1 out of 685 billion times 1 billion? Pretty good chance that one is real, heh? Most of his were under 1 out of 1 million, with the alien ones near the lowest.

Anyway, in October 1998 he supposedly gave a seiled letter to his lawyer where he stated that he believed from his Bible Code research that:

1) the world would face "economic collapse" starting in the Hebrew year 5762 or 2002.
2) Terrorism in the middle east would peak shortly later and they would have the ability to get nuclear weapons from Libya.
3) The phrases "world war" and "atomic holocaust" are encoded several times with the Hebrew year 5766 or 2006. The cluster ncludes names of people involved in it like Saddam and Sharon and Arafat and Bush.

Seperate from those predictions, a good number of stuff was discovered after the event already took place. Some interesting ones, there seem to be a lot of 9/11 ELSs and there was ELSs that were "President Al Gore" and "President Bush the second". Before the elections, he didn't seem to know what to make out of both of them having the title "President" but afterwards he thought it apparent that the Bible Code was indicating a very close race as other major clusters didn't include Gore at all.

Those are the most interesting points in the book, everything else is kinda silly. Which is to be expected, because he still proclaims himself to be an atheist even though he believes in Bible Code. As he puts it, the Bible Code means there is an "Encoder", which doesn't necessarily need to be God according to him. Hence the alien stuff he came up with, which was a very weak link. Though it's possible that it's a valid ELS pointing to an ancient Babylonian artifact of some sort, where his "alien" ELS could even be interpreted to have heavy parallels to the account of Lucifer. For some reason he also strongly believes that the Bible Code was put in the Torah as a warning, that it's not strictly prophecy that IS going to occur but something that can be avoided.

Anyway, nobody can really say whether Bible Code is true or false but it's still an interesting thing to watch... plus I think I'll avoid being anywhere near New York in 2006... just in case.

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The fact that writing the Bible Code has not led this man to salvation is one good indication to me that nothing good is to be found in it.

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http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html

More articles of interest can be found here:

http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/b53.html

IMNSHO, the codes mean nothing, and just provide an interesting exercise to mathmaticians (sp?).

I haven't done a complete reading, but an atricle here: http://www.wopr.com/biblecodes/TheCase.htm

provides some info about the Bible codes from the another point of view.

I, personally, think it's superstition. No offense meant.

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I, personally, think it's superstition. No offense meant.

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BTW, though it is possible it's just a ton of hooey it isn't like this is only believed by off-the-wall scientists. They were respectable before this discovery and I don't see why it should change. Of course that isn't saying much, Dr. Crick the nobel laureate winner for discovering the structure of DNA believes that aliens brought Earth's first life in spaceships... though only because he knows that the chance of life evolving on Earth in 13 billion years is impossible. Many others who won't accept the idea of aliens believe life evolved in some unknown circumstances in outer space and came to Earth on a comet... though they're still trying to figure out how this life could survive the impact. Though obviously the standard atheistic view is just to ignore the evidence and say evolution on Earth occurred.

BTW, that number is one out of 685,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 6.85e20; not 685,000,000 or 6.85e8. Huge difference. To give you an idea most ELSs in Moby Dick with meaning range from 1 out of 100 to 1 out of 1,000,000. They've looked and looked but other man written books, not the Torah, get nowhere as nice results.

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I've downloaded one of the code-finding programs, and performed a few tests.

One of my test was finding repetitions of a single letter - I don't know which letter it is since I don't know Greek (I used the letter 'a' on my keyboard to make the character, I'm using Torah4U), but here's the results:

Skip of 2-10 letters:
aa HUGE!
aaa 12492
aaaa 1222
aaaaa 146
aaaaaa 22
aaaaaaa 4
aaaaaaaa 0

Skip of 2-100:
aaaaaaaa 0
aaaaa 1316

Skip of 2-1000:
aaaaa 10686
aaaaaaaa 12
aaaaaaaaa 2
aaaaaaaaaa 0

Skip of 2-10000:
aaaaaaaaaa (10 characters) At least 1, I let the search go to 25%. Was taking a long time.
Place: 12853 Skip: 1850

I did the search in the entire torah.

Some observations:
Length of word defnitely affects the likelyhood of finding a word - longer words are rarer.

Larger skips find longer words easier.

Larger skips also find more of the same length word. aaaaa jumped from 146 to 1316 to 10686, a factor of about 10 in each case.

I wouldn't give the bible code the same weight as scripture, regardless of probability - God's message is pretty clear without having to resort to data mining.

Finding long phrases is impressive, but finding "clusters" doesn't seem to be a big thing, unless a lot of the words in the clusters are large. As shown in my little experiment, small words are easy to find and quite abundant.

Just a little experimentation .

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You guys automatically dismiss it where I don't. That doesn't mean I completely believe, it just means I'm open to the possibility until more facts are found.

But yes, anything found using these methods shouldn't be taken over normally read scripture.

BTW, the point of this post was to discuss the new book with those who may have already researched into Bible Code, not those who barely know what it is. I figured there may be some here.

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ok...? That should have been rather obvious to anyone; you can find small phrases in pretty much any book. Therefore, I don't see the point of that post. You might find this interesting: http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/152

You guys automatically dismiss it where I don't. That doesn't mean I completely believe, it just means I'm open to the possibility until more facts are found.

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Just some observations - no conclusions as of yet. Gathering data is an important part of decision making, IMHO.

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BTW, the point of this post was to discuss the new book with those who may have already researched into Bible Code, not those who barely know what it is. I figured there may be some here.

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Well, it seems I'm doing some research .

(Ever watch the Omega Code. It's plot is based around stuff like this. atleast to my memory)

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