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MadProf
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From: Larnaka, Cyprus
Registered: 01-24-2001
hi people,

there are two major issues in my life at the moment, which i've got to make a choice about (in both of them), i dont know if they are right, or wrong for me to do, i've prayed about them, and thought about them enough, and i think they are right, just i'm finding it hard to get up the guts to do anything about them. basically, this message is asking someone to please talk me into doing them :-), but please pray for me, and if you can think of anything encouraging to say, please do, as i feel really insecure and lonely at the moment.

Thanks,

MadProf

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Revelator

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From: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Registered: 03-22-2001
Hey MadProf - Don't despair.

You are doing really well, and when the time is right (which it might be now) God will give you the power to act on those choices.

Something that really helps me is this saying from Philip Yancey -

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"Nothing you can do can make God love you more. Nothing you can do can make God love you less."

When I really believe that, it gives me courage to make any decision. And if I make the wrong decision, God will definitely lead me in the right way. But sometimes I have to step out in faith to see if it is the way God really wants me to go.

So hang in there, I'm praying for you, and when the time is right - you'll do what God wants you to.

Revelator!

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Imsold4christ

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If you don't mind, I'm curious as to what those major issues are specifically. I know, it's none of my buisness. But if you told us we wouldn't have to make our prayers so general about it. If you don't want to tell us though, that's fine too of course. Ditto on what Revelator said.

†Caleb†

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MadProf
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From: Larnaka, Cyprus
Registered: 01-24-2001
thanks guys.

IAS4C: seems kinda silly when i say it out loud (or type it out loud... but that expression sounds even sillier).

1) becoming a vegitarian.

2) being baptised. (again)

i was baptised once as a baby already, so I dont know that this is a "proper" thing to do. read through my previous topic on this forum for some more info.

MadProf

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MadProf
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From: Larnaka, Cyprus
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what i mean by "sounding silly", is that they dont (to me) seem like very major issues, when i try to think logically about them, they certainly dont sound like big issues to me. just they feel like whacking great big issues to me inside...

MadProf

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D-SIPL

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Regarding the first issue, i think you really need to be honest with yourslf and do what you really want to do. Don't let other people make decisions for you. If you want to be a vegeterian, then be one ( i personally couldn't go without burgers, kebabs, currys.. ummmmmm, lovely... oh sorry, but thats my personal opinion anyway).

Regarding the second issue, i think you should see your pastor. You said that you were baptised as a baby, i think that if you were baptised again it would be your decision (you can't really make decisions when your a baby) and God will honour that.

Hope this helps mate!!

--D-SIPL

MadProf
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From: Larnaka, Cyprus
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Regarding the first issue, i think you really need to be honest with yourslf and do what you really want to do. Don't let other people make decisions for you.


its almost the oposite tho, my dad and bro are the sorts who would go out and kill, strip, and what-have you to chickens every day if there was no other way to get meat. i dont want to make more cooking for my mum, y'see.

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If you want to be a vegeterian, then be one ( i personally couldn't go without burgers, kebabs, currys.. ummmmmm, lovely... oh sorry, but thats my personal opinion anyway).


lol! i'm fond of kebabs (i live in cyprus! souvlaki is loooovly.) but i just feel its right to do. dunno why. i'm kinda crazy anyway.


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Regarding the second issue, i think you should see your pastor. You said that you were baptised as a baby, i think that if you were baptised again it would be your decision (you can't really make decisions when your a baby) and God will honour that.


church i go to doesn't have a pastor (which is a big pity), as its a community church, and not rich enough to employ someone, and it seems to run pretty well with different people preaching/leading/etc each week. i'm going to talk to someone soon, i hope. trouble with both of these things is that the other people concerned are *SOO* nice and kind, that they just say "whatever you want", or "i dont mind" or "its up to you", and i dont know if they are doing so just to be kind to me, and i dont want to impose on anyone... perhaps i'm just too feeble. hehe

thanks,

MadProf

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Imsold4christ

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From: Gresham, OR, US
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Well, if you want to know what the BIBLE says about becoming a vegitartian, read all of Romans chapter 14 (it's not super long). In a nutshell it says that if you believe it's okay to eat meat, then it's okay. But if you believe it's wrong to eat meat, then it's wrong for you to eat meat.

†Caleb†

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Revelator

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Actually Caleb, the issue is more about whether one was going to eat meat sacrificed to idols or not.

But you are right, our salvation is not based upon what we eat and drink.

It is interesting though that the original diet for Adam and eve was the nuts and grains. Vegetables were added after the fall, and only after the flood did God give permission for humans to eat meat (without the blood in it).

So going back to the original ideal that God had for us is a wise choice. I used to be a vegetarian, but I have been a bit slack lately. I know it is a lot better for me, and hopefully I will get some selfcontrol and get back to it. (But I don't see it as a major spiritual issue in my life at the moment)

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CobraA1

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How do you figure that vegatables didn't come until after the fall? I don't see any verses in the Bible indicating that.
Revelator

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Hi CobraA1

You can deduce that vegetables were allowed to be eaten after the fall by two verses.

First: Gen 1:29

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Notice that every plant is seed-bearing, but we don't eat thistles. So "Seed-bearing plant" is obviously a subgroup of plants that we can eat, ie. plants that have fruit such as tomatoes and the actually seeds themselves (nuts).

Second:

After the fall Adam is cursed:
Gen 3:17-19

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

Notice verse 18 gives the distinction that they will eat the plants of the field. (ie vegetables)
He will have to work hard in the field (ie plowing etc) to produce this food.


Feel free to disagree with me. I don't see it as concrete evidence, but just an observation.

Revelator!

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