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Devil's tool? – gingerellies

gingerellies

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I have an odd question. I have heard of a tool that the devil uses against people and this is the source of his power or something to that effect. What is the name of that tool, and does anybody know anything about it. Where is this mentioned in the Bible, etc?

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-Ginger

lostreflections

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Not an answer to your question, but I did get a chuckle out of the double-entendre found in the subject of your post.

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rowanseymour

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I don't think there is one tool that the devil uses but many.

The name satan means "accuser" and that is a tool we see him use a lot in the Bible. He likes to find people in pain and distress and tell them all their problems are because of God. Guilt is another tool he uses to keep us from returning to God and asking for forgiveness when we have sinned.

It is good to be aware of how our enemy fights but keep your mind on our Father in Heaven who is infinitely more powerful.

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gingerellies

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Certainly my focus is on God. I only ask because someone was talking about this tool (and I get the feeling that it is material in some way) that the devil uses, like a magic wand for lack of a better way of describing it. I had never heard of it before, but now it has come up multiple times. I wish I could remember the name of this thing, so I could ask the question better, but I just can't recall. I wanted to research it, because I don't like to take what other people say at face value. I wanted to see what the bible had to say about it, but now I can't remember the name of it, which makes it quite difficult to look up.
What these people called it was not an ordinary word, I had never heard of it before, but if I heard it again, I am sure I would recognise it.

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-Ginger

MeanManInOz
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The only tool the devil has is lies.
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InsanePoet

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Satan is the destroyer, he want to destory families, marriages, friendships, he would destroy your body if he could.

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gingerellies

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I am not entirely sure what type of object it is. All I have been hearing is the name, and I just can't remember it. That is the reason I wanted to know about it. I get the feeling though that it may be some sort of sceptor. But, I do not know for sure.
Indeed the devil seeks only to destroy, and from what I understand, he is using this for his power to do so. Like I said, I don't know for sure, but I would like to do more research on it.

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-Ginger

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MeanManInOz
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Indeed the devil seeks only to destroy, and from what I understand, he is using this for his power to do so. Like I said, I don't know for sure, but I would like to do more research on it.

With *all* due respect, I think you've seen something in a movie. Nothing like this actually exists. Read Job - the only time the devil could act was when God let him. He is NOT able to go around attacking people. He does indeed walk the earth seeking whom he can devour, but the only power he has is the power he had in Eden - to say 'did God really say' and see the results. His desire is to see others share his fate, he is not the ruler of hell, as you might see in a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

gingerellies

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meanman, all I ever seem to hear from you is snide remarks with a condescending attitude. I do pray for you. I hope you can find the joy and peace that God has for you.
I heard about this "thing" at Christian gatherings and on my Christian radio stations. I have heard it in many places recently and this is why I have interest in knowing more about it. I seek to know all things about God and all that is going on in this world. If it is a metaphorical expression then I want to know that as well. If it is a lie being spead to frighten Christians, I want to know that. I simply seek the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I will find it and God will help me.

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InsanePoet

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I have learned from previous experience that is not good to ponder much on Satan. As Nfektious said, it made him spiritually and physically nasuious.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't "know our enemy", I'm saying that thinking too much about it is asking for trouble.

Satan is a horrid beast who cannot be described by this earthly language.

Meanman, it seems to me that you think that Satan is weak. He can do a lot with those little lies. He can destroy lives by decieving them and leading them down the wrong path. So arm yourself with the truth and the light of God that you may see the lies of Satan.


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MeanManInOz
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Meanman, it seems to me that you think that Satan is weak. He can do a lot with those little lies. He can destroy lives by decieving them and leading them down the wrong path. So arm yourself with the truth and the light of God that you may see the lies of Satan.

No, not at all. I think ( as you said ) that his strength comes from two areas. One is our own weakness ( every man is drawn away of his own lust and enticed according to James ) and the other is people talking about the Devil so much that they become scared and think he can do anything to people who are looking to Jesus. Those lies have done a lot and can do a lot, but the problem is solved if we do not listen and instead do what God says.

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Joking aside, could somebody explain to me why a spiritual being would need physical tool?

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Something I actually agree on with meanmaninoz

If anyone is pushing something like this physical weapon they are getting dangerously close to witchcraft-like ideas. They may still be meaning this metaphorically though. The battle is not against flesh and blood.

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InsanePoet

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Remember that Satan is not the lord of hell, but the lord of earth.
His demons run about this planet in unumerable quanities.

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InsanePoet

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Havn't gotten a PM for a LONG time.
I just checked it.

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MeanManInOz
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I'm not saying it is possible, but it could be plausible for Lucifer and his minions to have something similar. In my honest and humble opinion, the Devil and his angels and those who follow him/them are quite literally exact mirrors of Christ and true Christians. When one considers the reality and manner in which prophets of evil pray to their lord and how it is so diametrically opposed to our good acts of worship to our Lord this all becomes frighteningly real to the point of making skin crawl.

If such things remotely existed outside of old horror movies, you don't think the Bible would warn us ? You're conjuring up images that don't exist, in fact letting the Devil have the only victory he can, in making you believe, or at least consider, stuff that is plainly not true about him and his abilities.

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Crptc_Prgrmr

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The Ark of the Covenant is actually a good case in point. Remember how the Israelites got into trouble trying to take it into a battle without God's say-so? They were routed and the Ark was stolen (returned after wreaking havoc in the pagan temple . The Israelites were treating it as if God were in the box, or at least some kind of power. The power did not come from the material object but the God who made the covenant with the Israelites.

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There's a difference you know, 'tween having faith and playing make-believe. One will make you grow, the other one's just a fantasy...

Faith without works is like a song you can't sing, it's about as useless as a screendoor on a submarine...