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kiwee

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When we die and go to heaven, will we remember life on earth?

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... Well i think... no...

Well, we'd have to remember SOMETHING, but we can't remember sin? or can we? I doubt it, since god can't be in teh presence of sin, and he washed it from us in the first plac so we could GET INTO heaven...

good question kiwee...

i have another one somebody else could answer (hopefully BOTH questions)

when we die, do we go straight to heaven, or do we wait untill judgment day, when the dead rise and be judged??? Would death be like sleeping? we just wake up at judgment day?

*confused*

i'd much rather just go straight to heaven (being God so kind as to let me in... / ) then wait till jugement day, but do we know for sure? (see, in college im going to study (or my plan is to) Game Development and Theology... then i'll know these things (or atleast have a better grasp of the information at hand...)

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pabloaiz

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Of course we'll remember.

Jesus rembers things from the past and event on earth, and so do the patriarchs, apperantly. Plus there's no reason for the memories to "vanish" because they're tied in with you soul.

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well, let's look at what memory is formed of. it is essentially neural connections in our brain, firing off. entirely physical in nature. while it seems only natural that we'd have it, it also seems natural we will be in our own body.

will God grant us some of our physical traits, or something similar to it? I don't know.

what we have, tho, is perfect knowledge, through God. considering how flawed and skewed memory really is, it's kinda a step up.

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Lol, like getting an upgrade on your RAM, or rather a complete system overhaul *contemplates the possibilities*.....I'd like to upgrade to a G4 plz, and make it a desktop.....

There seems to be more to memory than just remembering though.....some memories really touch your emotions and never really leave you, almost like they become part of your soul, while others (like the info for my last Science test) seem to drift away into the abyss of nothingness....Just a few thought to chunk in.

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kiwee

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but the thing is, the bible says that we will "get a new body", so does that mean that the memories of life on earth are on our earthly body or do we get a "back up" copy?

RM, i think that we will have to wait, but we won't have to wait very long at all, because heaven isn't bound by the laws of time.

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I do remember something about Abraham's Bossom, or something that goes commonly by that name. A sort of "holding place" if you will, mentioned somewhere in the gospels during the story about the rich man and the poor beggar who sat at his gate.

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ArchAngel

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Abraham's Bosom was basically the place the followers of God went BEFORE the crucifiction. also, Paradise, which Jesus tells the theif on the cross, could possibly be that. there is also a possibility that even we go to Abraham's bosom and it's not until the day of Judgement do we get into heaven. "The Dead shall rise first, and then the living"

another theory holds that Abraham's bosom is also Eden.

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Personally I like to have some scriptural backup for theories, I'm just not in the mood today to discuss deep theology

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ArchAngel

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there is some, but I'm not in the mood for deep theological debate either.

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Actually the bible teaches that our bodies will be raised incorruptable, It will still be physical though not bound by some of the rules we currently ascociate with physicalness.

Jesus is actually the only and a fairly clear example of this. He was glorified, people sometimes recognized him, and other times did not because of his glorified state. He was able to pass through solid objects, but also able to eat etc. The bible says that Jesus was the first fruit of the resurection. In other words, our physical resurection will be like his because his was the first of what is to come (ours).

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Brandon

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As for the original question. I'd have to say yes. Paul described a very powerful picture. He says this in Hebrews 12: "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. 2Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." These witnesses were described in the previous chapter, they include Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isacc, Jacob, Moses, Rahab, Samson, and many others. These are witnesses... that means that they know what we are going through here because they are... "witnesses"

See I believe that God won't make us blind to the sins that we've committed, for that would make what He did at the cross meaningless to us. I believe that God wants us to be completly aware of where we came from, this will make our rejoicing in heaven all the more precious. We will be able to sing a song that the Angels do not know. Even now we know what it means to be redeemed. But when we do enter that wonderful place and forever live in Gods presence and remember where we once were and what the One seated on the Throne did to bring us there... wow.

