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Why make gta? – luke

luke

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You all probably know about games like gta, doom, and resident evil. Well i was wondering if any programmers have turned down an assignment to make a game like that(presumably christian), because I know that I would turn down that kind of opportunity, because A: God doesn't like it and B: shooting grandma after I pulled her out of a car doesn't appeal to me. Why would any real christian(or any other faith for that matter?) programmer make such a game?

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Angel

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Do you play Doom, GTA, RE, FF, Heroes, Warcraft, Diablo, Dunguen Siege, Spy VS Spy, Medal Of Honer, Twisted Metal, Crono Cross, Gontlet, Ninja Gidon, Black Hawk Down, or any game that has killing, the controling of demons, skeltons, murderers, vampires, exc.?
I'm just wondering is all.

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CobraA1

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quote:

Well i was wondering if any programmers have turned down an assignment to make a game like that

I've never really been given such an assignment. Most of my computer classes focus on creating applications, not games. Even when given the oddball game assignment, it's usually a simple 2D thing.

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Do you play Doom, GTA, RE, FF, Heroes, Warcraft, Diablo, Dunguen Siege, Spy VS Spy, Medal Of Honer, Twisted Metal, Crono Cross, Gontlet, Ninja Gidon, Black Hawk Down, or any game that has killing, the controling of demons, skeltons, murderers, vampires, exc.?

I usually play RTS games (command & conquer, age of empires, etc), although I've played some of Half-Life & mods. Recently, I've been playing URU, which is non-violent.

I have been playing with Torque in an attempt to create a Christian 3D game. Only time will tell if I can finish it, though.

I've seen Doom 3 being played by a friend, and there's no way I could play a game that bad. Most FPS games are bad enough, Doom 3 goes way over the edge, IMHO.

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luke

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yeah, i play Rome total war, Medal of honor, and some rts like generals, but my line is drawn at excessive blood, gore, and pointlessly over violent(shooting police ect) and anything M rated or >

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Realm Master

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*tries very hard to imagin an old grandma in Doom...*

nope, she seems out of place

*little old lady sitting on a metal bench feeding demonic-mutated pigions as the main dude in doom is blowing the ever-loving snot out of countless deamons with a BFG in a very haunted atmosphere. A shredded mutated arm falls on on of the deamon-pigons and the little old lady picks it up and cuddles it saying, "there there, poor dear!" (the mutated pigon, not the arm)*


nononono! that does NOT work!

whats gta?


Gross Turgin Airlines?

Gothic Turban Association?

Gurrilla Tactical Attack?

Grizzly Tackle Alpines?

Gitantic Ticanic Abomination?

Got To Ask?

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CheeseStorm
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Grand Theft Auto.
You play as a criminal, getting assignments from people, and going around town to finish them.
jaykay
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I thought GTA was very good.

Yes the violence is controversial. And the hot coffee did get blown out of poportion ( how hard is it to delete something not meant for release?). But when people rave on and on about killing cops and old ladies they only see the violence. They do not see that your warrant goes up. The cops come after you and arrest you.

I hate it when people blame video games for violence. This stuff has been going on for ages. Look at your parents. Chances are they like different music and tv shows. Why? They are from a different generation.

My grandparents came from a generation where rock was the devil. But it is just a form of expression.

You cannot blame forms of media for causing violence in the public society. If a song, tv, or game says go kill someone you (or parental unit if under age) should have the responsibility of telling reality from fiction.

Sorry for ranting.

edit: spelling

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Realm Master

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Still, playing the bad guy isn't something i like doing, but I think you have a point.

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jaykay
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Realm Master you and only you have the choice of playing the bad guy or not. And in your choice comes your actions. Do them with caution young padawan.

Lol im a loser :P

One thing I would like to capitilize on is the next major controversial media form. Im guessing it will be the internet or television.

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Max

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I play GTA and stuff. It's just a game.

I can differentiate fiction from reality

I'm very good at differntiation from Calculus lol.

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Jari

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We should focus our thoughts on pure things, not on violence. And I don't think it matters do we watch watch people fighting each other in real life, in movie or in game - it's all the same.

