Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Aarrg!! I just had the most awful conversation with an "ex" friend of mines who used to be a Christian (and game developer) but has turned his back on the LORD ... His arguments are ridiculous, and I believe that he knows this. He thinks He knows everthing and makes jokes about what I say. Now the only thing that he cares about is becoming filthy rich and "what works" for him. I tried to talk to him but I just can't do it anymore. I think that I have turned my back on him :/ but I don't think that I can talk to him anymore... is there anything I can do? I am so fed up with the guy that I never want to even think of him again. You wouldn't belive the depths of his deception, ... it's mind boggling. I am so thankful to God that he isn't like me I really don't know what I should do. He might be reading this right now but I don't care. The guy needs some serious help, he's actually turned to atheism I believe. He doesn't care about facts either, even he can prove the Bible true scientifically. He just doesn't care. ------------------ "So many laughing at Jesus," |
Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
In my experience.. I find that most people believe what they want to believe. Humans are supremely adept at rationalization, justification, and above all, self deception. Really questioning yourself, and holding yourself up to the mirror is one of the hardest things to do in life, and most people rarely, or never do it. I wish that there was some brilliant advice i could give you about your friend, but all that I can tell you will undoubtedly seem simple, and I'm sure you already know it. Ultimately only God can lift the veil that obscures our sight, only God can set free our hearts from slavery to greed and self indulgence. Only He can open the eyes of the blind. It may be that God will use you, he may give you wisdom, a question to ask your friend, something to say... or God may use someone else, or God may visit your friend himself in the quiet of the night... The Spirit moves like the wind, where it comes from we don't know, and neither do we know where it may lead. ------------------ |
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d000hg Member Posts: 144 From: Durham, UK Registered: 07-27-2004 |
Seems no reason you can't be friends with a non-believer, or a follower of a different faith. You don't have to talk about that stuff with him if it just causes a rift. Instead you can just pray every time you are about to see him and just after he leaves... (PS you can't prove/disprove the bible either logically, scientifically etc. Otherwise it wouldn't need faith!!) |
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Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Hi there, thanks for the response! Yeah that's all that I can do now is pray,... cause it's like way out of control. I am friends with many unbelievers but not one that used to be a Christian and a strong one at that, it's like on a different level. Cause we used to witness to people and stuff and discuss God and the Bible all the time, and now he's like... gone. Agreed d000hg, you can't prove or disprove the Bible with science or history alone, you've gotta have faith! That's a great statement. Cause the person would always find a way to rationalize the "proof" away. I wouldn't be suprised if Jesus Himself came down and said to him "I Am" I bet that he'd make up something in his head and say "Yeah I think I had too much pizza and ice-cream that night" or something like that.
"So many laughing at Jesus," [This message has been edited by brandon (edited November 02, 2004).] |
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Skynes Member Posts: 202 From: Belfast, N Ireland Registered: 01-18-2004 |
I would be patient. God doesn't let his flock go away THAT easily... He'll get so far, then more than likely come back. I've found that a lot of Christians do spend a time 'backslidden' but eventually come back to the Lord |
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Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Hi Skynes. Yeah I agree. You're right. I'll be patient and also pray that he comes back to the LORD before it's to late. And pray that I never be drawn away from Christ by anything. ------------------ "So many laughing at Jesus," [This message has been edited by brandon (edited November 04, 2004).] |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
I am an atheist, and one of my best friends is a Christian. We've had plenty of Science Vs. Religion debates, and we're still good pals. Unless your friend is a snob who disses you for no reason, don't let his or your beliefs get in the way. [This message has been edited by CheeseStorm (edited November 28, 2004).] |
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Let the poor guy believe what he wants, maybe he doesnt believe the same bullshat you do, maybe he is one of the genious's that realized that proof = believing, and faith = **** that u wish would happen but u know aint gonna happen and u just need something to do cause you know **** has no point and when ur done u are a: burned to a crisp and stored in a jar, or b: rot in a box 6 feet under.... and during this time, no thought occurs.... wow! go figure! thoughts occur in the brain, and when ur brain doesnt work, thoughts dont work! hey! look on the bright side! sex before mairage is cool! |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
do you even know what proof is? proof is merely a factor that raises the probablity for a certain theory to be true. that's it. proof doesn't say what is true, but what is false. the very basis of science. now faith is just saying "I believe this to be true." ------------------ |
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your an effin idiot, facts dont just prove things wrong (eg. the BULLS.HIT bible, but they also prove things true, (eg.... if you spit against the wind, the force of physical, moving air, will thrust your phlegm back into your face. yeah, WHATS UP NAAOOW? |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
