Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Alot of people have come to Krylar regarding my sig graphic (that you see below). If you have complains about it, post them here or e-mail me, don't bother Krylar with them. Thanks, Mack ------------------ |
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I find it rather damaging to our image as Christians to see swearing on the message boards. Also, saying that "Jesus Loves Kicking Demon ***" implies that Jesus takes joy in pouring out destruction on others, even if it is a demon. This is not who we are or represent as Christians. I ask that this kind of thing be removed from the boards, please. †Caleb† |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Are you stating that Jesus doesn't love dwelling out holy-wraith on satan and demons? Go read the book of Revelation and skim through parts of the New Test. If you want some really good gory/distrubing stuff go read some of the stuff that went on in the Old Test. that God said A-ok to. If you want I'll gather up all the info and post it on here. The Christian world isn't all candy coated wonderfulness, Jesus walked the earth with a group of society rift-rafts kicking demon ass and preaching the Word. I think man has just blocked out all the strong stuff and created a "happy happy" land for everyone to play in and have no problems. We need to get realistic. There is a battle raging all around us, light verus darkness, God verus satan, Angels verus demons, all the time, it's going on right now in our houses, our schools, our church's, our towns / cities, our families. I'm seeing a uprising of acceptance and wide spread use of cults and satanism all around me. It's growing in children, the youth, and adults, no one can pick a pacific group of people, it grows in all of them. Satan uses everything he can to get people to turn away from God, everything is a tool, so we should also use everything as a tool against him. We can use the radio, music, TV, and the computer as ways to attack satan. He uses them against us, why should we sit back and say "oh well, another satan worshipping page against Christians is up" we should start cranking out web pages, make our mark on everything and impact society. We are already using these tools, but we need to be more hard hitting, strong, grab the person right out of there seats. Evil is like a tree, you cannot kill the tree by cutting off it's braches, it will grow back the same way it was before, the seeds will come out and take flight, and more tree's will grow. Making our problem much worse. You need to attack the problem at it's root, uproot the tree, the tree dies, no more braches, no more seeds, no more problem(s). Plain and simple, we need to attack the roots. We need to attack Satan, make his feel how we feel when he attacks us. Of course we'll never kill Satan, but we can make him and his army hurt bad and get him to back off, keep our guard, with the power of God we CAN do this. Thats what we're doing. Alot of people don't like it because they are comfortable in the candy coated sugar laced happy happy land where nothing goes wrong and satan doesn't exist or is rarely talked about. I'm sick of it and I'm slamming my fist down, freedom of speech, freedom to express myself, freedom to advertise, I can't wait to see/hear satan and his demons burning in that lake of fire forever.
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Inner Member Posts: 32 From: Christchurch, New Zealand Registered: 02-09-2001 |
uhmm strong words there, yes we do need to do these things, but it's not our job to fight satan directly, it's our job to inform the world of what we believe to be right and true, and the faith of what is coming, and I tell you this now, we've never been more close to it in human history, everything in Reverlation seams to be falling into place like a jigsaw puzzel, and it's all happening under our noses, yet we do nothing but sit back and watch it happen, there is apart of me that welcomes it, mainly because I want to get off this free floating asteriod that we call earth, but another see the seriousness of what is happening and I feel that if ever there was a time for the christian gospel to be spoken to all the corners of the earth it is now, I still have a long path to go with my walk towards those pirly gate. I partly disagree with that 'Sig' and partly don't, I agree that there shouldn't be any swearing in it, that is forsure, based on, Ex:20:7: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Anyway other than that, maybe quoting important scripture at the end of your 'Sig' might be a better course of action. |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I didn't use the Lord name in vain |
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Yeah, I know, there isn't anything in the Bible that I could find that is against that type of swearing. However, as I said before, it damages our Christian image. Many, many people view that type of swearing as wrong and offensive. Now, seeing as the word itself does not glorify God, we should be courteous to other people and not use that type of language, even if it isn't morally wrong. Here, I have a Bible verse that indirectly applies to what I'm saying. Romans 14:14-16
†Caleb† |
Inner Member Posts: 32 From: Christchurch, New Zealand Registered: 02-09-2001 |
yes I agree, I believe that even now God wishes for Satan to repent for his sins agist him, but I don't think that is going to happen, I don't think he takes any pleasure in destorying his creations, lets not forget a 3rd of heaven angels went with satan, and they are also Gods creation too. |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I promised Krylar that this wouldn't turn into a flame war and I know by experiance that this thread is heading there fast. Thus I've changed my sig graphic to what you see now for the current time being! enjoy. [This message has been edited by Mack (edited February 21, 2001).] |
