http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum9&topic

That's the thread.

Anyway, does accepting salvation make a christian invulnerable to satan's attacks?

Personally I believe it doesn't as 1 Job seems to prove it, however that's been countered with God Allowing it in a special case so to match that I"ll provide the temptation of Jesus. Don't even try to convince me that Jesus wasn't a Christian, it won't work, PERIOD.

Tell me what you think.

Its at times like this where I miss Cheesestorm (though I barely knew him) and Warsong.

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And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

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Satan attacks everyone, he wants to make everyone as miserable as him.

Now comes the second part and more lengthy part of my ramble, is attack of Satan or ourselves opening a door to attack based on our free will and problems.

One thing I cannot stand is going to church and hearing the 'ladies' (generally who I hear saying these things not that they are exclusive to just gals) say "I just been under attack from the enemy, I got a traffic ticket, the land lord has been on my case to get the rent to him, the boss man just keeps on my case just because I was 10 minutes late to work"

When we OURSELVES fail, we open our own doors. It is not a satan attack when we get a speeding ticket. Yes Satan can use that to make our lives more miserable, but if we are speeding and we know the rules, we opened a door ourselves to have this happen. Really, who is to blame, Satan or ourselves.

If your boss tells you to be at work at a certain time, be on time, don't blame Satan because you can't get to work on time.

If we sin, we also open a door to further attack from the enemy. If we are living our lives in sin and away from God, we put ourselves in a position to be under attack. I am not saying that attack only comes with sin, that is not true, but it does open a door.

If you don't want flies in your house, clean the trash out and keep the door shut.

But that doesn't mean you might have a fly in your house every once and awhile.

I'm sure someone will disagree or have fun with this

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I"ll provide the temptation of Jesus. Don't even try to convince me that Jesus wasn't a Christian, it won't work, PERIOD.

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Originally posted by kenman:
Even Jesus himself was attacked by Satan, although Satan did not have a revelation of who Jesus was at the time he tempted him. Matthew 4,
http://kingjbible.com/matthew/4.htm
[QUOTE]And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

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Actually - please bare with me - Satan knew who he was tempting. He said "if" because he was citing the psalm (Psa 91:11) and he was trying to be smart and expect Jesus to follow the scripture. So he was saying "since this is written of you why dont you..?"
he also said:
(Luk 4:3) And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
Knowing that only the Son of God could do that; turn the stone to bread.

I think the devils all knew who Jesus was (Luk 4:34 ), we can see this from few verses and even from acts it was no question to the evil spirit who Jesus and Paul was. Act 19:15
It was also noticable event when the Holy spirit ascended above Jesus: Luk 3:21-22

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Originally posted by Mene-Mene:
http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum9&topic

That's the thread.

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We're standing on the shores of forever - where stars are shining brighter than before. And peace is the Prince of the moment. Our hearts are so weary from the war.

Who is on first. ~ Well what are you asking me for?
I'm not asking you, I'm telling you - Who is on first. ~ I'm asking you who's on first!
That's the mans name. ~ Thats who's name?
Yes. ~ Well go ahead and tell me.
Who. ~ The guy on first.
Who! ~ The first baseman!!
Who is on first!!

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O Praise Christ, O Praise Christ, He Is Holy, He Is Holy - O Praise Him

We're standing on the shores of forever - where stars are shining brighter than before. And peace is the Prince of the moment. Our hearts are so weary from the war.

Who is on first. ~ Well what are you asking me for?
I'm not asking you, I'm telling you - Who is on first. ~ I'm asking you who's on first!
That's the mans name. ~ Thats who's name?
Yes. ~ Well go ahead and tell me.
Who. ~ The guy on first.
Who! ~ The first baseman!!
Who is on first!!

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Thought travels much faster than sound, it is better to think something twice, and say it once, than to think something once, and have to say it twice.
"Frogs and Fauns! The tournament!" - Professor Winneynoodle/HanClinto

I reserve the full right to change my views/theories at any time.

Humans, by themselves, are pathetic bags of bones and are easily swayed, beaten up, and otherwise bullied by those of the negative side of the spiritual world.

Jesus was definitely bombarded by Satan in the wilderness. I believe this continued in the garden of gethsemane to the point of sweating drops of blood. Not to mention the brutal beating he received before hanging on the cross.

Paul says that no temptation has seized us except what is common to everyone, and God provides a way of escape, and having put on the armor of God to stand. Peter says to resist the devil and he will flee.

Paul also speaks of being struck down but not destroyed. That sounds a lot like Job.

