Im probly leaveing this message board for a bit longer. Im going to see a Dr. who is probly going to scan my brain and what not. Tring to figure out why im in pain 24/7 and why I cant do much without it getting worss. I just hope he finds out what it is. I have been like this for about 4 years now and im not getting better. Still no one knows whats wrong. I dont care if there is a cure or not I just want to know what it is at this point. I want to know if its going to kill me or if it will just stay like this for the rest of my life. ^_^ hay maybe they can fix me.

Anyways thats alot of stress there and my B-day on sep 1 so im way messed up =) You peeps have fun... I'll be back unless I die or something

God Bless
Angel

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He says by his stripes you will be healed.. not might.. WILL. So have a little faith and good luck mate. Hope to see you back in the forum soon.

--D-SIPL

I get the occasional migraines, and that's bad enough for me. But contant pain like you are talking about - How do you put up with it?

Hope it goes well.

Revelator!

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sorry to say it mate, but aren't you a little pescimistic. I mean Jesus did die on the cross to heal you from all your pain and iniquities.

He says by his stripes you will be healed.. not might.. WILL. So have a little faith and good luck mate.

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Ummmmm, I'm not so sure about that. Try reading 1st Peter 2:24 (that's the verse that D-SIPL is referring to I think) in context. My NIV says "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed." I think the verse is referring to the healing change that happened to us when we became Christians. Note that it says "have been," which is past tense, not future.

I have no idea where you got the "will be healed" thing. I checked the KJV too and it doesn't say that.

God heals people when he chooses to heal people. If it were as you say, then this one friend I know wouldn't have to walk around with braces on his legs all the time. He's been prayed for fervently on 4 separate occasions for his legs to be healed, with no results. You see the thing is God has chosen not to heal him. But when he goes to heaven, you can be sure he'll be doing some serious dancing, reveling in his new legs!

An honest mistake I'm sure D-SIPL.

†Caleb†

It says we "have been healed", that means that we don't "have to" be ill because we have been healed. All we need is faith and we can claim our healing. Remember God cannot heal us unless we beleive and speak his word.

You also said "He's been prayed for fervently on 4 separate occasions for his legs to be healed, with no results."

In James 5:16 "...and pray one for another that you may be healed. The earnest (heartfelt, continued, fervent) prayer of a righteous man availeth much".

Just be faithful to God, and your friend will be healed, God doesn't want his children to be ill or diseased. What kind of Father would want that for there children.

Just a few thoughts!!

--D-SIPL

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Originally posted by D-SIPL:
It says we "have been healed", that means that we don't "have to" be ill because we have been healed. All we need is faith and we can claim our healing. Remember God cannot heal us unless we beleive and speak his word.

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Stop and listen to yourself for a second! "have been healed" is past tense. It doesn't mean that we don't have to be ill. It just means that we have ALREADY been healed of our sins. Don't try to make the verse mean something it doesn't. Perhaps there is another Bible verse that says that, but this one isn't it.

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Originally posted by D-SIPL:
In James 5:16 "...and pray for one another that you may be healed. The earnest (heartfelt, continued, fervent) prayer of a righteous man availeth much".

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That's a very good point. However please note that James didn't say to keep praying. He just said to pray. On the other hand, Jesus said to keep on asking, and it would be given to you. So I'm unsure on that point.

Also, my friend is neither ill or diseased. He just has trouble with his legs. In the same way, those who are blind aren't diseased or ill either, they're just blind. If you read the entire passage of James 5:13-16, you'll see that it's reffering to illnesses and diseases. Disabilities are not mentioned. So I'm not sure that the James verse you're giving applies to my friend.

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Originally posted by D-SIPL:
God doesn't want his children to be ill or diseased. What kind of Father would want that for there children.

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I don't know how to answer that. Consider this passage though.

2nd Corinthians 12:7-10 (NIV)
"To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.' Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."

Obviously, God allowed Paul to experience pain. It was for good reason though. Why couldn't the same be for my friend?

†Caleb†

"My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." - Jesus himself, Matthew 26:39. Right before he saved us all.

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." - Matthew 7:7-8

Get well soon, I am praying for you.

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That's a very good point. However please note that James didn't say to keep praying. He just said to pray. On the other hand, Jesus said to keep on asking, and it would be given to you. So I'm unsure on that point.

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Unsure of what? Isn't that what prayer usually is, asking for something?

Remember that praying is talking to God, and it's two ways - you talk to God by thinking/praying out loud/whatever you do, and God talks back through his word (the Bible).

