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How is my article? – luke

luke

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 		Just wondering if anyone thinks my new article(Inheritance in JAVA) was helpful/good/ or a peice of (*&()...

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vincent

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 		Its good but I think you and I might be the only Java developers here
Jari

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 		It looks like an good article to me, but I'm not really a java coder but C++. The same logic applies to C++, C# and some other languages as well.

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ArchAngel

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 		I use Java, but only cuz it's the main language they use at my college.

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luke

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 		hmm, I didn't know JAVA was so 'rare'; well at any rate I think JAVA is easier for the newcommer to understand, but I also use C++..

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Briant

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 		Great intro to inheritance. Thanks for writing it! Hopefully it will also encourage others to add to the article section as well.

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luke

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 		Thanks for the complements, yeah several more new articles would be nice; in fact do any of you guys think that you have an interesting topic that you would like me to write an article on? I wouldn't mind

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crazyishone

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 		networking concepts for utter noobs.

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luke

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LOL, if I actually knew anything, I just might LOL very funny

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vincent

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quote:
Originally posted by luke:
hmm, I didn't know JAVA was so 'rare'; well at any rate I think JAVA is easier for the newcommer to understand, but I also use C++..

Actually, Java is becomming more complecated. The latest version I don't fully understand. Generics, annotations are quite complicated...
luke

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 		well yes, with some of the newer features(one of which is that modified for loop), but I was refering to the rather simple class coding/passing as in c++ you litterally place just the headers in the class definitions... Its alot of retyping...

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Jari

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 		Java is such an nice language, I have seriously started to consider should I code next game projects in java, so that people can play in browser.

Why I would also like to code in java, is because of the huge selection of classes. I borrowed a book called "java in a nutshell" and that's quite a nut - over thousand pages.

It's just the speed that's big question mark. If you need to code bottle necks in java for pathfind or some other heavy task (real time application) the speed might become an issue - just don't know.

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buddboy

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 		i once wrote a pretty long article, and i was about to submit it, and the server for the site went down. i was mad. like, really mad. it was about GIMP.

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Jari

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quote:
Originally posted by vincent:
Actually, Java is becomming more complecated. The latest version I don't fully understand. Generics, annotations are quite complicated...

Generics... looks like they are similar to templates: http://www.mindview.net/WebLog/log-0061

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- Pro 19:21
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vincent

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quote:
Originally posted by jari:
It's just the speed that's big question mark. If you need to code bottle necks in java for pathfind or some other heavy task (real time application) the speed might become an issue - just don't know.

Speed really is not an issue with Java. You know this game is made in Java:
http://tribaltrouble.com/index.php ... its really the 3D card thats the bottleneck here. It uses LWJGL: http://lwjgl.org/ which is a free OpenGL/OpenAL API for Java.

The stage where 'Java is slow' has been long passed. It some areas it can compete with C(++).

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bennythebear

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quote:
Originally posted by crazyishone:
networking concepts for utter noobs.

...what kind of concepts? just in general, or kind of like a begginner's guide to networking? this i might be able to do, i still need to finish up my article on networking hardware, which i need somebody to read over and give me some constructive criticism...i know it needs a lot of work before it gets posted here.

edit * here's the address to the article i'm talking about: http://www.geocities.com/bennythebear84/net.htm

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Jari

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quote:
Originally posted by vincent:

Speed really is not an issue with Java. You know this game is made in Java:
http://tribaltrouble.com/index.php ... its really the 3D card thats the bottleneck here. It uses LWJGL: http://lwjgl.org/ which is a free OpenGL/OpenAL API for Java.

The stage where 'Java is slow' has been long passed. It some areas it can compete with C(++).

You are undoubtly right about the 3D card being the bottle neck, but AI can be one important bottle neck in certain types of games, where all possible optimization is needed.
Well I quess java is ok unless you need to make some heavy RTS.

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- Pro 19:21
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
- Pro 3:5

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luke

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 		its true that java has become fast enough; in fact I think that some company ported a 3d game engine(Doom I think...) to java..

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 		Every language has it's cons and pros. It all depends on what you are planning to do.

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CPUFreak91

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quote:
Originally posted by vincent:
Its good but I think you and I might be the only Java developers here 

import java.io*;
class Ireallydontlikejava {
    public static ... main ..... {
        System.out.print("Argh! I can't remember keyboard Input or the main function!\n");
    }
}

I guess I don't count

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buddboy

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 		lol!

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jestermax

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 		Java is a lot of fun, i've been coding with it for probably over 2 years now ( thats probably not a lot of time but to your blood cells, thats an eternity ). The lack of pointers makes it a good starter language without it being weak. Also, the pure object-oriented-ness gives a bit of motivation to learn better design patterns (some people refuse to have motivation)
luke

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 		Agreed.

That makes our numbers three now.

Using Cubic Splines to extrapolate the Number of Java developers here, our count will be 5 in 3 years... lol

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buddboy

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 		LOL... if i knew how to get Java and of a good tutorial, i might try it. cuz it looks intriguing.

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jestermax

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 		there is a trunkload of java guides. heres a starter guide i found with a 5 second google
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-2000/jw-0331-java101.html

If you're the book kind of guy then get Big Java. That has to be one of the best java books i've read.
luke

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 		Two books that I have, and that I like very much, are 'Learning Java' and Programming Games in Java. The former is a great introduction to Java and the latter is a great intro to Game Programming (You can use much of the knowledge in that book in C++ too)

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