The following is confession of a sin that has played a large part in my life, that by the grace of God I am finally free from. I believe God has asked me to do this, and as much as I don't want to, I know good will come from it. It will be good for me because confession in necessary in getting free from sin, it tears down pride, and denies the devil any chance to use the memory of that sin against us. I also hope and pray that if anyone reading this is and facing the struggles that I faced, they will take encouragement from this.

I was fairly young when I discovered masturbation, my parents never talked about it with me, so for along time I presumed it was fine. As I got older and started to ask questions about God and my own morality, I realised that it was wrong, but by then it had a hold on me, and I couldn't stop. It wasn't long before I was introduced to pornography. When I moved away from home to university, and got a computer and internet connection of my own, I found myself hopelessly addicted to internet pornography. It was so easy to access, and provided a quick thrill that was more enticing than any of the drugs I was also messing with. Pornography always promises to satisfy you and quench your thirst, but its satisfaction doesn't last long, and it leaves you even thirstier.

When I moved to America a year and a half ago, God started moving in my life in a big way. He placed so many Christians in my life, and took away my easy access to drink and drugs, and soon I was free from those bondages, and seeking after a closer relationship with God. But I still could not break free from my addiction to pornography and masturbation, and a battle began to rage in my heart. God showed me how destructive and wicked my addiction was, and half of me strived so hard to stop, but my sinful nature kept telling me it was ok, and I could hide it from God.

I became proud, and quick to judge others for sins that I deemed worse than mine. I studied scripture every day, just to feed my intellectual pride. I was truly a miserable wretch, because as much as I wanted to be with God and follow Him, I knew I was living in sin, and I wasn't even sure of my salvation. I couldn't talk about this with any of my friends because of my pride, and I was so afraid of rejection.

Then a friend of mine introduced me to a website that offered a online study course for christians addicticted to pornography. For the first time ever, I felt a real hope of being free. But my pride once again was my downfall, I got to day 8 of their 60 day course, and decided I didn't need anymore help. About 8 weeks later I stumbled and returned to my sin, in a worse state than when I started because I felt there was no hope for me.

But God didn't give up on me, and two months ago He brought me to that website again. It was clear that I would have to surrender my pride if I wanted to be truly free. I did, and have been walking in pure freedom since. The Lord isn't competing for my worship anymore, and so He has been able to work in my life. Nothing has transformed me more than understanding how much grace God has shown me. The past two months have been by far the happiest of my life. My relationship with God has gone from one of fear, to one of trust, contentment and satisfaction.

If anyone reading this is facing a struggle against the temptations of the flesh, I strongly recommend checking out http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com/ , and feel free to email me if you want to talk about it.

Grace and Peace

Rowan

http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com/ is a great site and I recommend it for anyone, they also offer other courses to help overcome smoking, drinking and overeating! I was a slave to porn myself for years, progressively ventured in deeper and deeper over time when I got into it during high school. It was starting to pour out of me, systematically destroying everything I hold close (it already severally damaged myself) until I decided that enough was enough. Personally I found that I needed a 'real' relationship with Jesus instead of the fake games I was playing with Him and others. It's only been about 2-3 months since I've really shaken it off through the power of Christ and already my life is 2x better than before. I can function better, my head is clear, my emotions are progressively coming back to me, it's great! Having accountablity partners that you regularly talk to is key as well, my Fiance (yes I had to admit it to her, yes it was hard but the benifits are WAY WAY WAY better, believe me! It's brought us alot closer battling these struggles out as a couple) has been my accountablity partner, as well as my bro Karl (Klumsy) would pop by and ask me how I was doing (which is great and has helped me out alot). God wants you to break out. Your (future/current) wife/fiance/girlfriend wants you to break out. I want you to break out. So break out and feel the mass amount of benifits! Anyways, I can brance this off into a huge message, but I'll end it with a poem I wrote sometime ago.

-= Breathless =-
By: Mackenzie Ponech

The children cry, the children scream,
Tormented by what they cannot see,
Why do you create your own destruction?
Craddeling your wretched infestation?

Why do you worship it in song and dance?
Why are you so blind to it's gripping trance?
Pray to the heavens, your answer is above,
It will soar to your side, surround you like a flood

Surrender your shame,
Surrender your pain,
Surrender your lust,
Surrender everything today

Say goodbye to these troubled nights,
Say goodbye to the endless stairs of eyes,
Held in His arms, fortifications all around,
A deep peace you've longed for

Blood flows from the sky,
Raining down from early dawn to thick of night,
Feel the cleansing, you sigh, the etheral high,
You no longer have to fight

He will pull you from the grave,
He will free you with His grace,
He sacrificed Himself for you,
Won't you do the same for Him too?

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http://www.twoguyssoftware.ca

I think every male is drawn to pr0n, by our very physical nature. The internet takes away the one barrier I had as a teenager, that of aquisition. I honestly believe my porn heavy teens were a major factor in my inability to socialise with girls, and therefore to enter a relationship, through my teens. I became a Christian at 21.

Guys, I take my hat off to you for having the guts to publically admit to having had this problem and overcoming it. FWIW I'll give you a tip that I use. If I see an ad for a site ( and who doesn't ), and I feel any desire at all to look at it, I call my wife and make a joke of it. I couldn't possibly go after I've shown her the spam, because she asks ( jokingly ) afterwards sometimes, and I would never lie to her.

