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O well wrong place to post it seems.{edit}
Well many bring down posts but mainly mods. It's like someone telling me why I open my mouth and if someone asks me something to always say something nice despite that itís not fully true, almost like a 1/2 lie. I would rather say the truth which is harsh than lie which makes them feel good. But in the end the truth will set them free since they benefit more from it. People that like to be lie to are generally hurting themselves and are weak, despite that they never admit it. I am not talking about insults which are bad, or encouraging which is good but the reality of what should be said. You donít see Donald Trump telling everyone they are hired on TV to be nice and then later on getting rid of them off camera. Imagine if Christ said thing to please people than say the truth? We would have a backwards bible kind of like how we have today backwards societies and backwards people. As Christ said ď8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.Ē And people will still misunderstand the original meaning because people are taught to pander.

The saying freedom of speech is to be able to let another side speak to find the truth. Even things that are the most important to us are questioned by many and we don't mind. But you have to watch out for the people that feel offended to be questioned since they have a lot of false things they present and have every reason to restrict. Some people attack a person that speaks as freedom of speech but that kind of speech is against freedom of speech since it discourages others from speaking freely. The freedom that we are taught now is to encourage what is bad, and use a twisted for of freedom of speech to be used to make jokes or attack others irrelevant and untruthfully which many see that as good.

You see movie critics attacking what is good and even the Spartan movie got bad ratings not because of the distorted historical portrayal but because of the honorable things done since most people are taught to be cowardly and pander to complainers, or communistic ideology of equality. We are all seen an equal to God but most are going to hell. I know some people crying on that notion but those people sin by lying and they are use to pandering to non Christian views since the society influences people to do non Christian views weather people believe it or not.

ďMat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.Ē Many people want to present the opposite, to think that the gate is wide and everyone will go in which is deceptive to peoples salvation.

I see many people non Christians and especially Christians they fall into these traps and get persuaded with backwards logic, and encouraged by other backward people. You can almost say that ignorance is an epidemic and the cure is better education. Too bad the education system gets worse every year and the entertainment industry like movies music and games that do us more harm gets advanced every year. We live in a backwards world which even Christians help spread atheism and other religion unknowingly or of foolishly.

I post this is for a few reasons which I canít say since many people are not allowed to see certain things in CCN which are only for mods lol, but I have stated to mods before but they do not have the power or time to prevent some things. And the power they do have they act from lack of information, but thatís ok too since they are getting paid and have more important things to do. But the thing they should be good at is not to pander and should listen.

Any misunderstanding or confusion? Probably but if you see things negative thatís because you are negative. People that think they are attacked is because they see others in a negative light and expect others to see them the same way they see others.

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Yeah, people can be sensitive. There's a time to be blunt, and a time to be kind. It takes discernment, I think.

That Spartan movie(300) - it wasn't exactly the cleanest one I ever heard about... but isn't it wrong to criticize other Christians for watching it? There's always going to be different viewpoints on things like that.
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Sure everything to moderation Laz.
Well we shouldn't encourage people to be more sensitive. Society did that and now they push for that being gay is ok and its discrimination to say it wrong. Sooner or later polygamy will be seen as normal or now some not get married to their pets be seen as normal since people donít want to offend anyone not even to offend the devil so people cater to the devil.

Since you didn't answer the last time, if I tell you laz that you post too much do you feel I insulted you? To some that might sound like a compliment to some an insult but the fact is that you do. It's not an insult if someone said it to me and doesn't seem like to you but others feel offended about the reality. Black people are black is that racist? Women are generally weaker than men is that sexists? Gay commits sin is that hateful? Gamblers are sinning. There are going to be a lot of people that feel offended by those comments and there are going to be a lot of people that bend over and cater to there complaining.

Is this a nice comment to say ďNor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.Ē Most non Christians think Christians are bigoted, racists, and hateful. Many Christians take secular view like that.

I did not criticize Christians that saw the movie 300, where did I say that? I am saying how most movie critics give it a bad rating for the wrong reasons. Now watch some people come out like clock work to complain, unless me pointing it out first discouraged them.

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"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance" Mat
"have we not prophesied in thy name?... depart from me, ye that work iniquity."Mat
:pI may be outnumbered but not out gunned.

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I think Laz makes a good point.

One of the biggest problems I have with people telling me what I should or shouldn't watch or play, is that they usually do the exact thing or even worse. Now that doesn't mean I shouldn't listen to what they say, but it kinda brings down the legit-ness about it doesn't it?

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Gamblers are sinning. There are going to be a lot of people that feel offended by those comments and there are going to be a lot of people that bend over and cater to there complaining.