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Also, my friend is neither ill or diseased. He just has trouble with his legs. In the same way, those who are blind aren't diseased or ill either, they're just blind. If you read the entire passage of James 5:13-16, you'll see that it's reffering to illnesses and diseases. Disabilities are not mentioned. So I'm not sure that the James verse you're giving applies to my friend.

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Jesus healed the blind - even those blind from birth - and yes, it is considered an illness/disease in the context of the Bible. Disabilities are a result of sin, just as all other diseases are.

Again thanks
God Bless
Azariah

I went to the doctor today, but that was just to get my ears syringed.
(My wife was complaining that I wasn't listening to her - and she was right - he he)

Revelator!

†Caleb†

PS: I'm praying for ya Azariah.

I have met people who think that if only you have enough faith, that God will heal you, but I have also met people who have lost family, friends, husbands, wives, and are very strong christians, as was the one who died. Generally, people who say that if you are not healed, you do not have enough faith, just get other people disapointed and dis-satisfied if they do not get healed, and personally, i think the whole "you WILL be healed" philosophy is wrong, and un-sound. From sin we have been saved, or healed, if thats the word, but not from physical pain, all the time.

About pain being the result of sin, well, in a way this is true, as before Eve and Adam sinned, there was no pain, as far as I can tell, but Jesus said specifically that it (pain or disabilities) was not the result of the person envolved sinning, didn't he? If not, i thought he did. Must check the gospels sometime....

Anyway, Angel, I hope your doctor-trip is successful, and it can be cured. Dont go and die on us yet. =)

MadProf

PS - i hope this doesnt get misunderstood!!!

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About pain being the result of sin, well, in a way this is true, as before Eve and Adam sinned, there was no pain, as far as I can tell, but Jesus said specifically that it (pain or disabilities) was not the result of the person envolved sinning, didn't he? If not, i thought he did. Must check the gospels sometime....

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Well, sometimes pain is a result of your own sin, and sometimes not. Here's the skinny on sources of pain.

If you're suffering...

Possible Reason #1: You could be being punished by God for a sin. This one really trips people up because they misunderstand it. They see God as some big judge looming over you just waiting for you to make a mistake so that he can zap you with lightning or something. This is not true. God is more like a parent. Imagine a little toddler. Now imagine that his parents would never discipline him when he stole a cookie from the cookie jar, or when he did anything else notty. How do you think the kid would grow up to be? He would be selfish, wouldn't follow any rules, and would just give everyone else a hard time. Just because he wasn't disciplined. What I'm trying to say is that parents discipline their kids to help make them better people, and it's the same way with God.

Solution to Reason #1: Repent of your sin and confess it to God. Ask Him for forgiveness.

Possible Reason #2: It could be that Satan is attacking you because, well, because he hates everyone and likes to make their lives harder. Satan also attacks you to keep you from doing things that would be good for you. The devil sometimes prompts people to say the hurtful things they do. The devil's voice sounds exactly like your own thoughts.

Solution to Reason #2: When the devil is attacking me I call on God for strength. Demons are more powerful than humans, but God is more powerful than everyone. It's nice having Him on your side. It's one of those perks of being a Christian. If you realize that a demon is somewhere around you, you can command it to leave in the name of Jesus (But only if you're totally committed to Jesus).

Possible Reason #3: It could be because of the actions or sins of someone else. Someone else could be having a bad day and then just take it out on you when you've done nothing wrong. Or perhaps the other person is really deep in sin and ends up hurting you in some form or way, intentionally or unintentionally. Bad things happen to good people.

Solution to Reason #3: Rely on God for strength. Remember that in heaven there will be no more pain or suffering (I REALLY look forward to that.)

That help?

†Caleb†

As for the cause of my pain it is more complicated. For one I know its not cuz of sin. So you can rule that one out. Then another thing is that about 4 years ago I was still in alot of my depretion and I might have asked for this sorta pain. I cant remmember cuz there was alot of bad things going on then. I wanted what I felt inside to be manifested phisicly on someone. That someone I didnt care who ended up being me. That is one idea... im not sure if I did that or not. Its probly more simple like I wanted to die but I couldnt kill myself cuz im a Christian. So things got really complex and it would take to long to go over my past vilont history and no one here wants to read a novel that makes no sence.

Anyways so why I still have pain and have not been healed. One reson could be that I think I disurve it. Another could be that I simple still want to die. An other could be that I dont really care at the momment and im to ticked off at the time to bother. Thats all ideas that I have come up with but im not sure if any of them even aplie to me.

Im the tipe of person that picks at everything to figure it out. Right now and for most of my life I have been picking at myself trying to figure out my limmits. I also pick at other things... like how much people can take of the truth. I have found that for the most part people dont want the truth about things. They just want to see there way. I dont want to get into that right now.

