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Johnny Member Posts: 16 From: California, USA Registered: 12-23-2001 |
My mom is thinking of going back to being a Jehovah's Witness, and taking me along with her! She seems pretty adamant about it, and I dont know how to talk her out of it! Please, help! Someone, for the love of God! |
Briant Member Posts: 742 From: Stony Plain, Alberta, Canada Registered: 01-20-2001 |
http://www.carm.org/witnesses.htm http://www.ronrhodes.org/jws.htm ------------------ |
c h i e f y Member Posts: 415 From: Surrey, United Kingdom Registered: 03-07-2002 |
Briant, your www on witnesses was interesting  a few days ago I went to my uncle's funeral,it was the shortest service I have ever been to IN MY LIFE at his funeral - at least half the congregation were my aunt's JW friends and the lesson included a 5 minute history of my uncle which was amazingly good because Adam was tempted in the garden of Eden and CORRUPTED, this led to the downfall but soon my uncle AND millions of others will be resurrected, from their sleep and it won't be long before this day of reckoning, my uncle will live once again.... after the funeral, a lot of the witnesses came back to my aunt's house and were a great comfort to her I must say there were very few young ones, they were all aged 60+ but that's probably when my uncle was alive he was a generous, larger than life character, amazing sense of humour, always had us I still can't believe that service though, half an hour at the most! no collection no flowers either! Hey Johnny, your mom is thinking of "going back" to the JWs..... ? ------------------ [This message has been edited by c h i e f y (edited March 22, 2002).] |
D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
You have to obey your parents, that you can't argue with, but if you don't want to go, then your gonna have to explain why. If you don't want to go and your mum respects you, she won't make you go. But it's a hard call mate... --D-SIPL |
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
D-SIPL: It's more important to stay a Christian than it is to obey everything your parents say. If your parents want you to convert to something else, it's very important that you disobey them in doing that. God's law supercedes the word of your parents. †Caleb† ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
I'm sorry, but it says in black and white, "obey your parents", so you must submit to them until you are 18. If God tells him otherwise then fair enough, but he has to do what the bible has told him to do. Unless someone wants to correct me... --D-SIPL |
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Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I can't believe I'm having this conversation. You are saying that we should obey our parents when they say to convert to another religion other than Christianity. But doing so would be disobeying God! To turn away from Christ is to spit in his face. Yes, the Bible does say we should obey our parents, but don't be so rigid in applying it to absolutely everything! God's law superceds the word of your parents! When the word of your parents conficts with God's law, you go with God's law, not your parent's word! If your parents told you to kill someone, would you? Matthew 10:34-39 (NLT) †Caleb† ------------------ |
rowanseymour Member Posts: 284 From: Belfast, Northern Ireland Registered: 02-10-2001 |
D-SIPL: I fear you are unfamiliar with the unchristian doctrines of the JWs, they deny the deity of Christ. Honouring your earthly parents should NEVER be at the expense of denying Christ and perhaps forsaking your salvation. Should a Muslim, a Buddist, a Satanist or a Pagan remain that way because his/her parents say they should ? Honour your Mother and Father, but honour your heavenly Father first. Johnny: I pray God gives you the strength and wisdom to talk to your mother about this, and to be a messenger for the truth whilst still giving her the love and respect the she deserves as your mother. ------------------ [This message has been edited by rowanseymour (edited March 24, 2002).] |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
if your parents were say satanists and they commanded you to kill a baby as a sacrfice , would you obey? NO... and the 18 thing? that age is more an age of modern law than anything in the bible.. i believe you are meant to honour your parents even after you are married (though of course you don't obey them in all the same things and you are left them and making your own decisions with your new family) however you still honour them... sometimes you have to have hard words with them to honour them.. the key is to search your heart, and have God do that, pray for pure motives.. so if you ever have to disobey your parents in honouring your God and also thus your parents, you need to offer your heart and motives to God, and deal with all rebellion, and ask God to