So we will remember sin, but it will be impossible to sin. An example would be what C.S. Lewis said, "there is no use in saying that you choose lay down when it has become impossible to stand!" God will not allow sin to go unpunished, but that doesn't mean that knowledge of sin will not exist... God's not in the business of cover-ups, He's in the business of shining light into darkness and refining all the mess that hides there into the very image of Christ.

I'd suggest reading Hebrews. It's a really, really great read!

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kiwee

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I have read Hebrews, just not with that train(poop poop, chugachugachugachuga, poop poop ) of thought.

You said about not being able to sin in heaven, I know it says so in the bible, but why? why can't we sin in heaven, Satin/lusifer managed it

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Brandon

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Well I think that I know WHY we won't be able to... A simple answer would be because we'll be complete, and conformed to His image. Adam and Eve were not this way in Eden, they were innocent not knowing of right and wrong... God said that everything was GOOD not PERFECT.

So that may be a reason WHY we won't be capable of sin, but I'm not sure HOW we won't be able to. I would think that it'd have something to do with the fact that we'll be higher than satan was when we he commited the original sin. We'll know all about that "silly mistake", and how crazy it is to turn on the Author of Truth and Life Himself (for He is the very source of life.) And mainly, our choice is to be made here and now in this life, for when God does return in all of His splendor, and this reality as we see it now rolls away (like a dream), and something unimaginable comes crashing in, we'll know then, more than we could ever know here. (Yes, I've quoted from Mr. Lewis yet again )


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quote:
Originally posted by kiwee:
When we die and go to heaven, will we remember life on earth?



I don't see why not... although if heaven is perfect... wouldn't unperfect memories ruin your experience?


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Originally posted by kiwee:
RM, i think that we will have to wait, but we won't have to wait very long at all, because heaven isn't bound by the laws of time.


Time augh! How can there be no time? I must not get started or I'll get a headache trying to figure it out

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have you ever thought it's ok not to know everything? I mean, where will thinking about this get you? It's normal to think about it, but, really, why even seek the illusion of understanding what will happen? Don't waste your time! Live!
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quote:
Originally posted by Ereon:
Personally I like to have some scriptural backup for theories, I'm just not in the mood today to discuss deep theology


no theories will be made here, look up the definition, these are only ideas. An idea is not tranlatable immediately to a theory, which is why the "theory of intelligent design" will never be recognized as a theory.

http://www.dictionary.com/

ArchAngel

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one of the definitions from the site you provided:
"An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture."

um. yeah, we are making theories here.
Intelligent Design is atleast a conjecture.

but then again, I'm not one to use dictionary.com to prove my points, unless in semantics.

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Well some would contest that the Bible isn't a reliable source of information or knowledge, in which case our "theory" is negated to them.

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Ereon

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Which is the reason such question are, though interesting, ultimately futile, because its something that cannot be verified from experience until after death, and is inconclusive at best under any circumstance, given the inability to attain impirical information on the subject .

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um... well, the rich man when he went to hell asked that someone (i think it was lazarus) be sent back to warn his 5 brothers... sounds like he remembered to me

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Ereon

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Lol, bravo Buddboy, nailed it Ack, I feel like kicking myself, why didn't we remember that in the first place .

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ArchAngel

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it's just a parable. their not ment to be taken literally, and only used to teach a specific lesson.

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well... NYEH!! j/k... lol, but still... NYEH! sorry, just in a NYEH! mood... little stressed... good point tho...

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ArchAngel

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my goal in life is, after all, to shatter people's dreams.

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Lol, sorry, was a little to eager on that one, thanks for clearing that up Arch.

To unthumper: Firstly, part of life IS to know, I'd rather "waste" my time in at least attempting to understand the inconceivable and see the unseeable. Part of the joy of life is to discover, conjecture and learn, to take that away turns us into nothing but a bunch of sensory guided buffoons who care only about their own pleasure. Personally I'd prefer a life of seeking beyond what we know (or think we know) in apparent "futility" to one sent "Living" in only what I think I know and understand. There's more out there than any of us could ever comprehend or hope to comprehend if we lived 10 times longer than we will, but that doesn't mean we need to stop trying.....

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i think we'll remember something, how could we call Christ saviour up there if we didn't remember what being "saved" was? just food for thought.

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