Even humans have been violent from times of Kain games like movies do give people ideas. This is undeniable unless you refuse to believe people who blame games for their violent behaviour. For all my youth me (that was then) and my friends have taken sample of fighting games and such.
And some people claim that they got their violent actions from games like GTA and I do believe they have.

When I played GTA3 the game gave me real feeling of being bad guy and evil few times. I know it's 'just' a game but the it's about murdering in mind and that already is a sin.

So I sure wouldn't make game like GTA nor play it and yet I used to enjoy games like it but not any more and thank Jesus for that!

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jaykay
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Welp jari as long as you dont blame the video game industry for your murdering rampage then all is fine ( besides the fact of a murdering rampage).

A video game or and other media cannot cause a person to go out and kill someone. If you look at Columbine you will see that the video game did not make them do it. It was that they were social outcast. NO friends and their parents were in a miltia. The game did not give them the training. The militia did.

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Brandon

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I've turned down the opportunity of working with a company in the development of an incredibly violent game before. The violence in this game was similar to the grotesque images of the God of War game.

GTA is just a game, and games don't make people kill other people. But as with any other form of media, they sure can help to desensitize us to certain things. If you don't believe me, then do some research on combat simulation and the Military.

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jaykay
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Brandon you are right. But being desensitize is not always bad. Like you said you dont want a soldier going into war and freeze when a wave of enemies comes. Sure you can argue that we are citizens and need not be desensitized to murder. Well im sorry. It will happen and only thing you can do is keep you and your family away from it. You can not keep it from happening.

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Brandon

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I think being desensitized to lawlessness is not good. It's not a question of whether lawlessness and murder happens or not. But rather one of how we feel towards it. Murder is indeed horrible, and we must face it everyday. But making murder and lawlessness into a form of entertainment is what I don't appreciate. I know that I can't keep lawlessness and murder from happening. I wasn't saying that at all.

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Max

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Sigh, so, it's wrong to play them? Is that the overall message? Cus I guess I don't agree at all. Or, I admit to being a lesser Christian than most of you. Maybe I will be damned to hell because I play GTA, but if God was that spiteful, then we'd all be in trouble. Oh well...

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jaykay
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God gave us free will for a reason. Or so everyone says. Heres a joke.

How do you make God laugh?

You make a plan.

Geez that one always gets me laughing.

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Brandon

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As for whether it's right, wrong, or okay, I'd say that it's definitely wrong to knowingly and continually desensitize your conscience.

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Or, I admit to being a lesser Christian than most of you. Maybe I will be damned to hell because I play GTA, but if God was that spiteful, then we'd all be in trouble. Oh well...

Max, I'm not saying that anyone would go to hell for playing any game. The single reason that people go to Hell is because they reject the Only Way to Heaven. You can't be anymore or anyless a Christian than anyone else. The ground is level at the Cross.

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Your love, O Lord, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies.
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O Lord , you preserve both man and beast.
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Max

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Yea, I agree, I was just in a spiteful mood.

Hmmm, what if you already are desensitized to it?

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Blind belief is dangerous. - Kenyan Proverb

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Jari

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quote:
Originally posted by Max:
Yea, I agree, I was just in a spiteful mood.

Hmmm, what if you already are desensitized to it?


Then pray for God about it.

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jaykay
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Whats wrong with being desensitize to something as long as you know if it is right or wrong?

Ex.
Someone kills cop.
Me:meh, cop died. killer needs to serve. hope family fairs well.
Everyone elsee: omg how horrible are you? you dont know what they are going threw. *cry cry cry*


See? As long as you know right from wrong then you can be . If your not taught right and wrong then being desensitized is dangerous.

Edit: just noticed how horrible that ex is. . hope yall get that im trying to say is if you know its wrong(or right) but dont feel any emotional tie then its fine.

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Brandon

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Hey jaykay. Yeah, I see what you are saying. But I don't think it's ok. If someone is desensitized to violence and lawlessness then even though they may know that it is wrong, they won't care. It's the attitude of our hearts that God sees and judges, not our knowledge.

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Your love, O Lord, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies.
Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your justice like the great deep.
O Lord , you preserve both man and beast.
How priceless is your unfailing love!