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Evolution and Racism – BKewl

BKewl

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Just wondering your thoughts on this, it kind of popped into my mind today and it sort of makes sense to me. BTW I'm not particularly for evolution (I regret to say I haven't put as much time into researching the debate as I maybe should have).

Does the theory of evolution encourage racism? I only ask because many races have many different skull shapes, some looking more primate-like than others. Based on that, wouldn't it follow naturally that those races with more primate-similar skulls would be less evolved and thus less advanced than those whose skulls are more 'refined'?

[edit]Obviously, it seems a bit silly, but does the logic follow naturally from the stance of evolution?[/edit]

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Christian
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Don't go suggesting there's such a thing as 'race', you'll get in trouble, OK ? ( hint: I got into a big argument for saying that there are races )

I think that it's probably true that racists could use evolution to support their twisted views, but creationists can equally make claims that support their view. They already have a twisted view, they will use whatever method they think we got here by to try and support it.

nfektious
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Obviously from this site it is easy to see that there is no way to understand the logic of man, let alone assume there is anything natural about it )

But I do understand your point. I can only offer that racism really isn't built upon anything as rational as you suggest. At it's very core, racism is built upon hate and fear. Logic isn't welcome in the company of those two monsters.

ArchAngel

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quote:
christian:
I got into a big argument for saying that there are races


hehe, That was blow out of proportion, wasn't it?

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fitta_kuken

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quote:
Originally posted by BKewl:
I only ask because many races have many different skull shapes, some looking more primate-like than others

Any specific in mind?

CobraA1

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Note that something "looking" similar to something else does not prove evolution anyway - many man-made objects come in a variety of shapes and sizes, and some may look like something else, but in all cases, man-made objects are always made, not evolved. An intelligent being is perfectly capable of creating objects that have a variety of looks. This idea can never prove evolution, since it doesn't disprove creation.

Usually, the so-called "transitional" fossils can easily be fully ape or fully human anyway. Answers in Genesis covers some of the major finds, as well the idea in general. Most aricles can be found in their Q&A: Anthropology section.

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BKewl

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quote:
Originally posted by fitta_kuken:
Any specific in mind?

Actually, come to think of it, I've seen select people in pretty much all races whose skulls are "more primate-like" (whatever that is).

CobraA1: Agreed that God is capable of creating many different kinds of people. I go with the creation viewpoint. Apparently many people think from my post that I'm an evolutionist (not true) . I was just thinking that evolution seems to support racism because naturally more evolved = superior, right? Survival of the fittest, after all. I was trying to look at this from an evolutionary viewpoint, even though that's not the view I hold.

CobraA1

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quote:
Originally posted by BKewl:
CobraA1: Agreed that God is capable of creating many different kinds of people. I go with the creation viewpoint. Apparently many people think from my post that I'm an evolutionist (not true) . I was just thinking that evolution seems to support racism because naturally more evolved = superior, right? Survival of the fittest, after all. I was trying to look at this from an evolutionary viewpoint, even though that's not the view I hold.

Yeah, survival of the fittest can be (and unfortunately has been) used that way. That doesn't meant all evolutionists do that, though. Just the twisted ones, as christian said.

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ArchAngel

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I'm not saying evolutionists are racist, but evolution does seem to support racism, along with murder, and other stuff.
Also, it makes no logical sense whatsoever. It doesn't! Really! It's an old crusty theory that should be replaced with REAL science.

One last thing, I don't believe there are races, as I stated earlier; I see no evidence for their existence. Don't want to start some heated debate, though.

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c h i e f y

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racism and murder are crude old instincts that are extremes of instincts such as jealousy and spite

everybody feels jealousy and spite and 30 years ago nobody would care less HOW racist you were and 130 years ago murders went without too much investigation

I obviously do not support racism or murder but these things are "in" most ppl I think and we repress or behave differently nowadays because of our advanced education

Kew Gardens Surrey have an "Evolution House" built for 1 million about 5 years back, it is quite an interesting place, starting with bubbling mud pits and ancient life

BKewl, if you're ever over in Surrey - I'll show you around this place and see if you come over all racist

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ArchAngel

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True, I agree with you, Chiefy.

It all orginates in the heart.