Spencer Junior Member Posts: 2 From: Registered: 02-23-2001 |
Alright you two, let me settle this. You are right that in Romans 14:14-16 it clearly states that if someone believes something is wrong, then it _is_ wrong to them. But get this, in Germany, there are no censorship laws. Girls go around topless to get a tan, in public areas. There is nothing wrong with that there, no one has a problem with it because it it part of their culture. Now if someone did that in America, people would be like "Dude whats wrong with you?!?" In Germany, the very born again Christians under the same Christ as you and I buy magazines with photos that contain nudity. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that you see, because in Germany they grow up with it, it is not a big thing to see nudity. Here, it is a deal and most Christians try to avoid it altogether in fear of 'letting their minds... drift.' Now, what I'm saying here is that God doesn't look down on the Germans, or consider their 'nudity' issues a sin, because it isn't frowned upon by their community, it is part of who they are. Mack here is has a graphic word in his signature, well big deal my friend, big stinkin deal. Just because he has that in his signature, or maybe he even *oohs and ahhs* has said it, doesn't make him any less of a Christian you or me. Alright, he is using the word in its correct context. In the bible, the word 'damn' is used several times, and there is nothing wrong with it because it is used in the right situation. Mack used the word 'ass' in somewhat of the right context (hehehehe) and to promote a good cause. Now even though some of you may look down upon it, it doesn't make it wrong. You aren't the deciding factor here, and neither am I. God is. And although I choose not to use graphic language, and I do not like it when others use it in excessiveness, I feel that the way it is used in Mack's sig is perfectly fine. It does not give Christians a bad name, and to many people it is an 'okay' word to use (unlike others [ie f*** and s***... 4 letter words]). And besides, in _my_ opinion, I think he christian gaming community needs something new. I'm sorry folks, although you are working for a good cause, people over 14 years old aren't going to buy Goody-Good 'Get the Animals on Noahs Ark' games. If we want to spread the word through computer games, we are going to have to make something that appeals to our older audience. We have to have a hardcore shoot-em-up game that carries a powerful message. Maybe in the credits or something you could put in a prayer or something... ya know? !!!AND!!! if anyone wants to get _REALLY_ technical, he didn't even use the word in his signature, he used "@$$", not 'ass.' Anyways, thats what I think... hope I put some minds to rest on that issue. |
joeG Member Posts: 90 From: OK, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Spencer, I've heard "horror" stories of Germany's "Index." So, technically, they do censor the written form of freedom of expression. But saying that a culture chooses their own morality implies that God looks down in favor of that culture's moral code is incorrect (being gentle here...). In effect this is changing the rules of the game because they don't suit your tastes (aka wants, lusts, etc...). Some rules/conditions are explicitly stated in God's Word. These include the sins enumerated in Revelation 21:8. It reminds me of the old American proverb: "God helps those who help themselves." There's really no basis for that proverb or for saying that God is a respecter of Culture. You've taken what little Scripture you've based your assumption on and bended it to justify Germany's current spiritual condition. I don't think that's what God did for Sodom and Gommorah. But on the other hand God did send Jonah to a people who "did not know their left hand from their right" (spiritual ignorance) to save them from destruction. But Germany is not ignorant of the Gospel or the laws of God, and that, therefore, is where I find your statement lacking basis from the Word. You're right Christian gaming does need something new, but if we choose to pursue an ethical code thinly seperated from secular gaming's ethical code, we lose our opportunity to spread the Gospel, because there will be nothing different between the world's games and the ones we make. One of the most effective tools for spreading the Gospel that I've seen or heard of is a believer's daily life. If they are different (walk in the Spirit versus in the flesh) then people take notice, and the Holy Spirit does His work (convicting the world of sin, righteousness and judgement). If we are no different then the world there is no potential for the Holy Spirit to use our lives in spreading the Gospel. Biblical basis: "Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the body of Christ" (in more words or less) Ephesians 4:29. Then there is this principal of walking in unity in such a way that you do not cause a brother or sister to stumble in their walk with God. We do this out of love for one another. The Christian Way is a hard one, there is an easier way, but that way is called the Road to Destruction. These roads are made to be different. It is part of a Christian's call to make sure that the road they take is the higher one, despite the snags and hard places that there are to cross. Yet it is possible.