do you even know what science is? or are you spoon-fed by your kindergarden teacher? I was talking about proof, not facts. do you have dyslexia? or just a limited vocabulary? Proof (according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary): "the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact" facts don't prove things. facts get proven. seriously, do you think before you post? ------------------ |
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Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Hi zimmer_kole, it would be nice if you could use some form of decency when posting. As for letting him believe what he wants, I certainly will. But I will still encourage him to be honest with himself when going through a tough time in life. A good thing that's come in recent days is that he's not blind to the proof that the universe, and eventually life was indeed created by an all powerful being "God", and that existence is not a product of randomness and chance. But I won't make his life an open "Soap Opera" to anyone so I'll stop this there. So if you will, keep praying with me, Gods hand is on him ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Where is the proof of this God you speak of? There is as much 'proof' for a scientific explanation of creation as there is for the God theory (neither have any). Both opinions are equal, and often the harder you push, the harder he will push back. It's an effective counter-conversion tactic. |
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Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
quote: Yeah the creation of the universe can be explained scientifically, but it'd just be a theory. In the Bible, God Himself tells us how the creation was carried out. I don't think that both explanations are equal because the Genesis account is coming from God, and man made theories are coming from us. ------------------ |
GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
quote: I realize there are multiple definitions to the word "theory", but this mistake always makes me cringe. You are using theory as to mean an assumption or blind conjecture. The problem is that in scientific terminology a theory has usually been repeatedly tested and can also be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. So labeling something a theory gives it a greater status than you intended. [This message has been edited by Gump (edited November 28, 2004).] |
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LMFAO man, these poor saps are trying to use religious burns, that is ******* hillarious, but seriously, dudes, you owe god like 1023 hail marry's because you made me cry |
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O, and another thing, while we are on the topic of facts... It's a fact: Stupid people have stupid children. ArchAngel for GOD sakes, (lmfao is that not motherfuckin ironic) do NOT have childred, well i guess in bible terms, i could just say do not get married, (ooo burn) but seriously, dont stick it in anything else other than a ******* toaster. |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
zimmer, all your theories, ideas etc are made moot by the lack of character you show, the immaturity, the blatent disrespect for others here. Its not what we 'know' or 'think we know' that makes us up, men as they age ussually realise that the more they know the less they actually know. If you want to take part in constructive, or even contriversial debate, please do so in a mature way , please. ------------------ |
CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
Seriously, zimmer, get a grip. We're perfectly fine discussing facts if you want. Want to disprove the Bible? Go ahead, we're listening, list your facts. Just shape up and realize this isn't a kiddy forum here. We'd all like a little respect and maturity, please. ------------------ Switch Mayhem now available! Get it here |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
- How do we really know who wrote the Bible? - How can we confirm that the author's (authors') were not under the influence of mind-altering substances? - How do we know if the stuff they were writing was fact or fiction? - Why are some of the people in this book visited by angels in their dreams and are instantly regarded as being prophets or have their dreams stamped as being 'sent by God'? One time, I had a dream where I worked for some aliens, and I had to help them kidnap people, and I was running around on rooftops in a city, throwing people into a sack. What makes my dream so insignificant? How do I know my dream wasn't a message from God? Maybe the aliens from above were in fact angels from above - and the people I was throwing into a sack were in fact souls I am supposed to redeem... so I was converting them. Those are my main beefs with the Good Book. Seriously though, folks, there's some good stuff in there, good rules - like "Don't kill people". Yeah, I needed more than common sense to figure that one out. Really though, the Old Testament and stuff was cool, like 'an eye for an eye' or whatever. The New Testament though... 'turn the other cheek'... Then all the Islamic fanatics would run Earth. Sheesh... organized religion makes everything so complex. I've only read some of the Bible, just bits and pieces - the quotes in the previous paragraphs may or may not have been the word of God. Atheists Inc. is not affiliated with nor sponsored by God Corp, and assumes no responsibility for hurt feelings. Like come on, they're just pixels. |
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CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
quote: The answers to those questions deal a lot with the history of the Bible, and cannot be answered in a short forum reply. For the answers to your questions, I suggest you start at these places: http://www.christian-thinktank.com/
quote: Can you cite an example? In most cases, there's usually a better reason than just seeing angels in dreams. ------------------ Switch Mayhem now available! Get it here |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
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