the thing is, it has been said that - with this event the Messiah will reveal himself unto the world.

to me - I see a super nova impacting this solar system and wreaking destruction, but how does the 'Messiah revealing himself' come into the equation ??

I can see this star being a horrendous problem to somebody (if not us) (and if us ..... when ?) does anybody follow these statements made at various stages that "the messiah will return or reveal himself" ?

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global chiefy to yer old seafarin' maties

If we're seeing it now, that means it actually happened a long time ago, BTW.

I seriously doubt it would impact our solar system - nearly all stars in the universe are too far away to affect earth! Only the Sun is really close enough to impact earth. At ~10,000 LY away, it does nothing better than get oohs and aahs from the astronomers, now that they have telescopes to see it in detail.

Remember that whenever light/energy/gravity/whatever travels any distance, the energy is spread out - the equation is 1/(r^2) - and for something that's lightyears away, you'd have to put an unbelievable amount of energy out for earth to even feel it.

In any case, I don't see how this is unique, since supernovas have been observed before. Same old, same old.

Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heavan, nor the Son, but only the Father." NIV

Matthew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heavan, nor the Son, but only the Father." NIV

Luke 17:22-25 Then he said to his disciples, "The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Som of Man, but you will not see it. Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

(I tried to find the thief in the night one but couldnt remeber where it is)

One more point... Be watchful but careful with what is told to you... I definatly encourage reading of Revalation and some other "end time" pieces found in the new testament, or even in Daniel or Isaiah. If someone says "Christ is coming" check it with scripture and I will tell you this more often then not that person will be false. (Christ is only coming back once! Will you be ready?)

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Hebrews 12:28-29 NIV
"Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverance and awe, for our 'God is a consuming fire.'"

Matthew 11:18-19 NIV
"For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."

Every man has a battle to fight, an adventure to live and a beauty to rescue. ~John Eldrige

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By the way, that super nova happened around 10,000 years ago. The only nova that really would affect earth would probably be our sun. The closest star is 4 light years away, that is around 23,462,784,000,000 miles away. That's far. Now, Rho Cassiopeiae is 10,000 light years away.

I know I'm repeating what alot of you said, but hey, what the heck?

Supernovas are awesome events. and who knows, it might be the sign of the Messiah. But I'm not putting my faith in something as unsure as that.

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Originally posted by GUMP:
Just out of curiousity, who says this indicates anything at all and why? You just said "it has been said", not saying what groups say this.

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Bill, MC is the one GUMP, he says that a great message in the sky will reveal all
hey, didn't you follow the link I put in after the words "it has been said" ? (in top post)

there is a link there to Bill, MC himself, saying all the stuff that brought me to this thread on here to see what you fine ppl thought

COBRAa1 thanks for the scientific low down on the subject, who knows, one day man WILL be able to traverse the distances that you speak of

the warp drive may be just around the corner, following discovery of a THIRD nuclear process

Wacko, you say Christ is only coming back once, will you be ready ?

Wacko, are you ready ? What will happen then ?

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from your old mate
c h i e f y
global chiefy to yer old seafarin' maties

That zero-point energy stuff is interesting, but it's got the same problems as antimatter: We can't produce enough to get any reasonable amount of energy from it. Most experiments with these types of things have been done on an atomic level, but you'll need to use trillions of them to make them feasible.

It makes for interesting mathematics, though .

I'm hoping we'll see more fusion power in the future. It won't power faster-than-light spaceships, but it'll be cleaner than fission .

sorry, I love talking about future technologies.

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On junk prophecy:
I once had a strange dream about the remnants of a supernova that had a pulsar in the middle that was near in the sky to a quasar. The nebula that was formed was spherical and if the astronimers made a 3D model of the of the nebula and then looked at it 90 degrees from our feild of view you could see the face of God. Strange dream but I've had worse. The thing is you really can't tell if a prophcey is true until it comes to pass. But even if you did see images in the nebula like the horse head nebula and such people would say that its just like looking at the clouds and seeing things in them. I'm reminded of Jeremiah when the false prophets prophecied some very believable things because the Lord had delivered Isreal in the past, but Jeremiah said judgement was comming and gave proof in the form of judgement against the false prophet personally. I don't put to much weight on dreams and prophecies and words that come and go, I put my weight on the bible properly interpreted through a sound system of hermuntics.

On Fusion:
The problem of fusion power sounds hard but when its actually broken down into smaller parts it sounds much easyer, like building "a beter magnent", or "antenna", not that plasma dynamics is easy but the engineering aspect is much less complicated.

Love in Christ
Gift

On Fusion:
Fusion is basically combining atoms to make new atoms.

Later!

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-Getting more energy out than put in (a lot of energy has to be put in in order to maintain fusion temperatures).

-Preventing the plasma from touching the sides of the physical container, which would decrease the temperature.

Both of these have been overcome, I believe, on a limited scale for small amounts of time.

My take ( FWIW ) is that God can work through dreams, but sometimes dreams just mean nothing. If a dream affects your relationship with God positively, then it does not matter where it comes from, it is good. But talking about dreams from God is a good way to make other people start seeking such things and trying to read meaning into every dream they remember, which is not a productive thing.

Muslims tell..."Why I Chose Jesus"
http://www.missionfrontiers.org/2001/01/muslim.htm

Grace and Peace

Rowan

I personally had a vision which started me looking for Christ. This is the first time I've mentioned it. My reasoning remains that in a land where the Bible is open, and people by nature seek new experiences, if I started to tell people that I had a vision, they will want to have a vision also. It's simply better to praise God personally, but not to start a situation where people feel left out, or wanting more of things that are wonderful, yet superfluous ( people who have never had a vision or dream from God can still be saved, after all ).

Its sad that there are so many people thirsty for God's Word in the world who can't get a Bible, yet there are millions of Bibles lying round in our countries gathering dust.

Hows the lump ?

The lump is getting bigger, it's pushing an eye closed now. I'm going back to the quack this afternoon.