theAnvil Junior Member Posts: 5 From: Registered: 02-17-2004 |
Did anyone else catch Mel Gibson's interview on Primetime and/or hear of his film entitled "Passion of the Christ"?? For those of you who haven't, it is "..a vivid depiction of the last 12 hours of Jesus Christ's life.." The film is rated R, I'm guessing because of blood and violence, some of which was played on the interview. First some of my thoughts on this. From the beginning of the interview on Primetime, I was very skeptical. I've seen Mel in some other movies, and he never struck me as Christian in the least. He talked about his life, and how we was into drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, etc, and he talked about he was at the top of it all: fame, popularity, money, you name it, but he said it wasn't enough. All the things he posessed did not satisfy, and that was his turning point. He wondered what the meaning of life was or something along those lines, which led him to Christ. He talked about believing that the scriptures are fact and believing in the Holy Ghost, and that nothing happens by chance. There was some discussion about his fellow actors and their criticism, namely Jack Nicholson. Apparently Jack sarcastically said something to Mel along the lines of: "So, how are things with you and Jesus?" Sounds like Mel is getting some flak, which is probably not giving him a confidence boost. I do not see him getting much if any support from the hollywood crowd. It seems one of the main "issues" is whether or not this film will fuel anti-Semitism, namely against the Jews. There was some talk about movies similar to this from back in the day that did spark hatred. By the end of the interview, I was surprised, yet still skeptical. His heart seems in the right place, but that is not for me to judge. The real question for me I guess, is what about the movie? I have not seen it yet, though I plan to. At the same time, I will prayerfully be on guard against veils that the evil one may attempt to cloud my vision. Biblical? apparently All things considered, if Mel is doing what God commands, more power to him. He could become ridiculed and even hated for doing this film. Matthew 10:22 and Mark 13:13 say: (NIV) "All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved." I am waiting to see how all of this unfolds. Mel says the film is "...about faith, hope, love and forgiveness. That's what this film is about. It's about Christ's sacrifice." Mark 16:15 NIV says "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation." This seems to the goal Mel is trying to achieve. Here are some quotes from Mel that I found noteworthy (all taken from ABC linked article at the end of this post): quote: http://www.passion-movie.com/ (movie website) http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/Entertainment/mel_gibson_passion_040216-1.html (abc news article) -- look off to the right on this page for related links http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271888/ (short msnbc article) |
GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
Several pastors I know saw a pre-screening of the movie. They thought it was so good that they bought out 10 days in a whole theater with 15 screens. My pastor thought the Anti-semitism charge was bunk. |
CobraA1 Member Posts: 926 From: MN Registered: 02-19-2001 |
Didn't see the whole thing, but saw pieces of the interview - I was impressed by what I saw. He stood up for himself, what he believed, and Christianity. He wasn't afraid of the skeptics, and he knew what he was talking about. It sounded pretty encouraging to me. Only God knows for sure, but I'd wager I'll be seeing him in heaven. As far as the ant-semitism charges go, he made it pretty clear - he's not racist, and in fact racism is against his beliefs. ------------------ [This message has been edited by CobraA1 (edited February 18, 2004).] |
BKewl Member Posts: 144 From: St. Charles, MO, USA Registered: 07-10-2002 |
quote: from http://www.kidology.org/zones/zone_post.asp?post_id=1932 (credit goes to Gump for originally posting this review ) We do need to be very careful not to focus on Mel too much. Yes, he did make this movie and that's great, but let's make sure all the glory goes to God. But, as has happened with many things in "Christian" industries these days (i.e. CCM, famous pastors, etc.), I think we tend to elevate people to places they don't belong. I pray that we all stay focused on the most important part of this whole thing (Jesus). I also fear that a lot of parents are going to take their kids to it because they see it's about Jesus :-/. That'll cause big problems... |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
will "the passion" inspire antisemitism? ABSOLUTELY However is "the passion" antisemistic? The fleshly nature of man has twisted the pure word of God and been used falsly as an excuse for many many evils - contrary to the clear message of the word of God. I am sure that some of those controlled by the flesh will use this as an excuse to hate just as they have the bible. I mean even the devil twisted the true words of God when he tempted Jesus. Also many of those who claim that "the passion" is antisemite also claim the same about literal interpretations of the 4 gospels.. But the truth about it.. The people who claim these things lack foundational knowledge of the gospel. That it was for the sin of you and me and them , and everybody that Jesus died, So Yes the jews were responsibile but no more than you or I, and actually God was responsible. THe bible says it was His plan that Jesus died, the whole longsuffering plan of redemption was and is God's idea. Actually Jesus dying on the cross (as represented in the passion) is the greated expression of Yahweh's love to the jewish people and to everybody in general. It is not hate, but love. Karl ------------------ |
Skynes Member Posts: 202 From: Belfast, N Ireland Registered: 01-18-2004 |
I think the whole racist thing was just made up for ppl to have a way to attack Mel Gibson, his film and Christ. |
nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111716,00.html The views expressed here concern me a bit. The perspective doesn't seem to be correct and in tune with being a Christian - it is mostly a viewpoint from the outside looking in. In that sense I am concerned over the portrayal of Christian culture. It is an easy thing to lose track of when you are so involved in a routine or habit that you don't really exemplify the essence of what it means to be Christian. I've been guilty of that and I'm sure I'm not alone. There is a God. But I sincerely question whether there is any such thing as honest media, let alone reporters with integrity and ethics to investigate facts. |
theAnvil Junior Member Posts: 5 From: Registered: 02-17-2004 |
quote: Well said.
