Doesn't the argument come simply down to what you believe happens when you die. The way I see it, he didn't spend those 3 days chilling in heaven so he must have been in hell.

------------------
Rowan@GODCENTRIC Christian Demoscene

[This message has been edited by rowanseymour (edited November 01, 2001).]

Acts 2:31 says "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption."

Now, the Greek word there translated "hell" in the KJV is Hades, which sometimes means just the grave, sometimes means the entire abode of the righteous + unrighteous (ie. like in the parable of the rich man and lazarus), so "hell" in this verse is kind of vague and open for debate. As well, 1 Pet 3:18-20 talks about Christ preaching to the "spirits in prison", but it is not clear when this took place or what was preached. I think these two verses, and maybe Eph 4:8-9, is where some believe scripture teaches that Christ went to hell.

However, *if* Christ did go to hell, I do not believe Christ suffered in hell. Christ did not need to do any more redemptive work after he died, for he said "It is finished" at the moment of his death.

Brian

------------------

what happens when one dies, do they go straight to heaven, hell?
purgatory? (yeah right) etc...
or asleep?
many fights have happened over these. and what happens to the ordinary person may be different than what happened to christ. we don't conquer death by being sinless as jesus did.. i don't know what happened.. i just know that sometime i'll be in heaven with God... and i assume in my perspective it will be the instant after i die, whether its at the second resurection with the whole jesus coming back events or like the next day..
however i think time is different, God exists outside the space time dimention completely so our human thinking gets caught here... people arguing for or against soul sleep, might actually be saying the same thing if you look at it as God exists outside time and space..

and that 3 days in hell thing is quite contentious some read (is it in thessolonians or somewhere, anyway that scripture) to mean he went down and preached to the dead who had died before him..
i don't have a clue but I know my God is good, righteous and Holy and i am saved through Him and i want to abide in him..

KARL

------------------
Karl Prosser
Karl / GODCENTRIC
Klumsy / Surprise ! Productions.
ME / Redeemed by the Living God :)
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz
May God Bless you, he sure does me.

Today you will be with me in paradise. Hell is not paradise. Heaven is. End of story.

†Caleb†

------------------
"True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."

------------------
Karl Prosser
Karl / GODCENTRIC
Klumsy / Surprise ! Productions.
ME / Redeemed by the Living God :)
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz
May God Bless you, he sure does me.

Anyway, does it really matter, is it worth fighting over the fact that he spent 3 days in heaven or hell, it doesn't have any relevance, Jesus said "it is finished" and that's it. End of story, we won, satan lost.

Let's just wait until Jesus comes back, although there's bound to be someone in here that doesn't beleive that he is....

-D-SIPL

quote:

---

Originally posted by D-SIPL:
Anyway, does it really matter, is it worth fighting over the fact that he spent 3 days in heaven or hell, it doesn't have any relevance, Jesus said "it is finished" and that's it. End of story, we won, satan lost.

---

Can't we just have a discussion about it. The more time I spend on the CCN messageboard the less time I have to do anything in work

------------------
Rowan@GODCENTRIC Christian Demoscene

quote:

---

Originally posted by rowanseymour:
Can't we just have a discussion about it. The more time I spend on the CCN messageboard the less time I have to do anything in work

---

Um, no. I don't know abou the rest of you, but I usually get discouraged and burnt out spiritually by disscussions that go on forever and never end.

†Caleb†

------------------
"True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."

Shame MeanManInOz wasn't still here - he always had an opinion on everything.

all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy

-D-SIPL

†Caleb†

------------------
"True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."

------------------
Rowan@GODCENTRIC Christian Demoscene

†Caleb†

------------------
"True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."

God Bless

------------------
Karl Prosser
Karl / GODCENTRIC
Klumsy / Surprise ! Productions.
ME / Redeemed by the Living God :)
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz
May God Bless you, he sure does me.

quote:

---

Originally posted by klumsy:
b.t.w i think rowan was just been chatty though. not trying to presure you to make CCN your life..

---

I know that. The comment was meant to be at least somewhat humorous, not offensive.

†Caleb†

PS: You're quite the mediator aren't you Karl?

------------------
"True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."

[This message has been edited by imsold4christ (edited November 05, 2001).]

-D-SIPL