The definition of sin is something that looks good, until you taste it and find it rotten to the core. Yet somehow, the desire to taste comes back again and again. On the other hand, I've known people who condemn themselves simply for noticing that there are attractive women walking around in our towns and suburbs. The balance is in the middle, I believe. There's nothing wrong with noticing, there's a lot wrong with staring, and a lot more wrong with seeking chances to see people nekkid, apart from those we are married to, of course.

As an aside, one would presume that if you are married and still drawn to such things that there's less activity than there should be on the home front. I know that if I ever feel any desire at all along those lines, it's for that reason, anyhow. The Bible is pretty clear about this, neither partner should deny the other sex on a continuous basis.

I think everyone stuggle with it. I admit, that it was a struggle for me. It's a battle we must fight; Never should let our guard down...

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P.S. Pray in tongues if that's your gift. if not, don't worry, you could have another one.

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Firstly, let me say that your courage to humble yourself as such is inspiring. It is very difficult for people to admit when they have a problem.

I've found that most people I meet often fall into things that they don't want to do, be it alcohol, pornography, drugs, etc. when they let the world get in the way of their one-on-one relationship with the Lord. And I *know* that's when I end up falling.

I heard a sermon by a preacher named Andy Stanley where he said that he puts on the armor of the Lord everyday before going out into the world. He has a particular place that's solely for the purpose of communing with God. He doesn't use it for anything else.

Each morning he enters this little room, prays, reads the Bible, and listens. His prayer is not one of "bless my mom, bless my dad, etc." (not to belittle those prayers), but rather one of "Lord, I know I've got issues and I need you to help me because my will alone is not sufficient...". The point is that it's a true heartfelt prayer, not some rehersed prayer that just becomes a playback of old prayers, but a genuine cry for help and strength. Then he reads his Bible not just to glaze over the words and put in his "1 chapter a day", but to LISTEN. No, I don't mean audibly. I mean to really see what God has to say in His word.

God can strengthen each of us to battle against our pitfalls, but only if we listen to His counsel and take it to heart and have faith that He is with us every step of the way.

Anyway, I find that when I follow this method that I tend to seek things that are pure, kind, and forgiving, as I am seeking to have a relationship with my Lord. However, when I neglect my daily communion, I find that I venture too near the slippery slopes that covet my mind. I'm sure there are many methods to achieve this solidity, but this is just the one that I've used.

A friend of mine was having a major problem with pornography and talked to me about it, asking how to stop. He's a strong Christian, but he's had a recurrence of this particular type of fall. Out of the blue, I asked him if he had told his mother about this problem. He gave me a horrified look and said "No! I would never want her to know about this!" So I replied "Your mother is sacred enough to you to avoid your potentially hurting her by finding out what you have done. But God, whom you know sees and knows all that you do, is not sacred enough?" Well, not only did he get the point...I got my point too. I found I was equally speaking to myself as I was to him.

Why are we more worried with what people think of what we do than what God KNOWS we do? Thinking of this has helped me greatly in my daily struggles, maybe it will help others too.

God bless you all,

-Krylar

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Let's not jump on that merry go round, shall we ?

If only some Christians have tongues, only some have faith. 1 Cor says so.

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Let's not jump on that merry go round, shall we ?

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We've been there before - I think the thread's buried somewhere. I forgot how it turned out.

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If only some Christians have tongues, only some have faith. 1 Cor says so.

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1 Cor says a lot. Chapter and verse(s) would be nice. Shall I start a new thread? I can't seem to dig up where you're getting your info.

Ah yes, found it! 1 Cor. 12:1-11

By your reasoning, we all also have these gifts: Wisdom, knowledge, gifts of healing, miraculous powers, prophecy, distinguishing between spirits, interpretation of tongues. Why single out speaking in tongues?

On a sidenote, here's what my study bible says: Not saving faith, which all Christians have, but faith to meet a specific need within the body of Christ

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I'm not, especially, except that unlike the other gifts, tongues is the manifestation of the Spirit. Would you like to see each of the 9 gifts promised to all Christians explicitly in other verses ?

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Sadly, I doubt they or you can prove that from the Bible. It's an assumption in order to fit their theology with what 1 Cor 12 says. It's kind of like chopping up the square peg to get into the round hole...

If we want to dig into this, we should start a new thread.
It could get pretty intense... might atleast.

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I know the Lord is please with your stand and be sure to give Him all the glory for it and in all things as you have done here
I guess in nut shell so many of us want the ten commandments on the wall more that we want them written as a testimony on our hearts and minds. Your stand proves the commandments are real to you. Write me if you need prayer for strength - I will stand with you.
God bless you and keep you in His perfect will.
Sincerely,
David Kelsey
Soul Joy Records

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Luke 12:15 Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."

This is a sin that we commit in isolation, and in so doing, we think that we have to get free from it in isolation as well. That is a lie Satan wants us to believe in order to keep us hiding in our shame and guilt, while he invites us to drown our sorrows in the sinful elixir of porn.

Rather, let us look to the Lord, who removed our shame through his death on the cross...

“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt so that you would no longer be slaves to the Egyptians; I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with your heads held high.”

