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"Be nice to the nerds because later on, you'll be working for them" - Bill Gates

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1 Corinthians 15:58 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be strong and steady, always enthusiastic about the Lord’s work, for you know that nothing you do for the Lord is ever useless. (NLT)

Tired of loosing your work for all eternity? Jesus Saves! You should too :P (liek every 1 1/2 seconds) This is a message from teh save the data foundation, and from (CTRL + S): Because da data is y00r future. Maybe.

http://www.leftbehindgames.com/pages/controversy.htm

"We're surprised by the comments of many critics as they have neither seen nor previewed the game, which is still under development. Several months ago, there was a news story with erroneous information about the game. Unfortunately, some readers accepted the misinformation as being factual, and then the rumor mill and the blogs were off and running."

Or this thread:

http://www.gameace.org/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=250

Plus, there is nothing wrong with controversy. It just means they are getting public recognition. Look at the travels of Paul in Acts. It was one controversy after another. He got arrested, beaten, stoned and left for dead, etc. Jesus caused enough controversy to get murdered. If there's no controversy, then nobody knows about you, or your gospel has been replaced with warm, fuzzy, politically correct platitudes.

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We received this in response to the recent controversy detailed in our "Left Behind Series Based Video Game Comes With Built-in Spyware" post from the makers of the Double Fusion software.

Double Fusion is not spyware. Spyware is a category of malicious software designed to intercept or take partial control of a computer's operation without the informed consent of that machine's owner or legitimate user.

Double Fusion technology is a module that game publishers and developers ship with their game, which allows for the display of advertising in the game and provides the required tracking functions needed to support the sale of that advertising to advertisers.

Specific information about what information is, and is not, collected, is always included in the game's End User License Agreement, so gamers have given their permission for the software to be in use, just as they did for the game to be in use. So it is inaccurate to say we do anything "without your knowledge or permission."

We do not, "record who you are demographically." The software does not know who the user is, or anything about that user. We do not monitor "choices or behavior" or anything along these lines. Double Fusion monitors how long ads are on screen, and when, and where, for the purpose of reporting to advertisers; this is clearly stated in the EULA.

With regard to the original blog that misinformation was spread from:

The quotes from the Double Fusion web site are accurate, and, match what was stated above. We collect anonymous information about how ads are viewed by an aggregated gaming audience to allow game companies to subsidize their development costs through advertising. We do so with permission, and do not collect personally identifiable information. Ours is interactive advertising, not spyware.

The story in TalktoAction has a number of other inaccuracies. We did not raise an additional $5 million. We have a founder named Guy Bendov but not David Bendov. We do not employ a 15-second impression model.

There was no fact checking and no one ever contacted Double Fusion about the article. We stand behind our technology and approach, as do many game publishers from multiple countries around the world.

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"Patience, my good citizen, patience. It's bad enough to rob a man of his dream"
-Sydney Carton, Tale of Two Cities
Soterion Studios

Seemed to be pretty positive overall. The Jack Thompson comments were to be expected. Nice to see that Bill and Tom were in there too. Surprised Ralph wasn't in there.

This is also the first time I've seen the game in motion. Looks pretty good, actually.

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Your love, O Lord, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies.
Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your justice like the great deep.
O Lord , you preserve both man and beast.
How priceless is your unfailing love!

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Originally posted by Gump:
http://www.cnn.com/video/partners/clickability/index .html?url=/video/tech/2006/07/06/rowlands.christian.video.games.cnn

Seemed to be pretty positive overall. The Jack Thompson comments were to be expected. Nice to see that Bill and Tom were in there too. Surprised Ralph wasn't in there.

This is also the first time I've seen the game in motion. Looks pretty good, actually.

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a hero. a legend. a man.

err... I hope it's ralph bagley.

I'm really wondering when their next game will come out. they've been silent for years.

