rowanseymour Member Posts: 284 From: Belfast, Northern Ireland Registered: 02-10-2001 |
What are people's opinions on downloading music illegally from the internet ? It seems to me many tolerate it because it doesn't seem to hurt anybody (but that could be said of many sins). Isn't it wrong on 2 accounts - first that is stealing from the artists, and secondly that it is breaking the copyright laws of the countries in which we live? And yes I am being a great big hipocrite because I have 5GB of mp3s on my computer which I really don't want to delete but I think I am going to have to Advice much appreciated ------------------ |
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MeanManInOz Member Posts: 388 From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia Registered: 06-26-2001 |
Don't worry, I have 60 gig of mp3's :-) Seriously, I download music that mostly is long out of print, and anything I download that I find myself listening to often I will buy. I think the fact that mp3 brings life to music no longer popular enough to be worthwhile publishing is something that gets missed in the overall debate. And I use mirc - that's where meanmanoz came from, it's my mirc sig, after a WASP song. |
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graceworks Member Posts: 455 From: Corvallis, Oregon, USA Registered: 03-03-2001 |
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Rowan - you are correct, Christians should avoid even the appearance of improprietary. Let me encourage you to follow your heart and the spirit's leading and delete your ones that are illegal. Perhaps a better thread for this site would be the same topic ... but on games. Everyone who is reading this - are all your games legitimate? That includes me ... I'm pretty sure all of mine are original but it is a good reminder to double check. Now, if I find my box of OLD stuff (Atari/C64) then there is probably some issues there. Thanks for the wake-up call Rowan! -Tim
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MeanManInOz Member Posts: 388 From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia Registered: 06-26-2001 |
quote: Like I said, most of the music I like is OOP. The rest is stuff I own, or stuff I wrote, or friends wrote. There is a bit of stuff I've downloaded and not liked much. If I find I come back to something and like it, I will buy it. Nowadays I mostly download videos ( as in old video clips, mostly 80's one hit wonders that make me feel nostalgic ), and they make up a portion of that as well.
quote: I could not agree more. I've had a number of arguments with my workmates over games we play that I insist we buy. I don't get how anyone can be in the software industry, work on anti piracy measures for our software, and pirate other peoples. |
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graceworks Member Posts: 455 From: Corvallis, Oregon, USA Registered: 03-03-2001 |
quote: My favorite was a young man planning on majoring in Comp Sci ... he had PSX copies (At the time, I didn't even know you could copy them as my last console was a SNES, finally have PS2 now). The kicker to the young man was his dad has a Computer Science degree and works for a high-tech company (true, on internal support software, nothing that ships, but still!). It is amazing, especially since it seems obvious to me. -Tim ------------------ |
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rowanseymour Member Posts: 284 From: Belfast, Northern Ireland Registered: 02-10-2001 |
So having removed all the mp3s I don't own the original CDs for, ordered 4 must have albums from amazon, and downloaded every last free mp3 on monotonik... I do kinda feel better  I don't really have any games on my computer - nevermind pirated ones - writing games is sooo much more fun Tho I did discover Ultimate Steroids today - a freeware 3d version of asteroids and its pretty cool! ------------------ |
Imsold4christ Member Posts: 305 From: Gresham, OR, US Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I used to do a little bit of the downloading mp3s that weren't mine thing. But since I have a 56K connection that takes forever. What I did a lot more was borrow CDs from the library and copy them onto the computer. But when Napster got into the court debate over their thing, God convicted me of my wrong. I deleted everything that wasn't mine. Now I have over 800 songs on the computer, and they are all from CDs we own. †Caleb† ------------------ |
D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
I use Kazaa and Grokster, to download MP3's before i buy them. Getting decent vinyl these days is very difficult, and i'm not gonna sit in a shop checking each one (iusually play about 20 tracks before i find one that is a real belter). So i use kazaa and grokster to hunt down tracks that i have heard/read/seen are good, listen to them and if i like them i will buy them. If i don't like them then i won't buy them, why do i want to waste money buying vinyl that is rubbish, at least this way i know it's good. Well there my thoughts anyway.... -D-SIPL |
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jake Member Posts: 11 From: Registered: 02-18-2002 |
OOPs [This message has been edited by jake (edited February 18, 2002).] |
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jake Member Posts: 11 From: Registered: 02-18-2002 |
OOPS [This message has been edited by jake (edited February 18, 2002).] |
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jake Member Posts: 11 From: Registered: 02-18-2002 |
The only mp3s I've got are ones from mp3.com (completely legal) or ones I've made from purchased CDs. I used to d/l from Napster, and then I heard Dr. Laura make a very good point: transferring the music from computer to computer is copying music, and that violates copyrights. There you have it. It is against the law to copy music from Napster and other such programs. To play the Devil's advocate: The point about previewing music is a very good one. There IS a lot of crap out there. So one might reason that it is ok, if only to try before buying. But, often, you can't do that with other products that you purchase, so why with music? What makes music different? That you can hear it for free on the radio? You have to take into account that you only hear a narrow selection of songs on the radio, and they are played back at very low quality compared to most of the downloadable music available. So what're your (legal) options? Buy CDs or cassettes, return them (if you can) if you don't like them. Listen to the radio a lot. Just buy oldies. Wait until d'l'ing mp3s is legal. Mp3.com offers (for most real bands) a way to preview selected songs from albums (at loFi) and that is what I do. I can't see any other legal way around it. |
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jake Member Posts: 11 From: Registered: 02-18-2002 |
OOPS [This message has been edited by jake (edited February 18, 2002).] |
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jake Member Posts: 11 From: Registered: 02-18-2002 |
OOPS [This message has been edited by jake (edited February 18, 2002).] |
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jake Member Posts: 11 From: Registered: 02-18-2002 |
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Ahhh, God gives good gifts.