This passage from Leviticus could easily have been written about the ministry at Setting Captives Free. These on-line courses work b/c they are thoroughly biblical and b/c the mentors are freed captives helping to free captives.

Most men and women who end up enslaved to sexual sin were introduced to it innocently at sometime in their life. 80% have been sexually molested. These hooks have been used to lure untold numbers into the grip of pornography and masturbation.

Like shining a bright light into a dark room, it has been my privilege to help others out of the shadows of bondage to sexual sin and into the freedom of God’s amazing grace and holiness. If you find yourself in the chains of sin, there is hope.

You no longer need to believe that you are the only one who struggles with this sin, and you do not have to defeat this evil in isolation. Scripture says that people were not coming to Jesus b/c “they loved darkness rather than light, for their deeds were evil.” I invite you to come to the light, and leave the darkness behind.

These courses, covering topics such as pornography, purity, gluttony, homosexuality, smoking and drinking, will help you remove the spiritual cataracts that have clouded your vision and darkened your soul. Join me in allowing the Lord to break the bars of your yoke and leave the shame and guilt of your sin behind. I did this over 700 days ago, and I can now walk with my head held high…

May you find lasting freedom, my friend, and the joy of being able to worship and glorify God without hypocrisy...

In His Grip,
Keith
Team Member, Setting Captives Free

Oh yea, I'll remember to do that. I'm sure it'll be really helpful.

Thanks ip

Christian: I disagree with your suggestion about married men struggling with this. I was shocked to find out how many married men do struggle with this, and I have realized that this is not a physical problem (we can't blame our hormones for it). It goes a lot deeper than that. It's a spiritual thing.

InsanePoet: I'm glad to hear you've got it under some control before getting in as deep as some of us have. God bless you bro.

InsanePoet02: You remind me of someone...

ArchAngel: I think you're right when you say everyone struggles with this. I have yet to find any christian guy who has a computer who hasn't fought this battle at least once.

MaxX: Will you try settingcaptivesfree? I am praying for you.

Soul Joy: I love Christian music! I am very particular about lyrics. I genuinely can't enjoy listening to people singing ungodly lyrics, no matter how good their music sounds. God bless your work.

Keith: Thanks again for your constant encouragement and accountability. I pray God would bless you to help more and more people know this freedom.

Yay that covers everyone!

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My journey has been a tough one too as most of you. I find that victory over lust has been a process over time, not something that I have overcome once - never again to worry about it.

Setting captives free is great, that was a big step in my journey, as well as the book "Pure Desire" by Ted Roberts.

The latest book I have read which has helped me, (though not on that topic) is "Wild at Heart" by John Eldridge. One of the motivating factors for me now to not give into temptation is that I do not want to loose my "strength" as a man. If you have read the book, you will know what I mean.

Satan must really hate it when we expose him for his lies. Let's keep it up.

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Yeah, I'm taking a look at it. My dad is trying to help too, but it's really hard, especially when it gets engrained in you at such a young age (like 13 when I started).

Thanks anyway

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Haven't tried this yet but I really like the idea. This service is free, I've seen another one (http://www.netaccountability.com/) that costs you monthly. There's another similar program with http://www.covenanteyes.com/about.php -- this seems just to send people a whole record of everywhere you've been, not just the slimy sites. If you're on the net a lot this could be really boring for your accountability partner.

The guys that do this sound really interesting. They go to XXX expositions with their wives and hold a stand promoting this software. That's real cajones for you.

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But that's just me.

If you continue on your current path, you will one day be lost forever.

Turn to Jesus. There is no other power in this world that can set you free. He was nailed to the cross for every immoral thing you've ever done. Because he loves you and wants to spend eternity with you.

God Bless

Pornography and masturbation, promise to satisfy our thirst, but the satisfaction they give leaves and quick as it comes. God can satify you forever. Remember he made you and he knows your every need and desire.

If you are sincere about getting free, God is faithfull, and will help you every step of the way. Pray about it, call out to God for help.

David wrote this after he had committed adultery with Bathsheba (Psalm 51:1-12)...

Have mercy on me, O God, because of your unfailing love. Because of your great compassion, blot out the stain of my sins. Wash me clean from my guilt. Purify me from my sin. For I recognize my shameful deeds-- they haunt me day and night. Against you, and you alone, have I sinned; I have done what is evil in your sight. You will be proved right in what you say, and your judgment against me is just. For I was born a sinner-- yes, from the moment my mother conceived me. But you desire honesty from the heart, so you can teach me to be wise in my inmost being. Purify me from my sins, and I will be clean; wash me, and I will be whiter than snow. Oh, give me back my joy again; you have broken me-- now let me rejoice. Don't keep looking at my sins. Remove the stain of my guilt. Create in me a clean heart, O God. Renew a right spirit within me. Do not banish me from your presence, and don't take your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me again the joy of your salvation, and make me willing to obey you.

God Bless you, I thank God you've found this site

Rowan

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I think the biggest problem with sexual addiction is that it is so embarrasing to talk about. I used to be addicted to nicotine, cocaine and alcohol but using god's power I managed to break free but it left a large gap in my soul which I had to fill with sexual pleasure. It was much easier to talk about my cocaine and nicotine habits than my sexual ones. Especially when I have to conform to homosexual tendencies to get the pleasure you are addicted to. It's certainly not something you want to talk about openly

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The more you feed on Jesus and His Word, the less hungry you will be for the pleasures of the flesh.