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"Patience, my good citizen, patience. It's bad enough to rob a man of his dream"
-Sydney Carton, Tale of Two Cities
Soterion Studios

kinda like comparing doom and quake 3. (or maybe 2 is more accurate)

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"Patience, my good citizen, patience. It's bad enough to rob a man of his dream"
-Sydney Carton, Tale of Two Cities
Soterion Studios

Left Behind's music was created by the same guy that made the music for LOTR movies I think that's so awesome, when I was watching the game being played the game just had a high level of immersiveness and the music was amazingly epic.

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Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk.
C.S. Lewis

Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another: What! You too? I thought I was the only one.
C. S. Lewis

www.christiangaming.com

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2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

*Caution..Do this at your own risk of being exposed to "spyware"*

If you go to their webpage and start to scroll down...no....it can't be... on the left side....AHHHHGGGG!!! spyware!!!!

By their own standard a 13 yr old christian could visit their website and be exposed to these unsolicitied ads. Now they have the 13 yr olds info do with as they please, his IP address, approximately his demographic profile, what kind of system he is running on, browser type, etc, etc.....

Even worse still, if this innocent victim clicks on one of these ads, Talk2Action makes moneys of the poor chap! Hypocricy?

Now..are they REALLY using spyware.....no...just dynamic ads from other companies that are strategically placed to bring in some additional $$$ for them- sound familiar? Just a case of pot calling the kettle orange.

Having said that, I don't know much about the Left Behind game but IF it is true that you can choose to fight on the side of the antichrist and hunt down and destroy christians --- that IS DISGUSTING. Kinda like a game where you play the NAZIs and have a grand ol' time hunting down and killing the Jews...NOT COOL!! But maybe I'm misunderstanding.

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No one gets into Christian entertainment because of the money.

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Very good point. In fact very similar to the reality that most people don't get into the Indie Games business because of the money, yet we at GarageGames still have many conspiracy theorist members in our community (and non members) that seem to think we are laughing all the way to the bank (if they only knew that many of the exec staff didn't take home checks for years into the company). Nothing to do but laugh about it. Take the blow, learn what you can, and move on. Best not to take claims too seriously and/or get riled up about them.

God gave us a mind for a reason, we need to use it when challenged by naivety to respectfully withdrawl and use it to feed our passion to spread the truth and make great, fun, and God worthy games.

At least thats my take on it

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Matthew Langley
Docs and Demos Team
TGB Dev Team
GarageGames

I've played the game. It was horrible. It sounded good on paper, but fell apart in execution.

Here's a link to my review: http://www.furytech.net/greviews/left_behind_eternal_forces_beta_review.php

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Author of FuryBand
Christian Devotionals, blogs, and forums

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Left Behind's music was created by the same guy that made the music for LOTR movies

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Chance Thomas did Left Behind. (he did Lord of the Rings, the game, tho)
the music wasn't bad at all. unfortuantely, I couldn't get past the load screen.

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"Patience, my good citizen, patience. It's bad enough to rob a man of his dream"
-Sydney Carton, Tale of Two Cities
Soterion Studios

[This message has been edited by ArchAngel (edited September 28, 2006).]

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As for the DVD release of the movie first, I talked to someone from LB (cant remember who exactly now), seems they were more interested in getting the story out to everyone and having it used as a witnessing tool for churches than trying to simply pull in a buck, which would have been more if they released it in theaters first.

As for making money selling Christian Games, books, movies or anything:

1 Cor 9:3 This is my defense to those who sit in judgment on me. 4 Don't we have the right to food and drink? 5 Don't we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and Cephas? 6 Or is it only I and Barnabas who must work for a living?

7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat of its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink of the milk? 8 Do I say this merely from a human point of view? Doesn't the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more?

Oh by the way, regarding the game, they should have replaced the metal with rap, that would have been more accurate lol j/k
At least they didn’t make it Cowpunk, I could have taken it all personal like in that case

Oh yeah, I just realized in my insomniac thoughts, if this game does in fact have spyware, they will know for sure after the rapture… the game will be caught up in the twinkling of an eye but the spyware will be left behind [insert drum roll here]

[This message has been edited by Faith_Warrior (edited September 30, 2006).]