God gets a lot of negative press regarding Job. I've seen a bunch of YouTube vids that say in effect "How can you follow a God who does this to people.", and "sure, but Job never got his kids back"

I think Paul sums it up nicely..
"For I bear on my body the scars that show I belong to Jesus." (Gal 6:17b)
..and..
"Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come."
(2Co 5:1-5 NIV)

This whole world is temporary. Any pain we suffer for Christ will be amply rewarded. The ones we love who are killed or otherwise die, we will be reunited with (assuming they also believe). And, God has guaranteed this with His Spirit.

The question is (as always) do you really believe that its true? or is it just a bunch of fairytale B.S. and you are thus wasting your life, disillusioned in blissful ignorance or with a tormented soul, when you could be free of all this religious trash and do whatever pleases you? Besides if God really loved you why does life hurt? Maybe its because he doesn't care or doesn't exist. This is the point where satan attacks us. And could also be seen as the point where the "fear of vulnerability" arises.

In John 16:31-33(NLT) Jesus asks, "Do you finally believe? But the time is coming--in fact, it is already here--when you will be scattered, each one going his own way, leaving me alone. Yet I am not alone because the Father is with me. I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world."

So, to answer the question, YES and NO. YES, satan has power to affect the Christian. NO, it is not a permanent thing and will definitely be remedied/recompensed in eternity.

That's what I believe.

God Bless!

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Luke 4:6 Amplified:
6And he said to Him, To You I will give all this power and authority and their glory (all their magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, and grace), for it has been turned over to me, and I give it to whomever I will.

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Adam handed over all authority and power when he sinned in the garden of eden. Satan had authority and power until Jesus took it from him when he died on the cross.

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Matthew 28:18 Amplified:
18Jesus approached and, [a]breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

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So satan has no authority anymore. So it's great when you realise he has no hold on your life at all. You have the authority now

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Originally posted by D-SIPL:
So satan has no authority anymore. So it's great when you realise he has no hold on your life at all. You have the authority now

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Isn't there a small problem with me being human though and always having zero-day exploits and doors?

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And satan can be quite a blackhat :P

Fortunately in God forgiveness plan there is both proactive and reactive elements.

True we shouldn't open doors. Walk in the Spirit. i.e. Leave your spiritual firewall up.

And 1st John 1:9 is kind of like heavens mal-ware removal tool. Jesus' sacrifice wipes out all the stuff that creeps in, as we confess it--whether we did deliberately or were tricked into it thinking we would win an iPod nano. hehehe.

God Bless!

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

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So satan has no authority anymore. So it's great when you realise he has no hold on your life at all. You have the authority now

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Though I don't see that answering the following OP question:

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Anyway, does accepting salvation make a christian invulnerable to satan's attacks?

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I agree, we have the full ability to push aside any attacks from satan. Though that definitely doesn't make us invulnerable. We still have to actively push aside these attacks. Also keep in mind satan is smarter than that... he doesn't just directly attack, he loves to manipulate others into attacking us as well as making our situations more complex. Remember that Satan and his demons have no power over you, though they have been around the block a lot longer than us, they know many tricks on how to manipulate humans.

I think the only true resistance and counter to falling victim to a situation in which you can be manipulated (directly or indirectly) is to realize that you are not invulnerable. One of those opposite logic type of things... to be truly invulnerable you have to realize you are not invulnerable. It's like driving, the second you get overconfident that you are a safe driver that wouldn't make a bad mistake is when you let your guard down and make that mistake.

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"Put on the full armor of God..."

Without our armor we are a guaranteed casualty, with our armor we are a guaranteed survivor. And who is our armor? Is it not God Himself? We can never think too lowly of ourselves and we must never think too highly of ourselves. We are not invulnerable at all. Without God protecting us we are about as invulnerable to Satan as a cockroach is to my work boot. Also, we never ever deserve the protection of the Almighty. "If not for the GRACE of God..."

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

[This message has been edited by Tallbill (edited July 19, 2007).]

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Originally posted by Mene-Mene:
Anyway, does accepting salvation make a christian invulnerable to satan's attacks?

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After some thinking about it I think it could be summed up in a short sentence: If you're/have been/will be tempted then you could be vulnerable. If you allow Satan to exploit your weakness by succumbing to that temptation, you're vulnerable.

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"After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2

"Oh, bother," said the Borg. "We've assimilated Pooh."

"Socialism works great... if there are no people involved." -- Pastor David Ginter, Union Church of Guatemala.

My Programming and Hacker/Geek related Blog