Sexual addiction is so hard to talk about, but you're doing well so far. Satan uses the shame and embarrassment to stop us from seeking help. We end up trying to hide our problem from God and the people who can help us.

God Bless

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i sell porn online.......
hate doing it but i need the money

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dude are you serious?
thats serious stuff..
as for money, don't worry about it. If you walk with God he will provide all your needs.. But you really need to stop selling porn online.. You are enslaving other people, and Jesus says some strong words against people who lead others astray..
Are you enslaved to porn yourself as well? if so, there is breakthrough, Jesus heals and delivers, it can be done.. It has been done - many a time.. Whats the desire of your heart? Do you wish to be free?

as Rowan said, Settingcaptivesfree.com is awesome and powerful.

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Visionary Media
the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

i realy hate doing it
i started doing it because i needed $5000 quickly...
i've got part of it and i intend to stop after i get the rest
i moved to the country and its realy hard to get a job here and i have to make the money somehow...
i know its bad and i feel guilty

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You can still turn around and start trusting God right now by cutting all your connections to the porn industry and simply relying on him to provide the money. The cash you earned selling porn should be given away, it's dirty money.

Like I've said before, it's really easy to know something, yet not believe it. You know God provides for his children's needs, but deep down, do you really, truely believe it?

†Caleb†

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"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out." Mark 9:42-43

It would be better for you to suffer the consequences of not getting that money than to continue leading others into sin. It would be better for you to starve to death.

I plead with you to consider the harm you are doing. Who are you serving by leading people astray? Who?

But a word of encouragement. Putting an immediate end to your evil business even though you "need" the money, would be a demonstration of faith. And God always responds to faith. Trust Him.

Grace and Peace

Rowan

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well i can justify it in my own mind by thinking, these people are looking for porn anyway so they might as well buy it off me right?

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"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:who can know it?"

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Do you hate it? or just the guilt? if you really hated it, you would turn from it. But your love of money and lack of trust in God lets you down. Can you honestly say you really hate doing it?

listen to part of this psalm

Psa 36:1
An oracle is within my heart
concerning the sinfulness of the wicked:
There is no fear of God
before his eyes.
Psa 36:2 For in his own eyes he flatters himself
too much to detect or hate his sin.
Psa 36:3 The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful;
he has ceased to be wise and to do good.
Psa 36:4 Even on his bed he plots evil;
he commits himself to a sinful course
and does not reject what is wrong.

without repentance their is no salvation my friend. I am not trying to knock you down or beat you up , go and read the rest of this psalm it is encouraging and uplifting, but i won't water down the gospel.. For as a Christian, I am called to love you , and in loving you sometimes i have to offend, for if i just try to please anybody, and ignore my prophet mantle - and prophets more than anything call people back to God, to repentance and point to the Hope we have in Jesus Christ.. what i say might cut to your bone, but that is the word of God.. as in

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-­edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

But listen to my words my friend because

prov 27:6
Wounds from a friend can be trusted,
but an enemy multiplies kisses.

i started doing it because i needed $5000 quickly...
i've got part of it and i intend to stop after i get the rest
i moved to the country and its realy hard to get a job here and i have to make the money somehow...
i know its bad and i feel guilty

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But is your remorse of your sin, greater than the desire to be free from the emotion of guilt, or do you just want to be able to go your merry way, ignoring God and not having to feel guilty.. There is a difference between thsoe guilty feelings and repentance..

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i wanna belive that but basicly i need this money and i dont see it comming from anywhere else.....
im going to stop...but i cant until i get it...its that important to me

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Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry

and in placing this money above God , you are making mammon your idol..

and Jesus says this mat 6:24

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one,and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot, serve God and mammon.

ponder these words of Jesus my friend, for in bringing you to repentance, can you receiving the salvation Jesus Christ has paid for your sins, with great Cost - his blood. Because He loves you deeply in spite of your sins even, for we are all sinners who have fallen so far from the Glory of God.. and God says that our righteousness is like a filthy rag (in plain greek - a bloody unclean menstrual cloth).. But you can be free from sin, free from this death , and you can live a victorious life in Christ, the life He created you for..

Deu 5:7 "You shall have no other gods before [1 ] me.
Deu 5:8 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Deu 5:9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
Deu 5:10 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Don't have any other God's before Him.. it just doesn't work.. in disobedience we mess everything up - trust me - i know... been there done that..

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i just deleted all my sites.....
i was going to anyway...
despite how much i hate porn and how bad i feel for what im doing , these people were looking for porn.....its not like i corrupt people.
anyway i deleted them, i still get 10k hits a day so im forwarding them to mainstream advertisers...
hopefully i can make it up there

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There is no repentance in that my friend.. you still trying to get money from it.. You don't want to cut out this sin, you don't want to count the cost and follow Jesus, you want one foot in both camps..