I have to admit, tho, being half-asian, I love to tease asians. It's all out of good will and fun, with a touch of poltical satire.
It's nothing really hurtful...

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c h i e f y

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talking of goodwill and fun Arch, did you see David Duchovny's "Evolution" film?

it's one of those films that starts out grabbing your attention and impresses you at the start 10/10 then as the time goes by, doubts begin to creep in, you become less impressed

the thought occurs after a while ... errrr what else is on TV??

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ArchAngel

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haha... no I didn't.

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Neil Roy

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The very thought of evilution (not a typo) makes me laugh when I think of it. It is such a ridiculous notion. Evilutionists can't explain alot that creation can. It is still a THEORY, yet it is taught in our classrooms and prayer is almost non-existant anymore.

Want proof of God, look into your bible for answers, God tells us that proof of his existance (and therefor creation as well) is all around is, in what he created.

For example, if I find a watch in a field, I don't need to see the watchmaker face to face to know that he exists, I merely need to see his creation. I don't find a watch and try to figure out how the rocks, wood, water etc.. over billions and billions of years slowly evolved into what is now a perfectly ticking watch... it is laughable to even think of such a thing right? Yet how much more complex is our bodies and minds than a watch? Yet people don't laugh when you suggest the human body evolved, or a tree or insect etc. I once asked a teacher how could the EYE have evolved? This was not a christian teacher, but I made him think and he said I had a good point when I was done. I asked, if there was a 4th dimension that we don't yet know about, how would we go about evolving an organ to detect it? And if we could, what organ would we evolve? The eye is the same, how does one evolve an organ to detect light that it doesn't even know exists because it doesn't yet have an organ to detect light (we're getting into an infinate loop here! heheh). There is also the fact that science is well aware at how sensitive an eco system is in nature! If you completely remove a certain insect or animal from an eco system, or worse, introduce one to it, you would upset the entire system and destroy it... why? Because everything in that system is DEPENDANT on everything else... how then could anything evolve seperately? What came first, the bee or the flower? A flower couldn't survive without insects and birds, and conversely, certain birds and insects can't survive without flowers and other plants.
How does a bird know to migrate south for the winter? Especially a bird that has never been south before, yet it knows where to go. Or the Monarch butterfly which could be born in say Canada, grow and migrate to south america somewhere, then die, a new butterfly born which comes back to Canada etc... etc... etc... the idea of evilution is laughable... God exists, the proof is all around us and is evident to everyone with a set of eyes and a brain. There are many many many proofs I could go on and on about, but I won't bore you with the obvious.

I never have nor even will do anything but laugh when I hear someone who claims to be intelligent talk about evilution, to me it proves they know nothing are are not intelligent at all. Evilution is a lie Satan wants us all to believe, if you believe in evilution you cannot believe in God, it is that simple. Just use the bain God gave you and take a few minutes to look out your window, look in the mirror at yourself and THINK... truely THINK about it all and how is all this possible, and where it came from... there HAD to be a designer to design our bodies to work as perfectly as they do... there HAD to be a designer to design our brain, which is more powerful than any computer a thinking MAN can design, let alone some random evolutionary event can come up with... THINK... the mere act of THINKING proves there is a God that created us.

Remember, there is only one trueth, and everything else that contradicts that trueth, IS a lie.

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"O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!" - Deuteronomy 5:29

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ArchAngel

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yup, I agree.

Evolution rests on the idea that the world exists by chance, that order came from chaos, Laws for chance. It all falls apart. It just can't possibly make sense unless you're blindly following the "scientists."
There was this one trial, the Scopes Trial(yeah, a court trial), where William Jennings Bryan(this famous Christian orator dude) vs.d Charles Darrow. Basically, Bryan used logic and reason in a eloquent fashion (very convincing arguements, etc.) while Darrow resorted to emotion and riducule. For instance, Darrow constantly said how stupid and backward the populace was because they don't accept Evolution. Though Bryan won the trial, many people when evolutionist to not appear ignorant and backwards. (when you think about it, People who believe things cuz they don't wanna seem stupid... are really stupid. Ahhh, the irony)


Science depends on order, Evolution depends on chance. They don't fit together.
in short, God's Right, Evolutionists are Wrong.

EDIT: Got the dude's name wrong. whoops.
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