I'm just curious where in the Bible that is explicitly stated. I'm not trying to defend gambling, but I've never seen it explicitly stated in the Bible that gambling is a sin, and yet so many people condemn it.

In your original post, you said that if I see something as an attack, it's because I have a negative view of people. If someone punches me, and I am thus attacked, does that mean I have a negative view of people? Or maybe a recent event will have some significance? Such as when America was attacked on 9/11. That was an attack, but according to what you've said, we only make it into an attack because of our perception. Or, staying closer to the context, someone tries to bring me down by saying that I'm unable to be depended on, but I've always been fully dependable, is that not an attack regardless of my perception? You speak at length that reality is absolute, yet here you say that confusion and thinking that something is an attack is purely subjective. That doesn't seem like an issue of perception, that seems like contradictory claims.

I hear you, Lava. It's not exactly favorable to outrightly condemn some form of media, and, more accurately, those who subject themselves to it. It's good to be aware of what inappropriate content is in some element of media, and to share that info with others, but it's not really reasonable to say something like, "Thou shalt not watch 300." (For the record, I don't recall Warsong ever saying that explicitly.)

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Probably but if you see things negative thatís because you are negative. People that think they are attacked is because they see others in a negative light and expect others to see them the same way they see others.

Take your own advice.

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Lava
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I hear you, Lava. It's not exactly favorable to outrightly condemn some form of media, and, more accurately, those who subject themselves to it. It's good to be aware of what inappropriate content is in some element of media, and to share that info with others, but it's not really reasonable to say something like, "Thou shalt not watch 300." (For the record, I don't recall Warsong ever saying that explicitly.)


Yeah, I think it takes alot of boldness to tell people what is bad for their lives, if they honestly believe it. And people should do it, not beat people over the head over it or do it in a self-righteous way. But what irritates me is when they are hypocrites.

That's 2 of the problems with people when they tell others what they should do:

1. They do it or something worse or similar themselves

2. Or they do it in a self righteous way. Instead of saying "this is bad for you" in LOVING WAY, they act as if they are the only one who hears from God.

But actually, I have found that when *you* don't want to do what your friends do, you'll get more criticisim then when you tell them what they should or shouldn't do. I think people's actions speak so much louder than words.

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The bible comments about that, saying to do follow what they say and not to do what they do. The point is no one is perfect but the words to help you.
Depends on how it is said and thought. Christians find righteous while secularists find Christ in every negative way possible to make you puke, and thatís an obvious attack. There is a difference from insults to attack and truth to help. Also the context presented which is harder to present though typing it. When you tell others something do you think you are righteous all the time? Is that how you see others?


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Well why LA is called the city of sin. Lol well here is one link about gambling. If you want to talk about it more maybe have a post about it. http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=247 and http://www.gotquestions.org/gambling-sin.html
As one site says ďIf you must suffer loss in order for me to gain, then we're doing something wrong.Ē

Thatís a different form of attack and now you are playing with words and taking it out of context. Lol If you seriously donít understand it then you have to understand the fine line. If someone said you are not dependable then think that they are joking. Itís like if someone said your yellow pencil will turn red hot from writing fast does that mean itís actually red? And will you insult them by call them blind that the pencil is still yellow? Obviously not!
If everything was very simple to explain everyone would be a rocket scientist at age 10. Now I hope you donít take that as an insult as well. Lol

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Salvation comes from work not faith alone."faith without works is dead"James
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance" Mat
"have we not prophesied in thy name?... depart from me, ye that work iniquity."Mat
:pI may be outnumbered but not out gunned.

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First of all, Las Vegas is the "city of sin," not LA.

However, that's not important. What I wanted was for you to directly answer my question with your own studies. I can research things if I want. I'm not a proponent of gambling, but I wanted to see you back your words with Scripture.

There were three different forms of attacks there. Physical/personal attack. Physical/emotional/plural attack. And emotional/personal attack. Apparently I'm not as intelligent as a ten year old because what you've said makes no sense. If someone is attacking me, then they are attacking me. Plain and simple. I can take things out of context, but the illustration you give does nothing to help you sound more reasonable. "If someone said you are not dependable then think that they are joking." But I have been told that I can't be depended on in spite of my utter dependability. That wasn't a joke when it happened, there was absolutely no room to doubt that (when someone is yelling at you/chewing you out, it's pretty clear that it's not a joke). How does anyone gain from me taking it as a joke if it is a legitimate attack?

Please, explain this to me so I can become a ten year old rocket scientist.

EDIT: By the way, I find it unlikely that any of the mods here are paid. I am/have been a mod on some other sites, and there was no money to be made. As addressed in one of your other threads, it's probable that everyone is here out of a service of the heart, not because there's money to be made.
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When you tell others something do you think you are righteous all the time? Is that how you see others?


