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War of morality – brandon

Brandon

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I think that one of the greatest deceptions that is taking place that I see unfolding before my very eyes is the degrading of morality. Today I was just plain out shocked! I was watching TV with my brothers, (this is regular TV, we don't have cable,) then this commercial comes on... it was basically porn! This half dressed woman was dancing around on a car and washing herself, I won't get too graphic with the details. But she had this burger in her hand and was taking bites out of it while posing on the car. At this time, I'm just saying out loud... "I can't believe what I'm seeing... I can't believe this..." At this point I couldn't figure out if it was a playboy commercial, or a car commercial... It turned out in the end to be a Hardee's commercial!!!

Later on watching more TV I saw this news report on ET about Jessica Simpson. Well, her video was basically porn as well. Then they showed her in church at a younger age singing for the choir... I nearly broke into tears at this sight. And what was even worse was that her own father tried to make excuses for her new music video! He said things like "This is between her and God, the rest of the world is just going to have to deal with it." and "She isn't trying to be sexy like a playboy model, she's just dancing around like her sister or mother would do at home." I mean, come on now... who is he kidding?

Basically today all types of media are bombarding us with sexual images, songs, posters, commercials, billboards on the highway, sex shops, just about everything! A small but powerful church in the inner-city of Kansas City MO, is going to be shut down this month... (unless a miracle occurs.) Wanna know why? The owner of the property is going to destroy the church building and build a porn shop in the same place! Also, the reports about the sexual attacks that I hear on our local news station get worse everyday... this seems to growing exponentially! What can we do to counter this? We can pray of course, and should do so. We should also take some sort of action... I really don't know how, but this has gotten much to far out of hand...

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ArchAngel

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hell's coming to earth. it always has.

there really is nothing new under the sun.

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Jari

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Yes it's sad. You cant really rest your eyes on anything you see in city, porn everywhere. Not to mention TV.

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ArchAngel

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yeah, I hear it's bad in europe.

oh well, everybody has their issues.

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Jari

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I wish it would be just our issue. Those poor blind people just go with the flow...

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Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1


And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. - Isa 32:17

goop2

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You wouldent believe what Ive seen on the Young Adult bookshelf.....

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"Its one of those... Chevy vans..."
"Um, we do not have 24 hour road service"
"What? What do you mean? its not even dark yet!"
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CheeseStorm
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What would you suggest as a solution?
They will do anything to get attention, and money.
goop2

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I try to go somehere else when that happens, but its already to late cause Im already counted... it sucks.

Maybe a poll or petition or something?

[edit] woops, put pool instead of poll

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"Its one of those... Chevy vans..."
"Um, we do not have 24 hour road service"
"What? What do you mean? its not even dark yet!"
"We do not have 24 hour road service" - Audio Adrenaline

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CapnStank

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Well face it there's next to nothing to do for the whole you must act for yourself. Your choices are:

A) Ignore it.
B) Try to influence others around you
C) Devolope a sence of humor and deal with it.

Its the models who sell their bodies and image for the highest bidder not you. Its only offending you because you let it. As for the attacks.... learn some self-defence?

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Jari

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The least we can is not to buy some product that is advertised in dirty way.
You could always start product boycott campaign.

And I think there was already some demands to boycott hardee.

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Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1


And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. - Isa 32:17

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Simon_Templar

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Brandon,

Its an important realization you've hit. You are in a war. The war is for hearts and minds, its a war of ideas and philosophy etc. I highly recomend that you read "A Christian Manifesto" by Francis Schaefer

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Nomad
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Romans 12:21 - Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Do not merely dismiss these individuals as "selling out" or whatever it may be phrased as, as that would be adding evil to evil; pray for them vehemently. And pray for opportunities to remind those you claim are selling to the highest bidder that there is no one that could bid higher than the life of Christ Himself; pray that these opportunities would be plenty and capitalized upon. As you proceed into the fight, keep your armor ready (Ephesians 6:10 or so?), remember (and remind your fellow fighters) that your eyes are the lamp for the body (Matthew 6, in that Sermon on the Mount), and know that the victory is the Lamb's.

HeistheOne

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YES NOMAD!

Brandon, I think we can all relate to the "depression" society can instill in the heart of Christians. We really do need to fight against it and the suggestions put out are good ones, they just have to fall into action. The boycott might seem unrealistic because the word boycott connotates this massive ordeal where businesses lose tons of money based on immoral practice or political enmity, but think of how Christianity even started... 13 people... which really started as one. So go for it, reach out and act on what are really your Christian "instincts." Don't buy that product that advertises with flesh or some other sinful means. Someone asks why, tell 'em the Truth. If they agree cool; if they think you are crazy then at least they know your ideology and so they have been made conscious of the Lord's Name and we are one step closer to saving the world.

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The woman was Parris Hilton that was in the commercial. Like Christ said it is easier for a camel eye to go into a needle than a rich person to go to heaven. Well something like that. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

As for Jessica Simpson and her family. Her father Joe was a protestant pasture which as you see many interpret the bible the way they want. Well the father knows that sex sells in this society. When compromised always compromised to the point you do not recognize it. Christianity will be twisted to be more of an atheistís preference than what God wants and people will die for it just because of the name and not for the original meaning.