give your the strength, wisdom and temprament to deal with the situation in love, and not with strife (though strife may follow if the devil is devouring your family)... if you say it in the following way which is rebellious and judgemental then that would be wrong "mum, the truth is, the JW are just full of rubbish, and i have to stick with the right religion and the real God whether you like it or not" that is dishonouring ,(though there is truth in it), it is self rightoues and judgemental.. but I find that in my personal time with God and my relationship with him, that i am convicted that i can't go to the JW church as i feel and believe it teaches against Jesus and the truth. I want to obey you and come with you, but i also want to obey God more.. I hope that you can understand and respect my decision, i don't want to be rebellious and i don't want to cause trouble, but in my heart and my mind, I have to obey what i believe God has told/called me" (of course the above is just a quick example, and only an example.. I pray for wisdom and enabling for our friend in this difficult situation... Karl ------------------ |
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Johnny Member Posts: 16 From: California, USA Registered: 12-23-2001 |
Thank you for all of your words and wisdom. I value them an awful lot. I had a conversation with my mom similar to the one klumsy acted out (the latter, not the former ), and she said she doubts that she will go to the JW church after all. I'm happy that she'd come to that decision, but I'm even more happy that I was doing it for the right reason. That I DO want to obey God, and I DO want to do the right thing by Him. My mom wants to as well, so for now she wants to go to a church which teaches from the Bible, not the Watchtower PS: Like OpenGL? A suprise may be headed your way in a few days... |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
Hehe, looks like i sturred up some merry hell!!! Ok, i was wrong, no need to go over the top and ask me if i would kill a baby if my parents said so  ! That wouldn't stand up in court, now would it??
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c h i e f y Member Posts: 415 From: Surrey, United Kingdom Registered: 03-07-2002 |
hey Klumsy, that WAS a bit over the top with the "kill a baby" comment m8! at least D-SIPL was the first to come to Johnny's side with some quick advice it was given in good faith when corrected he was mature enough to admit that he wrong, he doesn't know much about jws, nor do I hey Johnny, glad your mum has 2nd thoughts and what an interesting thread ------------------ |
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Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
sorry about the kill a baby.. i hadn't expected any of you to actualy obey your parents that far of course.. i wasn't accusing Karl.. ------------------ |
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rowanseymour Member Posts: 284 From: Belfast, Northern Ireland Registered: 02-10-2001 |
Aren't we are all getting a bit defensive here ? Klumsy's example was extreme, but no more so than some of the analogies Jesus used in His ministry, and it was given in love. It does seem strange for someone to offer someone advice on JWs, and then in their next post claim they don't care about what JWs believe. I don't think the purpose of this forum should be to assert our own salvation, but to offer christian fellowship, help and advice to each other. Johnny: That is fantastic news !! Thanks be to God ------------------ |
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Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
Hey! Praise God! And Klumsy, thanks -again- for the help. †Caleb† ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
Cheers cheify, nice to see someone quick to understand !! I admit i was wrong... what more do you want me to say. quote: The advice i gave was to obey your parents, what has that got to do with what JW's beleive?? I said what i thought was right, not based on what JW's beleive, but on what i belive/d. --D-SIPL |
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Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
just a little misunderstanding me thinks we are all christians and can deal with it. peace ,grace, mercy and patience to you all love Karl ------------------ |
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c h i e f y Member Posts: 415 From: Surrey, United Kingdom Registered: 03-07-2002 |
hello rowanseymour what a crackin' thread this is, I just love it... it was already great THEN I go to defend D-SIPL against Klumsy who "it seemed" had hurt D-SIPL Klumsy says sorry meanwhile D-SIPL comes on thanking chiefy for defending him this is just all TOO much, at the end of it all, we're all friends, we have exchanged views/information/apologies love it, really good to the heart.....Krylar....where are you m8?? ------------------ |
I just love it