It depends, when you win a race do you think that you're faster than everyone else or that you just got lucky?

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Thanks for the correction which I means Vegas.
The points from scripter are on the link. You want me to quote everything?

If someone called you an oriental person did they mean it as an attack? What if they didnít know that it means for objects? What if they do? You get the difference? So there are 4 different forms. To say something bad and it means bad, to say something good and it means good, to say something good and it means bad, and to say something bad and means good.

Ever heard of the saying that goes something like ďthe one that makes you happy is not to help you, the one that makes you cry wants to help youĒ? If you want as to take drugs and your friend says here you do and you say thanks friend your such a good friend for helping me out than being like my mom thatís says NO! Do you think bad of the doctor if he says you will die if you keep up smoking? Does he think you are bad or evil? Are people that say you shouldnít smoke think that they are holier than you?

Did you hear me yelling? Now like there is audio here lol. And obviously mods are not paid who said they are? Again you are taking things the wrong way. Also again I know that people post because they want to and not for money which you are against missing my point since you are thinking negative again which this post was all about lol. The point about that was that people post so much because they give more service to this than making something. The extent of will to make something is harder for many and to post is a simple kick and people say some simple negative assumptions of another like that.

Since lava was afraid to answer, you answer his question with a Yes or No only. It is only fair since you like to give partial selections.

Lava
Answering a question with a question wonít help you and since you chose that route I would guess you didnít want to answer since it would have been most likely yes. So is that how you see others? Now do you get what I mean?

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Someone sent me a south park clip, and it has a skit about wheel of fortune. The guy has to solve the word and it was ďpeople who annoy youĒ. And the guy has to say the word in what was missing from ďN_GGERSĒ. Before he answers it shows black people with a mad face, and everyone else looking shocked. Now comes the test of the fine line.

Does that help explain things of how people think negative or positive?

Have fun

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"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance" Mat
"have we not prophesied in thy name?... depart from me, ye that work iniquity."Mat
:pI may be outnumbered but not out gunned.

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Are you on marijuana warsong? Serious question, you talk very much like someone who is so I am curious if you are?

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Lava
Answering a question with a question wonít help you and since you chose that route I would guess you didnít want to answer since it would have been most likely yes. So is that how you see others? Now do you get what I mean?


You don't understand. I answered your question, I said it depends. How does it depend? Well that was part of the question YOU were supposed to answer

Why do you assume yes? Are you always so black and white?

I would've explained the question if you tried to answer it, but instead I got this black-and-white over-assuming repsonse, which is too bad because I expected more.

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Forgive my bluntness, but do you natively speak English? Very few of your sentences make sense, but I don't want to bash on them if English isn't your native language.

Aside from that, you say that I'm taking things the wrong way, but you're not even listening to what I'm saying. Regarding the gambling issue, for example, I very clearly said that I wanted you personally to explain the issue with Scripture that backs your claims. I didn't want to read the page. It's not that I'm lazy, but I want to know that you actually know what you're talking about from your own personal studies, and not just quoting something. I can come up with all sorts of reasons why gambling isn't a good thing (with Scripture to back me), but I wanted to hear it from you. I didn't want to hear it from a website you post a link to.

Again, you're not even reading what I'm saying. The "four different forms" that you refer to have absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed. I won't even address it because of that. I can understand your "four forms," but they are of no significance here.

The same goes for your smoking example. That is absolutely irrelevant to what was said. But, to satisfy you by responding to everything you say, the person that says other shouldn't smoke may be doing so in a holier-than-thou way, but that doesn't need to be the case. This is not a yes or no question because you cannot say that in all cases it will be yes or that in all cases it will be no.

Apparently you weren't paying attention yet again. When I said "yelling" was was referring to the person that was attacking me in my example.

You explicitly said that mods are being paid in your first post in this thread. I quote: "I post this is for a few reasons which I canít say since many people are not allowed to see certain things in CCN which are only for mods lol, but I have stated to mods before but they do not have the power or time to prevent some things. And the power they do have they act from lack of information, but thatís ok too since they are getting paid and have more important things to do." You were most clearly speaking of the mods when you said that they are being paid. If that's not what you meant, then I suggest you work on making yourself more clear so this sort of thing doesn't happen again.

I'm not thinking negatively, I'm simply trying to decipher your posts and show you the contradictions that are implied by a simple reading of what you say.

Again, however, you completely did not understand what I was saying. I said that the mods, and everyone else, is here out of a service of the heart. Not a service to the forum, but a service to each other, so that the members of this fine website can grow in the walk in Christ and become better coders/artists/musicians/etc. for when they are creating.