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Inner Member Posts: 32 From: Christchurch, New Zealand Registered: 02-09-2001 |
I couldn't have said it any better |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I'm not going to let this thread turn into a flame war just for my freedom of speech on the fact that I have a overwell very strong agression/hate towards satan and I'm advertising that agression in various creative ways. I'm going to let the game talk when it comes out and express itself, now stop beating each other with your Bibles and be good boys. ------------------ |
joeG Member Posts: 90 From: OK, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Mack, I think no one here has a problem with beating up the devil! Including me! joeG |
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Mack, I don't think this is a flame war. We're not trying to put anyone down, we're just discussing what is right. It's important that we are set straight on our issues so that we don't unwittingly lead others the wrong way. †Caleb† |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I didn't say this is a flame war, I said I don't want it to turn into one. I've just been spiritual squashed for almost 10 years (a couple of months after I became a Christian it started, people mocking and trying to "correct me" and the such, however just recently I managed to get away from the Church and Church people that we're doing it to me) and I get defensive when people start trying to "correct" what I think is expressing myself. We're all fighting the same enemy, why fight among each other on how we do it. I made the choice to cover up the word ass (as you see, it's spelt @$$) because I knew it wasn't the proper wording for it, but I couldn't find a strong hard hitting word to replace it, what am I suppose to put: Jesus Loves Kicking Demon butt rump! Jesus Loves Kicking Demon hinee! Jesus Loves Kicking Demon toosh! It doesn't have the bite to it, if you can find a better replacement word that just has the same or more (even better) bite or strengh to it then tell me and I'll replace it. I tested the ad among all our employee's, also people who send me e-mails about TGS, I also went on some random message boards and posted it on the anti-Christian threads and I got tons of responces (some good, some bad) asking about Christianity and why I'm so different from the rest, why I'm so agressive in my walk with Christ and hatred towards satan. Quote from one girl: ---------------- Mack!! From what you said you believe exactly the way I do Jesus Rocks! I have been so scared to say that here for so long because I thought people would think that I was judging them for what they believe....i'm not...i just want EVERYONE to know what Jesus did for me!!!! He is EVERYTHING to me....thank you for reading this....please consider asking Jesus into your heart as Mack and I did...it doesn't make life a ---------------- So I basically stero-typed you guys to the people that spiritually squashed me, that was wrong. I was expecting you all to freak out running towards me with your pitchforks and torches screaming "burn him! burn him!" Say No to Religion: What? No religion? Isn't a belief in God mean a person is Frankly, yes. God is not religious. Religion is something people made up. History is full of bloody acts and wars in the name of religion. But hasn't Christianity been a big part of this misery? Religions calling themselves Christians have, sure. Hitler used But there is something more and more people are realizing. If you are seeking and really want to find the truth about life, Wait a second! To be a Christian I would have to believe in The bible actually says you must receive Christ into your heart. Oh, the Bible, huh? There's a lot of books out there about God. Yes, there are lots of books out there and people who will tell In 2nd Peter 1:20 it says, "Above all, you must understand that The bible also says we can have a personal relationship with It can't be that simple! But it is that simple. Religion says it is not simple. Religion I was raised in a religious atmosphere when I was a kid. Go get a copy of the Bible. There is a short book called Mark Just honestly ask Jesus to come into your heart. Just like you Ask God to help you meet other real people like yourself. Look
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Inner Member Posts: 32 From: Christchurch, New Zealand Registered: 02-09-2001 |
yes I know that feeling quite well, I can't explain my walk with christ really, it's just something that happened, something likened to my children being born and seeing them for the frist time, I can't explain the feelings I had because there are no words in any language to say how I felt at the time, because it was more than language, and so is the same with my walk with christ. |
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Whew! That was a long post! I just wanted to say Mack, that was awesome. I love your testimony. But my question still remains: Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus enjoys pouring wrath on demons? I know that it says he will pour wrath on them, lot's of it. And it is said numerous times in the Bible too. But never have I seen a verse that says God takes pleasure in pouring wrath on anyone, even demons. It'd be really helpful if you could point it out to me. †Caleb† PS: What is that thing in the picture you put on your last post? Is that thing a heart where his head is supposed to be? |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