Mat 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
Luk 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Act 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.

i could go on, but i think you get the picture.

i am writing to you because i assume you claim to be a christian, do you?
as a Christian, one gives their life over to God, they make Him Lord and King.. we give the authority of our lives over to Him, we say not Our Will , but Yours be done, we take up our crosses daily and Follow Him..
Do you claim Him as Lord? then repent and follow Him, Jesus requires obedience.. I am speaking so boldly and maybe harshly to you. But the bible says judgement begins in the house of the Lord, and i say these words not to condemn you, but so that you can get beyond the decietfulness on the human heart, and get to a place where you can repent, and can turn to Jesus, and be transformed by the renewing of your mind, and you can have the perfect peace of God..

i pray that these scriptures here will apply to us here who are encouraging and praying for you

Jam 5:19 My dear brothers and sisters, if anyone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back again,
Jam 5:20 you can be sure that the one who brings that person back will save that sinner from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.

for now, God Night
and God Bless, God Bless you with the faith to trust Him, God Bless you with the desire to turn ccompletely to Him, God Bless you with the fear of the Lord, with the Awe of Him and his rightouesness, Glory and Majesty. May God bless you with the overwealming of His Love for you, with the plans and purposes of good that He has for your life, May God bless you with the gift of repentance.

Luk 12:5 But I'll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill people and then throw them into hell.

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Visionary Media
the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

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i dont like it...
ive stopped making money off it....
i cant justify making money off it...
the reason i needed it though was for the second most important thing to me in the world aside from my faith or lack of...
i try to be a christian

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http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com/
http://www.pureintimacy.org/

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By the way, what did you need the money for anyway?

†Caleb†

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"True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."

good to see you are redirecting to settingcaptivesfree..

I know the walk as a christian can be hard some times, and faith can be a big issue.. But i do want to encourage you and see you grow in your faith and maturity. I do really think you should set some time away with God, repenting , getting to know Him, and finding out His will for your life (which is written all over the bible). Are you yourself enslaved to pornography.. If so - even if a just a little and you don't think you are 'enslaved' try setting captives free my friend. It is awesome, and even regardless of its content to deal with sexual immorality and porn - it is a good devotional and content for any christians walk with Christ..

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the reason i needed it though was for the second most important thing to me in the world

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God Bless my friend

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Visionary Media
the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

they goto http://www.pureintimacy.org/

"Are you yourself enslaved to pornography"

no, i've always hated the stuff, i cant stand to look at the filth everyday, it makes me unhappy and i project that on those around me....it was pure business.

"what is this most important thing in the world.. I'm sure it is important, and i am also sure God cares.. Talk to him about it.. and talk to me about it also."

the most important is my faith even though i get off track a lot the second thing id rather keep to myself.

thanks

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Fight(as in overkill) the Good Fight of Faith...

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"True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."

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Originally posted by imsold4christ:
Oh please, shut up fitta. Don't even joke about that.

†Caleb†

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yeah, and watch the language

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"I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

midnight-fire.org

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I am proud of you for taking the step, especially because it is goign to cost you finnacially.. in the physical you have put your money where your mouth is so to speak..

How about in the spiritual..

Have you taken the time, alone with God, to really repent, appologise specially for doing this against God and other people, and have you asked and recieved that amazing forgiveness from Jesus..

if so that is cool, if not - i urge you... Get alone with God and your bible and read and pray for some hours.. and bare all to God, be vulnerable to Him, don't hide anything - he knows all, don't hold back..

and when you are forgiven by God.. and you have turned away 100%, don't let guilt or shame follow you, because you will be washed clean by God.. it is the past.. Even God will have forgotten the sin - thrown it into the sea of forgetfulness..

Karl

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Visionary Media
the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

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Originally posted by homer:
ya, i feel better...
i do worry about the money though.
im giving all the money i saved from this away...
i need it so bad but i know its wrong to use for my plans

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If I could recommend some Scripture that might be of encouragement:

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Matthew 6
19 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
20 "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal;
21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22 "The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light.
23 "But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
25 "For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing?
26 "Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they?
27 "And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life?
28 "And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin,
29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.
30 "But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith!
31 "Do not worry then, saying, 'What will we eat?' or 'What will we drink?' or 'What will we wear for clothing?'
32 "For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
34 "So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

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Originally posted by imsold4christ:
Oh please, shut up fitta. Don't even joke about that.

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View it as god's punishment, homa. I thought it was important for you to know this information. If I wouldn't have told you, you would not have known of this "coincidence". Have faith and god bless you'll see you'll get just the money you'll need. Maybe you'll even see that you don't need that money after all

And also the settingcaptivesfree site is great!!! I am currently in the homosexual course and I must say it's painful sometimes but using god's power and my faith I will get through. I can assure you that I am tested greatly for my sins. The wounds I inflicted myself in my anus are healing and this means CONSTANT tickling, but I have faith and view this as proof of my healing from my problems.

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fitta_kuken:
Joke? I was sincerely interested...

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Oh, not again.

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PS: Thanks Torial, for giving a little plug for my article. That made me feel good.

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Originally posted by imsold4christ:
You can't be serious fitta. I mean, are you really?

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My thoughts exactly.... well, not exactly... er. but real real close.

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"I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

midnight-fire.org

The hardest part is the "don't spend a dime" part. I could probably make a lot more if I didn't pay for daily fast-food meals, work only twice a week during the school year, (I work weekends; weekdays are for school), or buy a brand new copy of Windows XP . I could probably drag in several thousand/year if it weren't for these factors.