It also seems to me that you're implying that people post here because they are lazy. More accurately, they are posting here because it is easier than creating something. I don't know if you do any coding yourself, but it's actually easier for me to create things on my own than to build relationships and share/gain insights. It takes a lot of extra time to be active here, so it is definitely not the case that being here is an act of laziness that requires less will than creating. I definitely think that it would be in your best interest to rethink your assumptions about these boards.

Have you ever thought to ask yourself how these posts are helpful for anything? They don't encourage people to go create, they encourage people to read and challenge what you've written. The time you've spent here creating these posts could have been spent creating, but I don't see any creations from you. I'm coming across harsh, but I believe that's the way you would want it. Every thread I've seen created by you has sucked more time from creation than the majority of the other threads here.

I also think it's worth pointing out that you portray yourself to make the assumption that everyone has negative views on things. That, however, is a very negative view itself. Perhaps you've heard of the saying, "Remove the plank from your own eye, so you can more clearly remove the speck from your brother's eye"? You can say this is the result of a negative view I have, but that certainly isn't the case as it is you that is suggesting everyone else has a negative view (myself and Lava have explicitly been mentioned by you in this thread).

Think it over.

In response to the question you asked Lava, I disagree strongly that he was afraid to answer you. This question cannot be answered with a simple yes or no, because it is not the case that it will always be yes or that it will always be no. You may as well could be asking something to the effect of: "Is X x 3 equal to 9?" That would be a ludicrous question, but it is effectively the same thing. You demand a once-and-for-all answer to a question that is dependent on an outside variable. Because of that variable, the answer can change just as well. In the above example, if X is equal to 3, then the answer is yes. However, if X is equal to 2, then the answer is no. Is it really so hard to realize that you asked a question with a variable but demands an absolutely final answer?

Lava could have answered in a way that wasn't a question but relayed the variable nature of the problem. But that wouldn't have pleased you according to the demands you've now made.

My direct response to the question is no. My worldview says that I'm not righteous of my own work, and so I can't always be righteous when I tell somebody something. I can be telling them something that pertains to a problem I have, and I am not beyond the problem. However, when I tell people something (in the case of advice), I'm confident that I'm in line with Scripture. Of course, that confidence is not in myself, but it is in the Holy Word of God. No is not a valid answer, however, because there are times when I do feel righteous when I say something, but that is not always the case.

However, I would like to point out that, once again, you were very much reading your assumption regarding Lava's response into your retaliation to his response. It seems to me that you're behaving in the exact way that you're speaking against.

I just want you to hold yourself against your measurements. And I definitely want you to pay attention to someone when you're going to try and refute what they're saying. It also helps when you actually work to keep yourself clear.

Your South Park reference has next to nothing to do with this topic. You're referencing schema, but it holds no significance in this case. To say that black people (especially with such a derogatory term) are a "people that annoy you," even in the context of a game show is completely wrong. That's a gross generalization and a racist one at that. The black people in the audience should have been mad, and the rest of the people should have been shocked because such a statement is so counter to what our country strives to be: respectful towards all races.

You also continue to speak of the "test of the fine line," but this idea is completely undefined. You give no explanation of it, and it holds no significance on its own.

You actually have only helped explained schema (the way people perceive things) by showing your own schema to be aligned with the one that you're trying to condemn.

Get some writing lessons. Write in a way that is coherent. Pull the plank out of your eye. Read what you're trying to refute.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not attacking you; that's just the way that you're perceiving my words.

Don't worry about refuting this. I won't be posting on this thread again. You've taught me something: my time is much better spent creating than trying to show a fool his folly. I hate being so ruthless, but it's the way you said you would handle a situation, so I figure it's the only way you might potentially understand.

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1 Timothy 6 indirectly refers to gambling.

(verse 8)
"And if we have food and clothing, with these we should be content.
But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.
For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil..."

However - while it seems pretty clear to me personally that this passage is talking about gambling, to someone else it may not.
What if I'm wrong? Do I have the authority to tell a gambler that they are sinning?

I doubt it...

(Just a note - I know Warsong didn't say anything about Christians that watch 300, I was asking a question about it since he brought the movie up.)

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Warsong I warned you about making these posts and I warned you about the consequences.

Just to clarify:

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I post this is for a few reasons which I canít say since many people are not allowed to see certain things in CCN which are only for mods lol, but I have stated to mods before but they do not have the power or time to prevent some things. And the power they do have they act from lack of information, but thatís ok too since they are getting paid and have more important things to do. But the thing they should be good at is not to pander and should listen.

+) We do what we can with the time and tools that we have.

+) We act on what the majority of the people tell us.

+) We are certainly not being paid to do this.

You're banned. Don't come back.