Im probly not going to be back here for a time cuz I want to go and find something new to play around with. This place has been alot of fun but I think ive overstayed...

I will still be working on games and hopefully ill be getting TrueSpace soon so I will be doing 3D modleing yet again So to all of you its been fun and I hope to see you all in Heavan.

Till later
Azariah

--D-SIPL

Although God does punish, there's other reasons for suffering - he may allow us to be tested, so we can see how weak we are as Christians, and grow in faith in him.

And many times, it's simply a consenquence of our sinful nature - we're causing ourselves pain.

Being a Christian is a battle for all of us; the forces of evil are real, and we have to deal with it every day.

Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"

Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--"

Romans 5:19 "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."

Romans 3:21-24 "But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."

1 Peter 4:12-19 "Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you.
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But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed.
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If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.
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If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler.
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However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.
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For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
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And, "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"
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So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good."

1# I used to spend 5-6 hours a day doing nothing but reading my Bible.

2# I dont care what others have to say much less there own riligius bull.

3# If you really wanted to help you would pray and stop critisizing. We are to bring people up not constintly think we are being a help with our own hipicriticul bull crud.

4# I know what my problom probly is. Its as simple as I spent most of my life alown in a corner and getting the hell beaten out of me that I was so fliping depressed that I wanted this to happen to myself to exspress myself more vividly to the ignorant popules that the way that they treat others in not exseptibul and that they have no love for anyone but themselfs and that I have had so much pain in my life that many of the people that know me have said my life compared to others is hell and that no one disurves to be treated the way I was even my own flipen step mom told me herself that I was brout up with good morles but no love so if you think that posting alot of scripture is going to make things so simple and make it so right you need to get yourself a checkup cuz all that most people do with that is turn people away from Christ and anger them!

I am not saying im the only one with this problom infact there are many but really honistly if you want to be of help pray for Gods will in my life and not your own and dont preach to me cuz I dont care for it

So now that you have gotten my strate thoughts you now know why I drop of the net and seek new Christians to be around ever half a year. Its cuz I get so board of hearing the same crud and Im so sick of people pointing fingers befor thinking what a person really needs.

I used to spend all my time on www.ChristianChat.com where Christians did other things but I was willing to put up with it for a year or so. They would call me things and preach there heads off to me just becase of my handle. BloodChild witch happens to mean Blood of Jesus Child of God. Then another one was GothicClown19. Hens another things many Christians like to atack anything that dosnt fit there church exactly. The reason for the name becase I love Christian Gothic music. Why cuz it uplifts my soul. And whats the first thing they do... they start that its evil bla bla bla bla the norm crud that seems to be nothing but the Christian susity that I have known. They say that it is based on darkness oh well im sorry but if you want to get all Biblicul about it the Bible ses that the Lord all MIGHTY dwells in thick darkness so if you dont mind bug off.

So what am I trying to get at with this long bud complaint. Simple if anything from my exspearince with other Christians, people, and all the crud they have pulled on me even thow Im one of there own brotheren and human I ask that they lurn to shut there mouths and pray more. Just pray for crying out loud. Do you really think you can change a persons mind that you really dont know. Well if so let me let you know that it wont work in my case. The only one that changes my mind is God cuz im one of the most stubern pain in the kneck people you could ever meat.

Oh ya and for thows of you that are curios I dont know if im comeing back or not. Maybe if something strikes my interst again I may come back. For the time being I have had a head ake for the past 2 weeks and I want to spend time with friends and famly.

God Bless you all and may He lead you strait into His loveing arms.
Azariah Kelsey "Angel"

[This message has been edited by Angel (edited September 11, 2001).]

†Caleb†

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I love Christian Gothic music.

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What groups do you listen to? I listen to alot of Christian goth music too

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Classical
Piano music
Christian worship/praise (contempary)
Christian Rock
Christian Goth
Christian Metalcore
Christian Holy Metal

Awesome stuff!

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Originally posted by Angel:

Im probly leaveing this message board for a bit longer. Im going to see a Dr. who is probly going to scan my brain and what not. Tring to figure out why im in pain 24/7 and why I cant do much without it getting worss. I just hope he finds out what it is. ....

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Angel,
Drop us an Email or a short post with any news so that we can be praying. I'll send you an email in a week or so.

Lord, we recognize your power ... and we tremble in awe! I earnestly pray that you completely heal Angel's health issues, all of them. We give you the glory for that. -Amen

-Tim

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what next christian happy hardcore (without having to pop some e's).

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Don't knock it until you try it (the music types I listed), it's awesome stuff.

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