If you want something faster, you may have to be willing to take some risk - stocks can have a huge payoff, but there's also a big chance of losing everything you put in. There are also plenty of other options, each with varying risks - the rule of thumb is the higher the potential payoff, the higher the risk.

I'm willing to bet that if I dropped college and focused myself soley on getting money through legitimate, legal, moral means, I could pull in that $5000 faster than your now-dead porn business.

And I'm willing to bet that you can also.

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Originally posted by imsold4christ:
You can't be serious fitta. I mean, are you really?

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Fitta, it's not worth the sacrifice. You don't toy around with eternal life and death. Life here on Earth is only temporary - whatever happens after death is permanent. Don't even joke about sacrificing your salvation.

I just gave homer some advice on making money - I suggest you read it also.

If you're really that desperate to have your family fed, I suggest contacting one of the many organizations that are willing to help people in need.

Get off that computer (sell it if it's yours) and do something with your financial life. You don't need to sacrifice your salvation for it.

I'd rather be living on the street than giving up my salvation.

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There are only 10 types of people - those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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Originally posted by CobraA1:
Get off that computer (sell it if it's yours) and do something with your financial life. You don't need to sacrifice your salvation for it.

I'd rather be living on the street than giving up my salvation.

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God bless,
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Originally posted by fitta_kuken:
Joke? I was sincerely interested & I think I could make enough money from such a service to offer 50000$. I have bought earlier services for more, and I have made myself a small, but precious fortune which I am willing to continue to invest safely.

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I would encourage you to put that money to an eternal investment. I know of a place and an organization where $50000 would be used to support 208 (starving) children for a year. Not just support (e.g. food / medicine), but also train and teach the children. Imagine if those children were praying for you?

Fita, I'd encourage you to look at the following Scripture. The Lord is trustworthy, and He will keep His promises. Take the leap and see God work miracles in your life!

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Malachi 3
6 "I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. 7 Ever since the time of your forefathers you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you," says the LORD Almighty.
"But you ask, 'How are we to return?'
8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me.
"But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'
"In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse-the whole nation of you-because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit," says the LORD Almighty. 12 "Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land," says the LORD Almighty.
13 "You have said harsh things against me," says the LORD .
"Yet you ask, 'What have we said against you?'
14 "You have said, 'It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the LORD Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.' "
16 Then those who feared the LORD talked with each other, and the LORD listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the LORD and honored his name.
17 "They will be mine," says the LORD Almighty, "in the day when I make up my treasured possession. [1] I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

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And here is some Scripture from my quiet time this morning:

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The option to choose whether to trust in God
2 Chronicles 16

1 In the thirty-sixth year of Asa's reign Baasha king of Israel came up against Judah and fortified Ramah in order to prevent anyone from going out or coming in to Asa king of Judah.
2 Then Asa brought out silver and gold from the treasuries of the house of the LORD and the king's house, and sent them to Ben-hadad king of Aram, who lived in Damascus, saying,
3 "Let there be a treaty between you and me, as between my father and your father. Behold, I have sent you silver and gold; go, break your treaty with Baasha king of Israel so that he will withdraw from me."
4 So Ben-hadad listened to King Asa and sent the commanders of his armies against the cities of Israel, and they conquered Ijon, Dan, Abel-maim and all the store cities of Naphtali.
5 When Baasha heard of it, he ceased fortifying Ramah and stopped his work.
6 Then King Asa brought all Judah, and they carried away the stones of Ramah and its timber with which Baasha had been building, and with them he fortified Geba and Mizpah.
7 At that time Hanani the seer came to Asa king of Judah and said to him, "Because you have relied on the king of Aram and have not relied on the LORD your God, therefore the army of the king of Aram has escaped out of your hand.
8 "Were not the Ethiopians and the Lubim an immense army with very many chariots and horsemen? Yet because you relied on the LORD, He delivered them into your hand.
9 "For the eyes of the LORD move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His. You have acted foolishly in this. Indeed, from now on you will surely have wars."

The option to trust God to heal his feet
12 In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became diseased in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not seek the LORD, but the physicians.
13 So Asa slept with his fathers, having died in the forty-first year of his reign.

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Note the parallels:

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Act 14:

The option to choose whether to trust in God
1 In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together, and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks.
2 But the Jews who disbelieved stirred up the minds of the Gentiles and embittered them against the brethren.
3 Therefore they spent a long time there speaking boldly with reliance upon the Lord, who was testifying to the word of His grace, granting that signs and wonders be done by their hands.

The option to trust God to heal his feet
8 At Lystra a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb, who had never walked.
9 This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he had fixed his gaze on him and had seen that he had faith to be made well,
10 said with a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he leaped up and began to walk.

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Originally posted by fitta_kuken:
I make some money using my computer - more than I would make if I sold it. I have faith that god will see through my sins and see I only do this to feed my family. I don't do it for personal gain.

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Then take my advice and invest is a real job. As I have indicated, you can make plenty without having to resort to something moraly wrong.

Most people can feed their families without doing this sort of thing. You can also.

You will lose more if you keep in your sins than if you changed your ways - you will lose both your own and your childrens' souls.

Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to the person through which they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin." -Luke 17:1-2

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And also, they are not grown enough to make a conscious decision about religion. I feel I have no right to let my religion make my children suffer. Just as God let me have the chance to choose religion, I will let my children have that chance.

