and i started wondering what does the bible say about ghosts,are there such things ,do we become ghosts when we die??

if not what will??

what does the Bible say about this?

and if you saw that article you have seen about the whole story where a Bible was found in the middle of ruins with it's pages open to Revelations 10 . i looked that passage up and it says nothing about stormsl,but still.....

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Matthew(22:36-40)"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Whose Son Is the Christ

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He was a poltergeist for a while, but Mom told grandpa to stop that after too many dishes were broken.

(Seriously - I don't really know. Makes sense what Zookey said, though)

Spirit - God is a spirit, angels and demons (fallen angels) are spirits.
Man is spirit and body. Man uses his spirit to communicate with
spiritual things.

Soul - This is you, your mind and your will. Your personality, the part of
you who makes choices.

Body - Your soul\spirit lives here. Man uses his body to communicate with
physical things.

Okay, the only spirits in the universe are God, Angels, Fallen Angels, and Human beings. When a human being's soul\spirit is separated from the body, that person is physically dead. The Christian (the soul\spirit) goes to be with Jesus Christ, the unbeliever goes to hades. If there is any spirit you see, and it doesn't give glory to Jesus Christ, then it's probably a demon.

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anyways that got me thinking somebody once showed me a verse in the Bible that proves the existense of aliens(this was before i was a Christian) and i can't seem to find it ,it was probably somewhere in Kings I or Kings II.

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Matthew(22:36-40)"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Whose Son Is the Christ

The Bible mentions only 2 types of sprits. The holy spirit and evil spirits. There is only one Holy spirit and the others fall into the other category. The Bible states we die and then the judgement, not we die and then have to wait and haunt our families or pay of for debts. We either go to heaven or hell.

Our pastor stated that Satan comes to steal and destroy. If he can get our eyes off Jesus, then we will stray from the righteous path. The 'sprits' that do this are not our loved ones coming back, but demons sent to trick us into believing falsehoods.

So, I really don't put stock in ghosts and spirits. I have had experiances with angels though, and I believe in angelic beings being sent to protect us.

If you do not agree with my stance, please know that I understand you may not. My post was not intended to offend or discredit anyones belief.

The parallel passage in Matthew says roughly the same thing.

Also, this is not quite ghosts, but similar: Acts 12:15 "You're out of your mind," they told her. When she kept insisting that it was so, they said, "It must be his angel." (speaking of Peter and his miraculous escape from prison)

That these instances are in the Bible does not, in and of itself, substantiate any of their beliefs (that there are ghosts or that people's angels can appear to others), but it's certainly interesting, and I don't quite know what to make of it. If Jesus had said to his disciples, "Why did you think I was a ghost? Behold, there are no such things as ghosts," then we would know what to think.

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it's pronounced "tonics"

I have searched for quite a while and cant seem to find that area spade.
There was a time when demons (correction?) came down from the heavens and.. well.. had intercourse with humans. That caused giants and many.. strange things. Many believe this was aliens or something like that.

The Bible says nothing about aliens.. But that means it doesn't say they don't exist.

Ghosts are normally, as has been said, demons. On some occasions, like the thing with Saul and Samuel, they are not.

People don't go to Heaven or Hell right away when they die. They wait until the end, then they all go at once. Don't forget, Heaven isn't ready yet! It took 6 days for Jesus to form the Earth, and its getting pretty crowded now! Imagine how long it would take to make something big enough for everyone! Plus if the angels are to live there too, thats even more people!

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Mark 6:50 1/2 "--Why did you think I was a ghost? Behold, there are no such things as ghosts!"
Tonnyx.. that was awesome.

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Ha, thanks.

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it's pronounced "tonics"

I think of it as 2 time dimensions..

...I have no idea how to explain it, but thats how I think of it

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I. The bodies of men, after death, return to dust, and see corruption; but their souls (which neither die nor sleep), having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them. The souls of the righteous, being then made perfect in holiness, are received into the highest heavens, where they behold the face of God in light and glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies; and the souls of the wicked are cast into hell, where they remain in torments and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day. Besides these two places for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture acknowledgeth none.

II. At the last day, such as are found alive shall not die, but be changed: and all the dead shall be raised up with the self-same bodies, and none other, although with different qualities, which shall be united again to their souls forever.

III. The bodies of the unjust shall, by the power of Christ, be raised to dishonor; the bodies of the just, by his Spirit, unto honor, and be made conformable to his own glorious body.

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Sorry for the long quote. I find point 1 particularly interesting, in that people's souls have gone to heaven, but there's still some sense of time, in that, they have to wait until Judgment for their bodies to be redeemed as well.

