goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I just thought of something... in the youth convention they had some stuff from Lincon Park, and Adam Sandler... is this realy right to do? Ive also heard about people using the wizard from LoTR for church uses. Its suposedly a Christian story because of the Good v Evil thing. I think its wrong to do that sort of thing. What do you guys think? ------------------ |
nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
hmmm.... |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
oh... never thought of it like that..... good answer! ------------------ |
Max Member Posts: 523 From: IA Registered: 09-19-2004 |
I think it is alright to use analogies to parrallel things. ------------------ |
Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
I've been told that the LOTR theme was based off of the Gospel, but in a parable type of way. It even ends with "Return of the King". We are God's 'precious' etc... I've been told this but I, *cough*, need to watch and read LOTR myself... Yes, I have been under a rock. ------------------ |
en972 Member Posts: 562 From: NOT TELLING! Registered: 08-27-2004 |
Linkin park is awsome. I dont see anything wrong with it ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Its not christian music though... and Adam Sandler is DEFINATLY not Christian! ------------------ |
Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: Ever since Adam and Eve ate from the tree of good and evil humans have infact seen the good and evil. We just have to pray for God to keep our eyes open. God bless. ------------------
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kiwee Member Posts: 578 From: oxfordshire, england Registered: 04-17-2004 |
quote: hehe, that made me laugh anyway, tolkien is a christian, so i guess it would be fine ------------------ [This message has been edited by kiwee (edited June 27, 2005).] |
Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: True but we don't know what kind of Christian... And the LOTR movies aren't straigth from he's writings.
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nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
quote: now that i've had time to think it about it some more, i think it is wrong. i can understand the reason for using those methods (it is quite common in youth outreach actually), but it is close to being deceitful. in a way, this type of thing amounts to sponsorship, as if it is being approved. in no way should the church or a christian approve of things that are not beneficial - either spiritually, mentally, physically, etc. my perspective is that outreach can be done without having to lower one's standards. it isn't that we are better than anyone else, just that we know how to overcome the traps of this world - those things that pull us down and drag us into a lifestyle that eventually pits us against righteousness, ultimately taking us back to before we became believers and followers of God. these things can be stumbling blocks, not that they always are, but it is something to beware of - especially in outreach where everyone is a weaker brother/sister. for those who have wrestled with the flesh and arrived at a place where they have their priorities straight (on God and not anything else) it isn't so much of an issue. but in the context of what you said, yes, i believe it is an issue. |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Hey that answers even better! Thats kinda what I had in mind. I think we can make our own stuff to help with ministries. They were using it in a good way, but it was still the same secular stuff. And Adam Sandler is still a dirtbag. He is very much agianst what were taught in church, so why would we encourage people to listen to him? ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
for one, truth is truth, regardless of who says it. I wouldn't say it's wrong, unless it's clearly stated in the bible to be so, although it could be wrong for some people.(possibly the eating-meat-sacrificed-to-idols syndrome). ------------------ |
CapnStank Member Posts: 214 From: Sask, Canada Registered: 12-16-2004 |
1. LotR does carry many things similar with religion. I may not be religious at all but I believe that making a connection to your audience is the best way to keep their attention so they'll learn something. Connecting to LotR would keep the younger audience in tune so they learn more. If you decide that it is not a good method then you're basically throwing away their attention. 2. Linkin Park sucks because they pass their music off as Rock or Metal where as its so computerized and altered that it is basically techno. They fell into the mainstream and people listen to their stuff because MTV tells them to. Don't let religion block what you listen to. I've heard music from all genres and the best stuff (in my comment) to listen to is not religious in any way. ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Yeah, I like both actualy... and no, Christians are usualy not this annoying, but when they see a guy like you they break out the halos ------------------ |
CapnStank Member Posts: 214 From: Sask, Canada Registered: 12-16-2004 |
quote: Well obviously. But I peek at other topics I havn't "tainted" yet and look at the crap spat out... I probably will change that soon because I wrote to get my point more globally across during the Quick Question topic. ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
WHAT?! Crap spat out HERE?! Geeze, I should look at more of the topics :P ------------------ |
HeistheOne Member Posts: 26 From: PA, USA Registered: 06-24-2005 |
