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How Do You Know That You Believe? – TallBill

TallBill

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From: St. Louis, MO
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According to my pastor, the video at the following link was compiled from a sermon by Paul Washer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY6F0pkArds

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Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

spade89

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i haven't seen the video but that is one of the strangest questions i have seen.

what do you mean how do you know that you believe. if you doubt that you believe then you aren't believing .

hey if anyone has that kind of feeling then you need someone to pray to put their hands on you and pray for you . demons cause doubts like this.

when i believed i was renewed i felt the kind of peace i have never felt before.

i kind of felt free. this is like trying to explain how water tastes to someone that has never tasted water. or trying to tell the aborigines in australia about snow.

btw: i don't think i ever saw a snow.


if you doubt your faith it's mostly because you are going to the wrong Church or you are being taught a false teaching like orthodoxy or catholics.
imho

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Skynes
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I know I believe because I've seen my sin for what it is, I repented of it and I'm still repenting for them cause I keep falling into them.

Sin has become disgusting to me.

Spade I highly recommend this guys sermons.

bennythebear

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i like the part where he talks about the stars and planets obeying him, and then when he commands us we tell him no...human nature is a funny thing.

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Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

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Faith_Warrior

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Depends on what you are believing in I guess. Believing in the God of the living bible is not a problem for me, I don’t recall a time in my life that I ever doubted that, but believing in myself is another matter.

Anyway, staying with the intended subject discussion presumably about a belief in the God of the bible, certainly this is something that is verifiable through fulfilled prophecy. Prophecy is intended to validate the word which is given to man by God for only God can truly know all things as well as the things to come. All religions fail at this point, they error in such matters and heap up false prophecy after another while the living bible is 100% literally correct all the time, and that is no small matter if you do your homework.

Generally, when I meet someone in doubt, often the root of the problem is that they have discarded the truth of the bible, they incrementally dismiss parts of the bible over time until they are holding a hand full of lint. They get into “it's meant allegorically“, “well it is just mans opinion”, “it just does not apply to our day” or “it doesn’t really mean that even though that is what it says; it‘s just your interpretation”. Then it becomes just as good to add in other things such as philosophy, psychology or to whore in other religions such as witchcraft or occult practices that become familiar in practice be it through different forms of media (i.e. games, movies, books etc..). The end result is a shaky faith in danger of complete collapse.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. It is something to strive for, to study deeply and believe, something to fight for within ones being, something to go to WAR for; to war against the flesh, against ones short fallings and have victory in the spirit and through the spirit by the literal living word.

Anyway, just watched the video, was downloading it as I wrote this, pretty well made for a short evangelist spot.

TallBill

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Look at the thread subject again. Read it carefully.

One way to look at the subject is to compare your walk to 1 Peter 2:7 “Unto you who believe, He is precious.”

Well?

Is He?

Is He precious to you?

Or is He just “fire insurance?”

Peter says, “Unto you who believe He is precious.” If He’s not precious to you, then Peter would likely say to you, “then you don’t believe.”

I find that people have such a strong tendency to take different parts of the Bible separately when they should be taken as a whole. Maybe that makes it easier to delude oneself. But the Bible tells us that if we believe Him, we will become like Him (note: I do not say “if we believe in Him”, but rather, “if we believe Him”. Do we believe what He says, or do we try to skirt our way around what He says in order to feel good about doing what we want to do, instead of doing what He wants us to do? Do we believe Him?). Jesus sacrificed Himself for others and commands us to do likewise (Mark 12:28-31, remembering that in that passage “love”=“agape”=“sacrifice yourself for the sake of, or for the benefit of”). In the Bible Jesus also tells us, “if you love me (or “if I am precious to you”) you will do what I command.” Jesus sacrificed Himself for others and commands us to do likewise (Mark 12:28-31, remembering that in that passage “love”=“agape”=“sacrifice yourself for the sake of, or for the benefit of”). “Unto you who believe, He is precious.” So, how do you know that you believe? Is He precious to you, or simply a convenience?

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

Jari

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I like to think that Jesus has won my heart, because that's how I often times feel. But sometimes I also find my self unbelieving in the miracles, when it comes to seeing them, etc.
Sorry I havent watched that video, but I did read the posts.

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Faith_Warrior

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quote:
Originally posted by TallBill:
Look at the thread subject again. Read it carefully.


Well yes, “How do you know that you believe” well because the bible tells me so and I believe the bible due to its proven validity. Two-thirds of our bible is prophecy (much of it fulfilled and some left to yet be fulfilled), God told us this that we may believe that it is of Him, all of it, with that established it also says in Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

So I know that I believe because the bible says I do. I tend to take a logical approach to everything and disregard sensationalism as much as possible, especially hypersensationalism. Knowledge of the word matures deeper faith along with the understanding of just how precious the blood of the lamb really is. Not simply accumulated knowledge of course, that can become a bloated situation with no outlet, but applied knowledge in practice; one must be filled with knowledge and put it into practice to truly understand the deeper meanings of it, it is an outworking of that knowledge which to me is opposite of [hyper]sensationalism.

TallBill

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I just found a blog post that might be of help to those in the midst of questioning themselves on the topic of this thread:

I’m all shook up

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"