quote: I hear you. The media is out to make a buck. If that means twisting the story or using "experts" to make it sound appealing, it is apparently ok. That is very disappointing to me.. being taken advantage of that way. It's like how do I filter the truth from what is false? |
Skynes Member Posts: 202 From: Belfast, N Ireland Registered: 01-18-2004 |
quote: Hence why I pay no attention to what the media says... |
Torial Member Posts: 73 From: Cedar Rapids, Ia, USA Registered: 07-23-2002 |
quote: I've noticed that Fox News takes a very anti-Passion view of things. I use their site regularly and have been disappointed with their attitude. However, I am not surprised since they tout Sex and the City so much right now! An honest reporter is like an honest politician: a rare treasure! ------------------ |
GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
I was entirely expecting this reaction. The controlling liberals in the US media REALLY don't like the idea of a popular movie that portrays Jesus from a literal reading of the Bible. |
nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
My only interest in seeing the film is to compare with scripture the accuracy of the representation. It may shake me up a bit, seeing the brutality that Christ suffered in such a direct manner, but it is still a movie depicting a person's interpretation of long past events. In my opinion, the movie has become a focal point and garnered too much clout over the true source - the Bible itself. I certainly do appreciate Mr. Gibson's attempt to authentically present the truth about the last days of Christ, but I am not sure I am so impressed as to claim the film to be inspirational in the same sense as scripture. After all, how many times has there been some great resemblance to the power of God that in retrospect can be questioned as to its validity and source? I am not going to go to the extreme to say that this film is a work of the devil, but I will caution every one to consider the facts in scripture first and guard your hearts with that before taking any emotionally justifiable response. |
D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
I've seem the trailer the film looks quite good. The depiction of the crucifixion i think will never be entirely accurate, i don't think even hollywood could ever truly depict what Jesus went through at calvary. I like Mel Gibson, even though he's always killing English people in his movies lol. We will all see when it comes out, God may have meant this to be a tool that he uses. --D-SIPL ------------------
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Torial Member Posts: 73 From: Cedar Rapids, Ia, USA Registered: 07-23-2002 |
quote: I can see your point... and certainly nothing extra-biblical should be held on to. For me, I am a visual person, and I hope that seeing this movie will help me understand (w/ my heart) just a little more the sacrifice that Christ made. There are parts that differ outright from Scripture, for instance Satan supposedly pays Jesus a visit at the Mount of Olives.. Here's my hope: that people seeing it will say: oh, this is what Christians mean when they say Jesus died on the cross for our sins. It will not be so abstract any longer for those with strong enough stomaches to see it. Wrt to the crucifixion, Gibson is supposed to be very accurate in its portrayal.. following medical texts that described Christ's condition through each step (I've actually read such an article).
quote: Here's my take on this: a lot of people are suddenly hearing about Jesus suffering on the Cross that don't normally hear it. The discussion has brought the suffering of Christ into the forefront of the american conscious. I think it provides an excellent opportunity to witness and answer questions about faith and how mature believers understand that we all sent Christ to the cross, not just the Jews. Another plus is that a lot of churches are suddenly a lot more unified right now, they are using this opportunity for witnessing (for example, I saw a sign in a college mall that was for a rented store front that was going to hold public discussions on the Passion and Scriptures each week) and the focus (in my mind) is on Jesus. I think some church leaders are hoping for sending a message to hollywood for the kind of movies / entertainment that should be made and will make money. This in my mind is a minor issue compared to the others.
