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Jari

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This is reply to TallBills thread "Jari's Article "Seeking for God's Will..."" because I could not reply to it. (apparently you can't reply to threads in CCN that have "special" characters in the title.


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Tallbill said:
Jari,

The english is a little difficult (like you used incorrect words for what you are trying to say), but the idea and the admonition are wonderful and most important.


Thank you for the comment! It means much to me and it encourages to know that it did make sense.

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When I was designing this graphic:

I thought I had the layout of the elements done, but the system crashed and I lost the whole thing and had to start over. After I started over, the layout being slightly different, or course, the included graphic was the result. It has no actual crucifix in the image, but all of the other elements display the need for it. The impression of a crucifix is formed by the cooperation of two groups of 7 objects with two groups of 10 objects, and each group has at least one cluster of objects that, taken together, seems three-sided. Many people have seen many things that I was not conscious of putting in the graphic. What do you think of it?


The image's url was broken so I did not include it in this quote. Sorry I can't thefore answer you, yet. But I'm not entirely sure how that is related to the article.


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Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

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TallBill

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OK, let's try this again, shall we?

OK. Problem solved. Although the file displays just fine on my system here, and my website's logs claimed to be fully delivering the file every time it was requested, the receiving server refused to display the image because it claimed that the file had errors in it. My solution was to replace the file with another copy of the image—freshly edited in the GIMP.

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"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

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TallBill

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quote:
Originally posted by jari:
This is reply to TallBills thread "Jari's Article "Seeking for God's Will..."" because I could not reply to it. (apparently you can't reply to threads in CCN that have "special" characters in the title.

I keep forgetting that about CCN.

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Originally posted by jari:
The image's url was broken so I did not include it in this quote. Sorry I can't therefore answer you, yet. But I'm not entirely sure how that is related to the article.

Well, the URL was actually just fine. Apparently the file itself was bad. I have now replaced the file.

As to how it is related to the article, the main thrust of your article seems to have been to avoid doing your own works, unblessed by the LORD, because “Unless the LORD builds the house, it builders labor in vain.” Why waste your time in trivialities when you can be doing the work of the LORD?

When I first determined to create the included image I started drawing what I thought would honor and bless the LORD, but apparently He didn't like it well enough. Suddenly and quite uncharacteristically of the system on which I was doing the design—just before I had any chance to save out my work—the system crashed completely, requiring a reboot, and my design was gone. After I got over my anger and frustration I was moved to try again, but this time I asked the LORD to guide my hand.

The design consists of a background radial gradient, and a foreground of four different clusters of objects (two of seven objects, two of ten objects, each containing abundant evidence of three-sidedness), their shapes taken together giving the impression of a crucifix that is not really there. Now, how does such a thing honor the LORD? There are four colors involved, each of them the colors of the four coverings of the ancient Hebrew Tabernacle that served as a temple before the temple was ever actually built. Those colors (along with my faulty memory’s attempt to relate their significance) are black (human sin), white (the purity of God), red (the blood of Jesus), and purple (the majesty of Jesus in Heaven). The colors are arranged in three gradients, which all interact: Purple to White (the pure majesty of Jesus in Heaven); Black to White (the nearer you are to Jesus, the less you sin); and Red to White (the less intense your sin, the less intense His covering of blood needs to be). All of the gradients point you to the center; to the very heart of Jesus. Now, let us take away the layers: Without human sin, there is no need for the blood of Jesus, and we are left with the pure majesty of Jesus in Heaven.

As to people’s reactions, some see fish, some see the flames of hell licking at their feet, some see the flames of the Holy Spirit surrounding and uplifting the Son of God. Others see other things, things that I never thought of. What I see when I look at it is His blood covering my sin by His majesty; and I see abundant evidence of 3, 7, 10; numbers which Bible writers related directly to the things of God. It was the sin of humans that necessitated the blood of Jesus to be shed upon that horrible, wonderful crucifix. It would not have been necessary if we would not sin.

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

Jari

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quote:
Originally posted by TallBill:

As to how it is related to the article, the main thrust of your article seems to have been to avoid doing your own works, unblessed by the LORD, because “Unless the LORD builds the house, it builders labor in vain.” Why waste your time in trivialities when you can be doing the work of the LORD?

When I first determined to create the included image I started drawing what I thought would honor and bless the LORD, but apparently He didn't like it well enough. Suddenly and quite uncharacteristically of the system on which I was doing the design—just before I had any chance to save out my work—the system crashed completely, requiring a reboot, and my design was gone. After I got over my anger and frustration I was moved to try again, but this time I asked the LORD to guide my hand.


This is interesting, I have experinced similar things. But I don't dare to say why did I lost my work, it could be a blessing that the Lord wanted to save me from doing something that was not either not (1) needed, (2) not in the right time, (3) not respectful towards Him.
But I believe it's a blessing if the Lord preservers us from doing something unblessed in the first place or it wont be finished like in your case.
When something like that happens it really makes me think and pray God for right and new direction on my work. This psalm is often close to my heart in those prayers:
(Psa 90:17) And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.

I have prayed that God would not allow my work to be established/accomplished if it's not good in His eyes and it has happened that it became obvious that it was not blessed and did not simply work out. So later on I could return to the same project and see the blessing now that I had new direction and state of mind for the project and it worked out.


So I am thankful when Lord guides like this by not allowing us to do something according to our own mind or something that is influenced rather by this flesh than spirit of God. So thanks to Lord Jesus for blessing but also for rebukes, it's all His loving guidance!
I know that Lord let's the rain fall down to every one and the sun shine to us all, believers and pagans alike so seeing a difference between always enjoying that sunshine and enjoying it after the rain has been a great blessing to me.

I think there might be something in these verses that speak about this:
(Psa 126:5-6) They that sow in tears shall reap in joy. He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.

More verses from the Proverbs (all so wise truth and instructions in that book, the word of God):

(Pro 16:1-3) The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD. All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits. Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.

(Pro 21:1-2) The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.


But regarding what you said about that image. It's interesting to say the least and I do believe we may be influenced to do and say unrespectful things even the word blashemous or pervert could be used.
So we need to take a heed of what we are doing, even we all do sin but that doesn't mean we should allow Satan that father of lies to deceive us.

I didn't want to be hars or too bold on this topic but I seriously ponder these things. After all we are facing spiritual battles.

God bless.

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Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

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