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Multiverse vs. Kaneva – thegpfury

Thegpfury
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Which is better? I have downloaded Kaneva, and played around, but my 3d modeling skills leave much to be desired.

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buddboy

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haven't heard of Kaneva... lol...

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CPUFreak91

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quote:
Originally posted by buddboy:
haven't heard of Kaneva... lol...


Someone mentioned it in the Multiverse: FREE MMORPG thread

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buddboy

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oh lol ok...

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Thegpfury
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Kaneva looks like it could be very powerful, but it has no true level editor. Everything has to be 3d modeled and imported.

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buddboy

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yah... lol... i just dled Irrlicht, felt like messing around... lol...

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Simon_Templar

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I haven't used Kaneva, and Multiverse is not yet available to the general public, so it is largely an unknown quantity.

I've talked to some people who have used Kaneva and what I have generally heard is...

#1 Kaneva isn't really well suited to doing an MMORPG
#2 Kaneva's business model is very bad for the game developers because in effect Kaneva owns your creation and if kaneva ever goes out of business all your work goes with them.
#3 Based on what multiverse has said so far, their business model is better because they have said that if they ever go out of business they will do everything in their power to make the source code for their product free and available so that the game developers don't just lose all the work they've done.

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buddboy

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tha's too bad...

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Ashton_JX

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So kaneva owns any IP (intellectual property) you put in their engine? thats kind of a bad deal. So you mean if someone were to create a game with Kaneva, that means that the company that makes Kaneva has complete ownership of all the resources, even copyrights to the characters and stories?

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Thegpfury
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Ouch

That stinks.

Hopefully then I will be able to get into the multiverse beta.

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Simon_Templar

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I don't know if they own the intellectual property.. I kind of doubt that. What they do own is all of the code. So if their company goes down, all your code and technical work goes with them.

In other words you may still have the art work you did, and the concept/idea work, but you'd be back to square 1 with no coding, no engine, nothing

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buddboy

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that's better, but it still sucks... lol...

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Ashton_JX

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From an artists standpoint, that really doesn't bother me all that much. I'm sure the only programming I'd be doing would be a small tweak here and there in some of the scripts. Er, okay technically that'd be scripting not programming. So really I don't think I'd mind trying kaneva out. If anything else, it would be a great way to learn more about making games. Though, for the programmers I can see how this would be a big blow. The vast majority of their work wouldn't belong to them, so I think the artists really get the best of it.

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eshodan

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Registered: 05-25-2006
Hi All,

Hope things are well. I just wanted to clarify Kaneva a bit. Just to let you know where I'm coming from, I currently work at Kaneva's in-house studio as a character artist. Disclaimers of bias aside, Kaneva is an excellent platform choice if you're considering either an FPS or an MMO. The platform was originally developed for a game combining these two genres. It has since been expanded with a slew of general features and has been made quite extensible via the addition of lua and python scripting support. To address something mentioned earlier in this thread, creators always maintain ownership and total control of their IP and assets. So other than rigging time in the Kaneva Editor (which is considerable, but small compared with other solutions), you lose nothing in checking out Kaneva.

As for licensing, we're currently making some radical changes. A few decisions have been finalized though and they are as follows:
1. Non-commercial (no profit)
-completely free
-creator self-hosts
2. Commercial w/ Kaneva hosting (Kaneva provides all hosting and billing services)
-revenue sharing
-no up front cost
-all game revenue is distributed as it comes in
-the game service can be shut down at any time without any residual fees.
3. Commercial w/ self-hosting
-company must purchase a license

Hereís a link to our new game development site.
http://elite.kaneva.com/

Here's a link to an online flyer for the platform. It's a bit dated, but still useful.
http://www.kaneva.com/overview/KEPEditor.aspx?ttCat=create&subtab=myg

BTW - Holla to all you CGDC 2006 attendees. ; )

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eshodan

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One more thing...

Our document writer has author a wealth of documentation for the platform available at http://docs.kaneva.com/bin/view/Public/HowDoIDoc. Also the development community at http://elite.kaneva.com is awesome. Forum posts are usually answered quickly and collaboration is the rule rather than the exception.

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Simon_Templar

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Does Kaneva have an in house Terrain/world creation tool, or does it recomend a particular 3rd Party tool for creating terrains? What kind of tools does it have for setting up areas, placing objects etc.

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Thegpfury
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hmm, if you would add heightmap support for terrain, I'd be interested. Right now, it is a real pain trying to set up the land and all.

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eshodan

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No, you'll still need to create land meshes and most assets outside of KGP (with the notable exeption of particle effects which can be authored with our particle editor). As for "setting up areas, placing objects etc.", KGP has a comprehensive set of tools meant to manage these tasks including 3DS Max/Maya like transform widgets. Regarding height maps, indirectly (pre-KGP import) you can of course make use of height maps, but at present you won't be able to directly use them in KGP.

So long as usage remains non-commercial, KGP is free to download and use. Give it a try and let us know what you think. ; )

http://elite.kaneva.com/

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