quote: How do you mean inspirational? Do you mean it in the God-breathed sense? Or the "I've inspired you by my example" sense? The former, certainly, not even a chance!! The latter? I don't think people will be excited, but maybe convicted, or sorrowed, or affected by seeing a representation of the last 12 hrs. A lot of people need visual help to understand and contemplate things. Sure, it may not be a perfect representation of what happened, but its probably the closest (or one of the closest) representations that we'll be able to see this side of eternity. Even someone reading the Bible is getting their own interpretation based on their limited understanding.. they are from a different culture, they speak a different language, etc.. and all that impedes a completely accurate understanding of the Bible. (With man it is impossible, but with God it is not.) I guess I'm not so worried about putting too much focus on the interpretation. I try to filter everything through the lense of the Bible, and love the stuff that comes out closest (according to my limited understanding). Granted others may not try to do that.. but it is my hope that this is the Lord's work, that He is placing Jesus front and center in many people's lives.. and that if we as believers are faithful with our part (e.g. getting people Bibles, and witnessing, and serving and loving) then the Lord will use us despite our weaknesses! Before I forget, Matt, have you thought about being a Gideon? I'd strongly recommend that you be one :-) Feel free to send me an email! ------------------ |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
i agree with matt in many ways I do believe though that despite mel (where he is at etc, - oh i'd love to spend a week with him as a friend) and despite all the hype and everything, and despite the 'few' extra biblical things, it will be a good movie, and a tool/resource that will be used by christians and ht Holy Spirit to bring people to Christ.. But it isn't the gospel itself. it is a tool , it is media. It cannot replace the bible. as with all media/tools... we are thankful for them and use them only in context.. the gospel shouldn't serve the media/tool/structure, but rather the media/tool/structure should serve the gospel/vision/christ So i don't see it as the greatest evangelical tool of the melleniums or anything, for the HOly SPirit works through many people in many ways to reach people that He has already been working in their hearts, the same with this.. As for the movie though i do believe that the HOly Spirit has inspired it to a point and led Mel (despite some of his beliefs and weaknesses, for in our weakness God can be strength, and i choose to see the movie seperate than Mel), and i believe God will use it accordingly in measure, but our Hope is in Christ. From response from Christian leadeirs who have seen it and that i trust, i btelieve it to be as accurate to the gospels as really a movie can be, and that the little amount of extra biblical information does go with the biblical record, rather than against it. anyway i'm seeing it in a couple of hours so should give a review soon. God Bless Karl ------------------ |
Torial Member Posts: 73 From: Cedar Rapids, Ia, USA Registered: 07-23-2002 |
I agree .. and I look forward to your review! ------------------ [This message has been edited by torial (edited February 24, 2004).] |
Skynes Member Posts: 202 From: Belfast, N Ireland Registered: 01-18-2004 |
Strange... I posted a response earlier but it didn't show... :S anyway I said that I've heard that ppl have gone into the previews sinners and come out Christians. if this is the case then I don't care who made it - God is using it to His glory. |
Torial Member Posts: 73 From: Cedar Rapids, Ia, USA Registered: 07-23-2002 |
Klumsy, Thanks for your thoughtful review! --- Btw, has anyone else read a book called Eternity in their Hearts? Its a book about how God prepared various ethnic groups to be ready for the Gospel brought by missionaries. Pretty exciting stuff. Lets hope this movie is the same kind of cultural bridge! ------------------ |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
eternity in their hearts rocks.. i used a lot of don's materials in my missions classes. ------------------ |
kramit Junior Member Posts: 8 From: dontyouwishyouknew/FL/USA Registered: 03-30-2004 |
ok... I have NOTHING against this movie or mel gibson. In fact, I saw the movie and I liked it personally. but I also think that while he did a good job, he also failed. WHY? 1)He took his artist licence on a movie that was about the TRUTH. you cant make up stuff, on something as important as JESUS THE CHRIST'S DEATH AND RESURECTION. 2) you can NEVER recreat the pain that He sufferd. you can NEVER know exaclly what Jesus went through! he went through SO much more than that.... but all in all i DID enjoy the movie... and deffinantly recomend to anyone! but I though I would leave you all with that thought! ------------------ |