I want to start by saying I'm really glad to have found a place like this on the web. I make that point because it supports my view; we are the Christian Coders Network right? So I agree, for the most part, with nfektious and those unanimous to (him/her?)--I believe that we are certainly more than able (by God's power) to create plenty of ministerial tools; i.e. art (of all forms), communities, crazy places like this where we get to find God in ASCII and UBB. Places, people, events like these can be made so beneficial to all of His children. I do believe that some, while still secular, "stuff" can be interpreted in a Christian way. I'll give a modern example, but seriously... the parables ought to be enough to convince one of that. Would mustard seeds really be even kind of spiritual if Jesus didn't compare us to them? Anyway, modern secular to Christian conversion: e.g. Straylight Run lyrics so, sing me something soft This can easily be taken as a good model for worship, analogous to the idea that it's not how you worship but that you do--even "bad" voices can sing to the Lord. Quite honestly, I think in order to be aware, true, and responsible as followers of God we really have to remain conscious of what kept us down to begin with: sin. Sometimes I listen to the secular music I own just to remember what life used to be like before I realized the offer of salvation (which had been there all along). Not that I consider that a sin, the listening, but I think about some of what the lyrics stand for... and I realize that I a) didn't pay enough attention and/or b) really had some bad ideas. And some stuff just doesn't have a lot to offer the spiritually inclined... porn? If anyone has a Christian application for that one, I'm thoroughly impressed. In all, secular is not always synonymous with sin, but obviously it can be. So basically, it's up to us to use anything and everything we can, I believe, to the spiritual advantage of all of this family we have everywhere. God's certainly willing to help, but we have to exercise our gift (of free will) and choose to start working at it. That's why I like this place... it's a place to start--with people, projects, friendships, etc. I'm going to go sleep now; it's after two a.m. in this part of Creation. God bless all of you ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I would just be disgusted if anyone came up with Christian porn... ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I came across a Christian Swinger site. it was funny to read their reasoning. something like "you see, when the bible says 'wife,' it really means... ... and we are supposed to love our neighbors..." ------------------ |
Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
quote: I do understand what you mean here. And I agree for the most part. But also, I might add that none of us have made it yet and we still have sin and problems that God is working out in our lives. I think that more so we should be thinking on Who has released us from the prison that we were in, and then give thanks to the Lord for what He has done.
quote: There is a Christian application. I think the most qualified person to help those who are in porn, or are addicted to porn, would be someone who once lived that way, but has since been saved and set free by Jesus Christ. And the application would be their testimony. Your own testimony is the most powerful witnessing tool that you can ever have.
quote: Ya know, ... that is like a good example of how people can quote the Bible out of context to make it say what they want it to say! The enemy is very good at that.
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CapnStank Member Posts: 214 From: Sask, Canada Registered: 12-16-2004 |
1. Christian Porn - Isn't that like an Oxy Moron or something? 2. "Crap spat out" - More of a personal outlook on the situation then a public point of view... I think you'd agree. ------------------ |
Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
quote: Could you explain what you mean here? I totally don't follow... ------------------ |
CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
His opinion of what's been said on some topics. |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
seems to me that crap spat out would be a global view... whatever. ------------------ |
Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
I'm all for being selective in what we use for Christian youth groups etc.. Frankly, most of what I've seen go on in youth groups etc is worthless. Not necessarily because it is unchristian but simply because it is pointless. They spend all their time trying to do "cool" "xtreme" or "edgy" things rather than teaching truth. Who cares if you can eat pudding out of a diaper or have people spit in a cup and drink then drink it (both activities I've heard at "youth groups"). I don't know much about linkin park, so I can't talk much about them, though I do like some of their music. Adam sandler.. well I think just about anything can be used as a teaching medium.. it just depends on what your trying to teach. Are you just tossing in adam sandler because "the kids these days like him" or do you have something valuable to bring out or illustrate from one of his movies?
As for tolkien.. he was a very devout Christian, a Roman Catholic which no doubt will earn some people's ire. I have great respect for the man in his personal life and his views on faith and religion. On top of that he is probably the greatest story teller of the 20th century. The movies are but a shadow of the books.. however, even the movies are great. As I sit here I can't think of a sermon I've heard in my 30 years in church that has touched me, or motivated me in my responsability before God as much as the simple two minute conversation between Frodo and Gandalf when Gandalf says "so do all who see such times.. but that is not for them to decide. all we have to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to us." ------------------ |