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Your religion isn't making your children suffer; your poor decisions are. You may have money in the short term, but you will be worse off in the future - both spiritually and financially. In the long term, a good, solid job and a Christian atmosphere will be much better for you and your family. Yeah, it can be rough at first, but the payoff in the long term will more than cover the short term costs.

Here's a verse to chew on:

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done." -Matthew 16:24-27

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There are only 10 types of people - those who understand binary, and those who don't.

Sorry to pop by and bother the discussion, but I couldn't just sit here watch all this happen.
Rest assured that mr fitta_kuken is not serious in his posts!
I promise you all he's trying to do is to make you look stupid or something, and I have no idea what he will gain from it.

There's no chance that he's a grown up either, no grown up man would use that language on a christian forum, and if he really has kids, I'm sorry for them.

Well, how can I be so sure?
Because I don't think it's a coincidense that fitta means p***y, and kuken means d**k in swedish. Do you?

Ok, I don't count myself as a christian, but I do respect your belief and that's why I decided to inform you about this. I seem to remember this is where he made his first post, and I suspect he picked his nickname after reading in this topic...

Ah.. enough from me, just wanted to inform you about this.
Take care everyone
/Cheers

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Don't hate me for who I am, hate me for what I do instead...

I see your from outer space. cool. (with me from alpha centauri and all t'sall good!)

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Cheers

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Don't hate me for who I am, hate me for what I do instead...

And also this isn't my first post.

50 000$ would be LOANS which I would only be able to get if I have something to back it up with ie a business.

And I have also understood another thing. The fact that homer had wrecked his business before I could buy it maybe was not a sign to homer, but to ME. I hope and pray that this is the reason and that he protected me from commiting the sins I would have if I would have followed that path.

God bless !

Actually I could have believed you when you said you were a christian if you had left out the "filthy" language in your previous posts..

Cheers

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Don't hate me for who I am, hate me for what I do instead...

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--D-SIPL

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If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that suggests you tried

Graceworks Interactive

The truth is that in either case - whether he is mocking or is being honest - the effort is worthwhile to speak out and offer solid advice and counsel.

God bless,
Matt

*grabs the popcorn from D-Sipl* Sorry m8, no need for those

@unspeakable swedish name: LOL!!! You really should have picked another name, cause you must have known people from Sweden would eventually come here? Oh, and by the way, what does the first part of your email adress mean (saw it in your profile)? And what language is it?

Anyway, I'll keep my mouth shut. Won't accuse you anymore, carry on

Cheers everyone
/MetalMan

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Don't hate me for who I am, hate me for what I do instead...

You are pushing God's boundaries beyond their limits and the bible says that there are vipers at those boundaries. It also says that "The axe is ready at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire." If you have any understanding of Christianity, I assume you know what the fire is. Harsh words, but I think you need to hear them.

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Originally posted by ???? :
Well what an intresting "coincidence" when metalman swept in here, not being christian and all, revealing the true meaning of my nickname on the messageboard. Now I think you'd be intersted in knowing that it was him who was inspiring me to take this name by saying this numerous times to me over ICQ... of course knowing I was a christian and knowing it would be a great sin for me to use such bad words and all that... In my naive mind I didn't think he would do that to me. thank you MetalMan for first tricking me into using this name and then revealing the meaning.

And also this isn't my first post.

50 000$ would be LOANS which I would only be able to get if I have something to back it up with ie a business.

And I have also understood another thing. The fact that homer had wrecked his business before I could buy it maybe was not a sign to homer, but to ME. I hope and pray that this is the reason and that he protected me from commiting the sins I would have if I would have followed that path.

God bless !

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Howdy.. I recommend that you rejoin CCN with a name that reflects the hope that you have... and stay part of the community (not that you mentioned you were considering leaving).

Btw, I am not sure if you are part of a good Church (and by a good Church: I mean a collection of people who love the Lord, take the Bible seriously, and love each other), but if you aren't, I strongly encourage you to find one. Either way, become actively involved in it, find some older men who can and will disciple you. I can't express enough how much of an encouragement it is to have older men discipling you.. I had it at the beginning of my Christian walk (7 yrs ago) and have recently been getting it again.. and I have grown a lot just by being around godly old men.

Btw, here's a worship song that we used to sing in Intervarsity way back in my college days:

I will change your name,
you shall no longer be called
wounded, outcast, lonely or afraid.

I will change your name,
your new name shall be
confidence, joyfulness, overcoming one,
faithfulness, friend of God, one who seeks my Face.

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http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/inhisgrace/changename.html

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MetalMan, actually, Alpha Centaurish is a dead language, much like Latin. We speak english. heh heh.

There's no hate here homies! partially cuz I don't know you. Later, hungry, must eat.

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"I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

midnight-fire.org

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Originally posted by InsanePoet:
Where are the moderators when u need them

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I am allowing this thread to exist for the aspect that I like the way CCN users deal with users that share different systems of beliefs. Instead of out lashing at users they reach out to them and a discussion of believes occurs and in most cases:

+) The person is reached out too and may change the way they believe on a certain subject
+) It creates a form of experience with the person sharing their believes to help them be more easy going with sharing those believes
+) It creates an open, accountable atmosphere

If posts or situations become all out flame wars (for example, the one Iraq war thread was starting to go that way) then I will step in and either delete the thread entirely or edit the posts of the users and message them to settle down. Users can also message me if they disagree with something that’s going on and I’ll look into it and consider what they are saying.