Oh, and there's a good commentary here which includes scripture references for each point. (I don't want anybody to just take what the Westminster guys said without demanding to see evidence)

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it's pronounced "tonics"

Also in Jesus' story of Lazarus the beggar. The wicked rich man was already experiencing torment in a hellish place if not the actual lake of fire.

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EDIT: @Jester, there were already punishments in place with Lazarus the beggar and the rich man. Eventhough the final judgement had not taken place. Maybe like being in a holding cell until your trial. Maybe for believers, Jesus bails us out

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As for references to talking to the dead: King Saul communicated to Samuel through a medium, and that was a common thing at the time until he outlawed it. (he used the medium AFTER outlawing it).

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1 Samuel 28:3: Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had mourned for him and buried him in his own town of Ramah. Saul had expelled the mediums and spiritists from the land.

Generally God's laws are not followed by people. Because it says that all witches should die, doesn't mean that they all did and do. I'll admit that it doesn't explicitly say the quantity of them, but it does say that they did exist at the time and that Saul used one, acceptable practice or not.
Also, if there was not any witches, etc. (from them being killed) then why would Saul be expelling nobody?

EDIT: btw, you don't have to say "no offense" to me i'm generally open to hearing views that aren't my own and anyone is free to object/argue what i say. after all, i'm not a pastor and i'm not God's direct voice.

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samw: What do you know about Jesus 'character?' I don't believe it is possible to know such things.

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After Jesus died, he went to that place and "rescued the captives" to bring them to dwell with him in Paradise.

When Christians die today, this is the place they go. They go there not by works, but by the Spirit of Christ which lives in them.

When the wicked die today, they go to Hades, a place of fire and torment. They go there not because of the bad things that they've done, but because they do not have the Spirit of Christ.

At the end of Revelation, the wicked and Hades (and all the people in it) are thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is what we think of as "hell." Currently, no wicked people are there, but they are in Hades, a place of torment.

On that same Day, the righteous go to New Jerusalem, a city on a new earth with new heavens. This is where Christians spend eternity.

So you can see that "Hell" can mean "Sheol, Hades, or Lake of Fire" and "Heaven" can mean "Sheol, Paradise, or New Jerusalem."

When you die, you are not a ghost or an apparition, or a blob of light or something. You have a spiritual body, which has arms and legs. The exact specifics are shrouded from us, save to say that we are still created in God's image. Jesus is there in his glorified body as well as Enoch and Elijah--none of these three people's remains can be found on the earth. Samuel, however, was burried (his bones are in the earth somewhere) but he was raised up from Sheol and was recognizable. He wasn't a blob of light floating around. You have a body when you go to "Heaven."

Couple nights ago I dreamt that a plane crashed because of a storm.

2 days later, huge storm hit the east coast and the Vtech shooting... my dream wasn't far off.... creepy

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I don't get those dreams any more. I also believe some "ghosts" are demons.
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Had them since I was 4.

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Before Christ rose from the dead, people who died went to Sheol, or "the grave." This was a place that was divided by a great chasm with the righteous on one side and the wicked on the other.

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hey sheol means hell incase you don't know. in some languages they use sheol instead of saying hell.

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So you can see that "Hell" can mean "Sheol, Hades, or Lake of Fire" and "Heaven" can mean "Sheol, Paradise, or New Jerusalem."

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the new Jerusalem is the city that will come after the 1000 year rule of JESUS CHRIST .

what people call your ghost is your spirit which you have now(or your soul).

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hey sheol means hell incase you don't know. in some languages they use sheol instead of saying hell.

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Actually, the Hebrew word sheol simply refers to the place of the dead.

The bible teaches “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, ESV, emphasis mine) This teaches quite clearly that whatever presents itself to us in this day as those who have departed this life is a liar because it is clearly written that those who have departed this life forever have no more part in all that is done under the sun. Those who have entered into the glorious merciful, grace-filled presence of the LORD are otherwise occupied—much to their joy—while those who have not entered into that presence of the LORD are otherwise occupied—much to their woe—and they have nothing more to do with this life—ever. What does that leave to manifest itself as ghosts but the deceiver himself and his minions?

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"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
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Sheol appears 66 times in the Bible--about 30 times as "hell" and about the same as "grave." It's also translated as "pit." But whenever it appears, it is mostly devoid of hope, not like today, where we have "Heaven" to look forward to when we die.

Here's another clue about the afterlife before Christ: In 1Samuel 28:19, Samuel tells Saul that he will be "with him" the next day, meaning Saul will die. Samuel was a man of God. Saul was quite the opposite and both of them went to the same place. (Like Ecclesiastes testifies to, and also the story Jesus told about Lazarus.)