As for society they say if you do not like change the channel, but now it is if you do not like do not watch TV, and if you do not like what society offers go some where else, and if you do not like that this society is imposed on everyone then too bad live with it. As we see people become desensitized and pushed and encouraged to do what society wants people to like. You can go to another country but the US will bomb the hell out of it to be more like it and call it freedom. This is not freedom we have in society since we have no choice but to see it everywhere we turn our heads.

ArchAngel

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to change the subject... Power does not corrupt. not at all.
It just shows up for who we truly are.
as Abraham Lincoln said, "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."

alright... back to the topic...

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Valkyri

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There is a particular quote:

In the world it is called tolerance but in hell it is called despair. The sin that believes in nothing, cares for nothing, seeks to know nothing, enjoys nothing, finds purpose in nothing nothing, lives for nothing but remains alive because there is nothing which it would die for.
-Dorothy Sayers

The quote is taken from this link to the book: The Veritas Conflict by Shaunti Feldhahn
it is: http://www.veritasconflict.com/Veritas1st2ndChptrs.pdf

Take the time to read all 30 pages.

We must show them the light, for the only way that we will be free of this darkness is to be the mirror of Christ. It is true that not one is of us is capable of understanding what is rightous, what is good. Now we who have chosen to accept Christ into our hearts can see. But they cannot understand. Only Christ can make them see. We can only be the vessel. Afterall, the Bible did say that the world would only become more and more corrupt with time as knoweledge became more and more progressed.

But the question is how?


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Curry
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To try to change things: evangelism + activism.

The media is in a war against morality, so we have to fight back against (those elements of) the media.

For starters, there's American Family Association, Concerned Women for America, and Morality in Media. They all have some ways to participate in taking action. But that's just the start; definitely more is needed and people should think of other ways besides just the ones that a few big ministries and org's call for.

Who's in charge of the media? A lot of people with good morals evidently didn't try to get into the field and dominate it. Maybe more young people with morals should try to do that.

If I was rich I would start a local broadcast TV station, seriously.

But about what to do in the short term, it needs all-out activism. Boycott is good but it needs to be really well promoted (I think one of those orgs I mentioned has already been warning about this commercial for a while). But those orgs still aren't getting enough results. Large numbers of people have to complain and protest to the companies (Hardee's for a start, and they are the tip of the iceberg), to the stations, etc. Picket the company with signs--that would get some attention. If there was a big budget--take out TV and magazine/paper ads encouraging people to save the culture and visit a website to take action. Letters to the editor--those are free.

Activism takes money and/or time. Churches would have the resources to do something, though, if they are motivated to do that kind of action. If a church or other established group boycotts a company, that's a numbert of people already and if those people inform their friends/family, then it can grow. (A group also needs to write and let the company know they are being boycotted and why, otherwise it's not so effective.) Churches could organize a good picket or protest too.

Those are some ideas. (I'm an activist.)

Curry




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I am curious where in the bible it said things will get worse, do you happen to have what verse it is?


Protesting against a company can not work since they give what the majority want. If 1 million people want shows like sex in the city, or games like GTA I do not think that 900,000 people will make a difference since the majority want it. The problem is to change how people in society act. It almost seems like a sinking ship.

The problem is that the ones that have power are not mostly Christian or at least not real Christians. You have atheists like Ted turner, or secular Jews which they admit they help make the porno industry, rap industry, how fashion, and entertainment in how it is today.

In India they have some standards. They do not allow kissing on TV and most of the movies or all are for the entire family unlike US how everything from movies, TV, music, and other forms of entertainment is being degenerated for money. Like Christ said the root to all evil is money.

bennythebear

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the LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

mathew 24:12 "and because iniquity sahll abound, hte love of many shall wax cold."

that might be one of the scriptures. i do believe things will get worse, that is sin will abound more and more until Christ's return. the majority of the world(well those who are part of the world) will be married and given in marriage according to Jesus Christ. i believe the world will be going about their daily lives when the end of time comes, and only the Christians will be vexed by the state of the world.

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Hisart

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Mr. Simpson is protecting his daughter's ability to bring him closer to his new god $$$. He'll say anything now.

As for the getting worse ...

Luke 17:26 "And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:"

Gen. 6:5-7 "Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was GREAT in the earth, and that EVERY intent of the thoughts of his heart was ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY, 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."

Every intent evil, the bad guys are still doing good things. It's going to get worse, ALOT worse!

Look up!
God Bless!
Hisart

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Brandon

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Amen. That reminds me of a short story I read here

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Realm Master

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YEECHH! porn. eww! yeah, i've seen that disgusting big-mac commercial too, i think it was a poor waste of money, thought guys having their car's washed by females expected a little more. (EWWW!).

its disgusting, and its not sometihing i should even know exist at the age of 13, as hormones begin their stupid assault on the brain and all that romantic crud. Bleah!

I can oly offer my avitar to the ppls to cheer them... yes, im tired, how'd you guess?

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Realm Master

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What the heck am I, a topic killer?!?!? it seems i always have the last post before a thread falls into darkness... :\

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Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right.
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luke

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you apparently do lol

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Max

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Unfortunately, Realm, I think it is an issue of annoyance....

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ArchAngel

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it wasn't a big-mac commercial, it was a carls jr/Hardies commercial.

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Realm Master

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Either way, it was a 1st rate peice of YUCCK!

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