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Existence – rizu

Rizu

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Do you think the reason for our existence is to recreate Genesis?
D-SIPL

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No

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Goldrush13

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quote:
Originally posted by D-SIPL:
No

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..... or yes I'm not fussed either way.

Genesis in a more advanced form though could be possible, mindless repetition probably isn't God's idea though but there could be several more human races from trillions of years gone by who went almost as far as us but then broke down causing God to end it and start anew with a race more advanced, the previous race could have ended in the early 1900's so god re-wrote all of it including time and started us up but with less or more resources and different attitudes, I like to think anything is possible but I'm sure there is a wealth of things that go against what I've just said.I wouldn't dismiss your suggestion just yet, but then again I don't fully know my Bible.

But let's keep the Phil Collins jokes down to a minimum though......

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Brandon

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Do you think the reason for our existence is to recreate Genesis?

Nope. Do you? I think that the main reason we exist is because God wanted to create us. And I for one am glad that He did.

Welcome to the forums btw.

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Max

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I think God created us because he had this great thing called love, and he needed someone or something to share it with. So he created us so he could love us, and us love him in return.

Just my thoughts, by the way, could someone explain what he means by recreating Genesis?

Thanks.

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Goldrush13

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He is a she, Rizu is Japanese for Liz.

In simple terms, recreating Genesis is effectively going back to the start, as you know Genesis is the first book in the Bible. Either that or reviving Phil Collins rock career. Probably the first assumption.

Goldrush13

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I'm surprised this died so quickly, try your questions somewhere else Rizu and you'll probably get some views.
Rhyolite

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No, our purpose is now far greater than 'Genesis'. We are now 'sons of God' and 'heirs to the throne', Adam was neither of these. This will make us 'higher' than angels in the spiritual realm, for angels are neither sons nor heirs.

"(Rom 8:13-24 NIV) For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, {14} because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. {15} For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." {16} The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. {17} Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. {18} I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. {19} The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. {20} For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope {21} that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. {22} We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. {23} Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. {24} For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has?"

I believe, like Max, that Gods primary reason for creating us was love and relationship. However, its important to remember that God does not 'need' us, He was already 'complete' in everyway - and that includes relationships.

Also, I believe there were other reasons for God creating us, which includes 'revealing His manifold wisdom to all of creation'. It can be a toughy if you think about it, but note that this was Gods 'eternal purpose'.

"(Eph 3:10-11 NIV) His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, {11} according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord."


God Bless,
Rhy

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GUMP

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"Recreate Genesis"? It would nice if I knew what you meant by that question.
Rhyolite

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I interpret the question to mean that either we are to recreate the 'paradise' of genesis (Garden of Eden) here on earth or for it to be recreated by God in 'heaven'. Of course, most of Genesis is not about the Garden of Eden, but about man's fallen sinful earth!

Creating a paradise on earth is definetly NOT our purpose, 'for the poor you will always have with you' etc etc etc. There are simply too many scriptures which completly negate this as a possibility.

God will make a perfect home for us 'in heaven', but it will not be a copy of the 'Garden of Eden'. Eden was purely 'physical', as were Adam and Eve. In 'heaven' we will be spiritual beings, and although are heavenly home may be physical in part, the 'city of God' will be on the 'new earth' (heaven) which it never was in Genesis. So I expect it will be somewhat different to the Garden of Eden, but the bible only gives us a few hints about it really.

God Bless,
Rhy

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Simon_Templar

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I would answer both yes and no.

God created Adam and Eve to live in paradise. This is more literal than most people understand. The word for garden in garden of eden means paradise. This also correlates in Hebrew Lore to the 3rd heaven which is a garden paradise, and this may possibly be what Jesus was refering to when he said to the Theif on the cross, this day you will be with me in paradise.

It is not correct to say that Adam (or the angels for that matter) were not sons of God as, infact, both adam and the angels are refered to in scripture as "sons of God" specificly because they were created directly by the hand of God.
When God created Adam he intended for him the same things he intends for us. God has always intended man to be in direct fellowship with Him, He always intended man to be like him (not to be him, but like him). So in that sense, yes we have the same purpose to our lives that Adam and Eve had in Genesis.

Existence is not,however, about man trying to create paradise on earth. It is impossible for man to create such a paradise, and the more we try, the worse we will make things. The great utopian works, Plato's Republic, and Moore's Utopia, both use satire to point out that any human attempt to create a society of paradise will inevitably fail, because it is beyond the capability of human nature.
The purpose of our existence is to become what God intended us to be, Adam and Eve began that journey in Eden, but they were very quickly derailed. So they never accomplished it fully. When we reach the culmination of history God will have used it to make us what he intends us to be. Then he will return us to the paradise we were originaly intended to live in, and he will dwell with us.

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