quote: I'm still trying to get my PC Study Bible to work, I might just download the demo and look up some stuff for you. I basically made an assumption, the Bible speaks so much about rejecting/hating satan, almost like you should have a passion (since it's mentioned so many times) to hate him and his ways. Passion of hating satan = love of hating satan = different things you can do to make satans exsistance that much more painful/annoying on him. I was orignally going to make another plain Hardcore Christian gaming sig because Krylar said my last one flashed too much. Then just before I uploaded it I looked up and saw one of the many spiritual warfare books I own and the idea (to me) was so great that it felt like it hit me like a ton of stone. I never finished something so fast before. If I thought it was bad then I would have either felt something wrong or I would have never posted it on the net. Thats the way God works with me, either I feel it's bad or I just don't do it, I get different feelings when it's satan trying to influce me, when he does it, it feels like an annoying constant pressure not to do something which I know would do good. When I created and posted the sig I felt good, it was like an open slam against satan following me around and it made a clear message, God is a God of Love, but he is also a warrior (now I know it says that in the Bible, I'm going to find that verse) who doesn't play around when it comes to kicking serious satan/demon butt. If you we're a father, and some evil person tried to manuplate your kids into doing something wrong (like doing drugs or killing people), and he wouldn't leave them alone and he would constantly harrass them for days, weeks, months, years, wouldn't you be happy to take a baseball bat up against his head and make him pay? I sure would, I'm not compairing myself to God and saying "Because I would do this God would do it to" but also remember that we're all made in His image, and He really dealt out the punishing in both the Old and New testments towards not only satan and demons, but to the people that worked with them (warlocks, etc.). I'm even considering doing T-shirts with different slogans/symbols on them for myself. A great webpage to check out is: http://hem.passagen.se/evamari2/war/ Also: the image is of a person playing the instrument but also headbanging to the music he is playing. The person has long hair and a red light is on them so I guess you could see a heart in there. ------------------ |
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Ohhhh, ok, now I see it. It took me a minute to figure that picture out. Cool. What are those cuts that guy has on his chest? The best online Bible search engine I've ever seen is at crosswalk.com. It has 20 different english translations of the Bible, including the New Living Translation, which by the way, happens to be the best (IMHO). They also have Bibles in Arabic, French, German, Italian, Russian, and Spanish! There are commentaries, concordances, Bible dictionaries and more! And it's all online and completely free! I highly reccomend using it. Just click on "Bible Study Tools" when you get to http://crosswalk.com Yes, you heard me, I said the NLT is the best. I used the NIV for years until I got the New Living Translation. I like it a lot better. It's more understandable, and more accurate. Go check it out! †Caleb† |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
quote: I've owned the NLT for a while, my girlfriend got me hooked on it, then my pastor started using it, it's a good Bible and you can understand alot of stuff in it. Not to poke to much fun at KJV and NKJV but: Begger: *thinks to himself: if thee just touch-ith his cloak-ith thee will be healed-ith from-ith this sickness-ith *begger touches Jesus* Jesus: Hmmmmm? *turns around* Why-ith you touch-ith me-ith man-ith (well knowing why) Begger: Thee think-ith that-ith if thee just-ith touch-ith your cloak-ith that-ith Thee be-ith healed-ith Jesus: Thou's faith has healed thee Begger: Woop-ith! Jesus kick-ith butt-ith!
The guy is wearing a shirt and tank-top thats partly messed up. ------------------ |
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Why is his clothing the color of his skin? †Caleb† |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
quote: 1) Animated gif's default have 256 colours and you can adjust the quality from low to high 2) Red light on person ------------------ |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Just so this thread doesn't take a century to load I'm just going to link the "Battle Jesus" ad instead of posting it, it's 508k, wait for it to load to get the best results. http://www.twoguyssoftware.com/battlejesusad.gif [This message has been edited by Mack (edited February 26, 2001).] |
Spencer Junior Member Posts: 2 From: Registered: 02-23-2001 |
Dude don't argue with these guys, they will spank you with bible verses and extremely long posts that you briefly skim over and go.. "oh..kay.." I know you all are good n stuff.. but dang.. lay off the cafine |
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I like the long posts. It's good that we have discussions like these, they let us set things straight about what we believe and we sometimes learn some cool new stuff spiritually. †Caleb† |