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http://www.twoguyssoftware.ca

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"I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

midnight-fire.org

btw - this place is already a 'closed community', when you apply the name of 'Christian' you are going to only get Christians and trouble makers. When you allow the trouble to continue, then you lose the Christians and it's all a big disgrace.

so yeah, delete vulgar posts or this forum will die further.

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"I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

midnight-fire.org

However i will ask you to tone down the sexual explicitness of some of your posts, you can share your situation enough without having to go into explicit detail.. However you are welcome here, and we don't want this to be a 'fake place'... if you feel that to help deal with your sin, you need to confess your sins specifically to other people as well as to God - which is a good part of accountibility and also the process of healing and dealing with shame and getting forgiveness - then i urge you to ask for some people here to become accountibility partners with you, and we will be willing to hear the grossest of details , over private email.. I am personally willing to do that. But only if you assure me that you are serious - serious abotu getting free from your bondage, and serious of God.. I'm sure there are others here who also are willing

metalman : can you give me kittas ICQ number, i'd like to chat with him in private..

insanepoet: I hear what you are saying, but i think you are missing the point. Attitudes like yours have been a reason that sexual sin in general is not dealt with or talked about in the church .. It is a quite subject, no one dares bring it up, no one dares asking for help.. I'd rather the occassional person be exccessive, or even play us, than to close out somebody in need of help in advice.. When i could have shown them love and possibly bring them to/(or back to God), rather than forcing them away possibly never to come to the path of life, but to eternal damnation, just so i can live in my perfect little 'see not evil, hear not evil' middle class nicey nicey christian world..

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Karl /GODCENTRIC
Visionary Media
the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

I personally appreciate Krylar and Mack for letting these sorts of discussions continue and for not deleting them immediately (with some previous exceptions). If we can't debate and present reasonable argument for God on a practically anonymous bulletin board site, how can we go about our day to day testimony in public when we actually have to speak to people who would rather laugh at God to his face than hear anything about him?

Let's not forget why we are here: to minister to others - Christian and non-Christian alike.

God bless,
Matt

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"I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

midnight-fire.org

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"I find myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world!"
-C. S. Lewis

midnight-fire.org

and i must point out.. the purpose of the church, the purpose of christians in this life, the purpose that History has continued is for such things as this. the gospel, the church doesn't exist soley for itself, but primarily for the lost, the be a light in the darkness. This is a Christian community and i believe it is safe , there have been much more serious things as far as christianity is concerned that have come up here that would be more dangerous to young or weak christians than this thread. Christian communities are supposed to be like Christ, to be cities on a hill, not having our light under a comfortable little bucket!, not ingroups of friends who have formed themselves i nice little comfort zone.. It shocks me the love of Christ for this individual seems absent, and that this 'point, issue' is more important than seeing this brother (or seeker) being set free from his slavery..

there are two scenarios with fitta,

1) either he is geniune, and he is doing SCF as he said, and He does have some diseases to be free and to follow Christ, though still not willing to "go all the way" with obedience to God and still trying to cling to some things of the word

2) he is a fake, He is having a lot of fun messing us around, He isn't doing SCF at all, just lying his head off..

If you can prove 2) then we will delete his messages for ya .. I myself have seen some of his explicit words, and thought there is no repentance in that. He must be just playing us.. but the way he words some of the other things is very usual for a 'troll' or troublemaker.. So i give him the benefit of the doubt, Because i am to love Him as Christ does.. and Christ loves him with a passion. Christ wants him to be lead to Him to get complete freedom, Be set free by the son.. Are you willing to get in the way of Christs will? We have asked him to tone down the explicitness of his posts - we'll see how he responds.. But we will not ask him to not be real - we will not ask him to be fakey fakey everything is alright now.. We will not ignore his issues for our own comfort..

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Karl /GODCENTRIC
Visionary Media
the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

If you check this topic:
http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum12&topic=000116

He claims to be from Nigeria, correct?
But then his Nickname is very much Swedish and contains very vulgar words even for a non christian.
Sure the nickname might be a coincidence as far as I know fitta_kuken can mean "pass me the butter, please" in nigerian.

Then again, check his profile, and his email-adress is Swedish also:
usa_ett_bra_land@hotmail.com, means "usa a great country"..

I'm sorry, i really think I should have kept all this to myself to start with but now you can at least understand why I won't believe a word he sais.

I don't want him to leave or anything, I just wish he could try to be serious. But that's not my thing to argue.

And if you think of it all I have done is proved he has lied once,
the rest might be very truthfull...

I will leave it at this.

This thread should go back to it's original topic, I'm sorry I ruined it.

Cheers

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Don't hate me for who I am, hate me for what I do instead...

anyway,
fitta dude - we are awaiting your reply.

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Karl /GODCENTRIC
Visionary Media
the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

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Originally posted by klumsy:
anybody know where i can pick up a one or two brain cells? ( i hope its not three that i need).. maybe you can buy these on ebay these days..

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I have plenty to sell, their top quality though, very expensive, you see, they've never been used!

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Fight(as in overkill) the Good Fight of Faith...

[This message has been edited by ArchAngel (edited April 26, 2003).]