Man I could go on for hours on this subject. There is also another book on evolution that I read that was written by a Harvard law professor whose specialization was on the formation of arguments. He approached evolution as if it were being tried in court and he totally blew it out of the water and exposed the propaganda that evolutionists don't want you to know. He caught some flak from some very well respected evolutionary biologists. I will try to get the info on that book as well. I'm telling you man, if you want to seriously approach this from an intellectual standpoint you won't be disappointed. I've already been down that road and I believe more strongly than ever because of it!!
JakeJohnson Junior Member Posts: 2 From: Holdrege,Nebraska,USA Registered: 12-20-2001	Thanks for the info guys. This really helps a lot. I just have so much moe to read before I can make up my mind. Jake ------------------ None
Ascent Member Posts: 64 From: Registered: 01-20-2001	As far as "7 days" vs "millions of years old" -- The best explanation I've heard was from my pastor. If you read in Genesis, God created lots of stuff and then God created man. Man was not created as an embryo (sp) or as a baby and "super sped up" but formed as man in God's image, and considering that he walked with God in the garden and named all of the animals, he was apparently not an infant, but formed fully grown. Thus, it shouldn't be hard to believe that something can accurately be dated as "millions of years old" when in reality it was all created in 7 days, a few thousand years ago. Does that make sense?? In other words, let's say a scientist looked at Adam as he naming the animals. In reality, Adam had only been in existence for a few hours or a few days or a few weeks, but science (by today's standards) would say that he was 30 (or 40 or 20 or whatever) years old -- and physiologically, that might be true, but he would have been around a much shorter time. i.e. God created man mature already, so why couldn't he have created the Grand Canyon matured as it is -- with what should/would take much longer. Dunno if I explained this well or not, but it makes sense to me. :) I can elaborate (I think :) if needed. -Greg
Johnny Member Posts: 16 From: California, USA Registered: 12-23-2001	I don't really waste my time trying to find scientifically logical explainations of God's existance. I tried that for a while, and eventually came to the conclusion that God is transcendent of all science. The only evidence he gives us is the Bible, and the only support we get is from eachother, and our own personal faith. I know man on Earth will never figure out what God is and how He works, but I am very certain that when judgement day comes for me, I will be before Him.
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001	No Johnny. We learn stuff all the time about who God is and how he works. Surely I don't need to explain this! †Caleb† ------------------ "True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."
Johnny Member Posts: 16 From: California, USA Registered: 12-23-2001	I know, but I'm talking for a scientific standpoint. We can't define God based on numbers and logic. That would be far too easy. I believe God is something you must know in your heart to truely understand.
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001	True, you cannot make mathematical formulas about God. And sometimes God does not appeal to human logic, but sometimes He does. God is very unpredictable at times. I'll give you that. However, the Bible is not the only evidence He gives that proves He exists. And I'm going to use the Bible to help prove it to you. Romans 1:18-20 (NIV) The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. PS 19:1-4 (NIV) 1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. 3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. 4 Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. You see, all of creation declares that there is a God. The fine detail and complexity of everything only does more to prove that it didn't happen by accident. It is plain for all to see, they don't need a Bible to know that there is a God. Science only works to further prove this. God is the master of science. He created gravity time, and all the other laws of the universe. †Caleb† ------------------ "True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."