However, Scripture seems to avoid directly saying "So and so went to Sheol." Respecfully, it uses other terms when a person actually dies. "He was gathered to his forefathers." or "He was burried in the tomb of so-and-so." An exception is Numbers 16:33, the Korah rebellion. Every other incidence refers to sheol prophetically or somewhat poetically.

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Another "ghost-like" reference in the Bible is Matthew 17:3, the transfiguration on the mount, where Peter, James, and John see Moses and Elijah "appearing" before them. It seems that any time the Bible references "ghosts," it's actually the spirits (or spiritual bodies) of the good guys. A good guess is that things like hauntings and ghost sightings are the products of vain imaginations and doctrines of demons.

If ever I feel fear, or a presence of fear, I confirm aloud that God has not given me a spirit of fear, but one of love, power, and a sound mind; and I command that the fear leave the room in the Name of Jesus, and it always has.

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EDIT: Thought about this after I posted: I know Hell is real and is technically a place, but I am more asking like could it be a dimension or something that overlaps our 'physical' world and is more or less a prison sentance seperating the condemned from God but possibly enabling damned ghosts to do things in our world---again I am saying hypothetically and we prolly won't know until God fills us in--which I am fine with but this subject is good ammunition for story writng

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So, Satan, God, and Man all share the same space in the beginning of the Bible.

But today, we know that God is unseen, living in Heaven, and that Jesus had to "return" to Him, so that the Holy Spirit could "come back" to us. There was some travelling involved (long or short, who knows). In Isaiah, hell is reported to be ever-widening. This is confirmed in the story Jesus recounts of Lazarus and the rich man, being on opposite sides of an ever-widening chasm. So, whether we consider Heaven and Hell as in our dimension or not, they are ever-widening, getting farther away from us.

We know that the spirit of Samuel was raised up by the Witch of Endor (1Sam 28)., and that Enoch, Elijah, and Jesus were taken physically into Heaven. Paul went to the third Heaven, but he did not know if he was there "in the body" or not. John saw Heaven opened before him (it was above him) on the island of Patmos. Ezekial saw similarly. And Moses and Elijah "appeared" before John, Peter and James. And we are told to be kind to strangers because by doing so some have entertained angels unknowingly.

If you wrote a story from this perspective, it would be biblically sound. I can't think of one time that the spirit of a person in Hades or Hell came to haunt the earth. I don't think that is Biblical. It's usually the good guys who go to and from Heaven.

Now, at the end of time, in Revelation, we see that we spend our eternity in a city called New Jerusalem, on a New Earth with a New Heaven. In the city, the Glory of the Lord (His very essence) is the light of the city. So, once again, Man dwells directly, physically with God. (We even have something of this today--the deposit of the Holy Spirit inside us.) The counterpart to New Jerusalem is the Lake of Fire. The only indication of where eternal damnation is says "outside the city gates." It's a little disturbing to think that Hell might be right next to Heaven. But in the story of Lazarus and the rich man, they could totally see each other and talk to each other. Again, a banquet table will be laid out before our enemies. So, maybe the occupants of Heaven and Hell are close by, but separated completely.

i asked around and you are right about sheol,it's the place of the dead, JESUS after he died on the cross preached the gospel for 3 days in sheol then he liberated those who were there.

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John 14:6

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John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

As for my view of death (for now...):
When we die we go to Sheol. (I think it could be possible to be saved there, the verse of Jesus preaching to the dead could be extended to this).
Now, there is something about Abraham's Bosom/Paradise that we go to (the Paradise mentioned by Jesus on the cross wasn't heaven, but this. could even be Eden)
(In the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man, the Lazarus was in Abraham's Bosom)
Anyhow, all of us wait there for the final judgment. (note: samuel rose out of the ground, from his rest. sheol)
At the trumpet call, the dead rise first, then the living.
There at the final judgement, we are judged to be pure/washed-by-the-blood or impure.

This, imo, answers questions about 2 judgements, 2 hells, etc.

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"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

I used to see, hear and talk to them all the time.

But, after I called out the NAME OF JESUS, then they left me. <Thank God!>

Well, what do you want to know about them?
Some are depressed, some are evil and others are REALLY EVIL MAN!

Jesus met them.
Here, just read below.

Was Jesus Hallucinating, when he talked to them??? No, I think not.

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Matthew 8:31-32
31 The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." 32 He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.

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God said to Noah, "The end of all living beings has come before me, for because of them the earth is filled with violence. I will destroy them along with the earth.
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