zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
man http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20071101/ca_pr_on_en/dog_bounty_hunter_racist_1 talk about sad, sorry as far as I am concerned a racial slur does not talk about a person's character, it rips on the way they were born--if you want to talk about someone having a bad character, there is tons of non-sexual and non-racial terms you can use. really sad for someone who built a career helping people ------------------ |
jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
hmmm, why is nobody commenting on the recording and exploitation of private phone records? That seems a little off to me... ------------------ |
spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
he got what he deserved,he knew better than that. as the matter of fact he deserves more than that. and zookey i will have to disagree with you racism says a lot about your character . saying a racial slur says there is prejudice hidden deep down inside a person. but the man did say sorry so imo he should have been forgiven ,personally i have no problem with him since he said sorry as long as he doesn't do the same thing again. ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
if only he revealed that he himself was black, everybody would just say "oooh, my bad" and he could go on as if nothing happened. Racial slurs mean less and less to me as time goes by. It's the motivation behind it that hurts people, and not the word itself. When people stop moaning over the semantics, maybe we might be able to get somewhere. I know many PC people who I hold to be racist. They'd never say anything against a minority, but... that's exactly it. I can't help but taste the dripping condescension when talking about how minorities need their help. man, I wish I could point you to this south park episode.
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
Arch: It's not the how that bothers me, it's more the "how is THAT not bigger news/more illegal?". And I totally agree that it's more the person's "heart" that is "racist" then anything else (although i still don't support the use of those terms). ------------------ |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
quote: Spade bro hehe--I am sorry I worded it wrong I wasn't talking abotu Dog's character--no doubt it was lousy of him to do it I was replying to Dog's defense ---he said he used the N word to comment on his son's girlfriend's character (who was black) and he didn't mean it as a comment on her race----all I have to say to that is WTF and also what I said in the first post. Yeah it was wrong his phone was tapped, but I guess I am shell shocked tho this dude was supposed to be a good guy. Arch--the way he used was racist--it was intent on being a hurtful word--this all started when the girlfriend overheard him use the word and he told his son something like, "I will not let some N ruin my 30 years worth of work'--it downright degraded her just because of the way she was born---so he fits in that racist thing. I agree society can be too PC, but this isn't the case IMO---I saw part of the Naggers episode--funny, but still the dude from Seinfeld got what he deserved if he was so mad at those dudes in the night club there is tons of non-sexual-non-racial names you can call them that aren't PC--so it isn't an over-PC society attacking him. Yeah it will be funny to see if National Enquirer gets busted on this---I think all sides are wrong. ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
arch: are you gonna start complaining about why black people are allowed to say the n word and you are not?? get over it man you know it's offensive to black people so don't say it . and it does mean a lot. when a white man says the n word being part of the majority race which has opressed the minority for so many years he is acting irresponsible and exploiting the liberty he has(freedom of speech). if you know that word is considered to be hateful,racist and offensive the only reason you would say it is either you are hateful,racist,or you just want to offend a black person. which in all cases is wrong to say. the reason why so many white people don't like the fact that they are not allowed to say the n word is that there is still some racism left in them(at least in most cases).maybe racism is to strong maybe the right word is pre-judice but anyways if you respect black people you don't say it if you don't then you say it. should it matter to you whether you are allowed to say a hateful word or not?? in case you don't know to this date people look down on black people as if black people are not humans or inferior humans. the level of pre judice may differ but at some level most non-black people see black people as differnt . and in my opinon evolution and atheism plays some part in the whole thing too ,since black people look more monkey like than white people they must be less evolved..... if you believe in evolution(which i don't ). every person in a racially diverse society has the responsibility to behave in a manner that does not offend others(specially an entire race of people) and when you act irresponsible then ..... but in my opinioin he should have been forgiven.i think this happens because of public relations and stuff... ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
sorry about the misunderstanding zookey,arch... ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
quote: N/P I think Dog should be forgiven on one level, but honestly though I think it is true colors coming through--he should'nt be a self-help spokesman and in a leadership position if he looks down on people like that. And, with different races and the N word---it should just not be used, I don't care if someone in the KKK is using it negatively or someone like Snoop Dog using it 'positively' in his music--it is what it is and we shouldn't have different rules for different races (example: sometimes black people can use the N word but white people never can) because that is just racism--and you can't solve the problem of racism with racism----either way it just blows me away--Dog spent time in prison for helping (sorta) in a racial killing (he was on hand when a friend killed a black dude)--so you think that time in prison and the well-publicized turn-around he had since then would have been a wake up call and taught him to value people. ------------------ [This message has been edited by zookey (edited November 01, 2007).] |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
Honestly, all hell won't break loose from Dog using the word... its downright wrong, in my opinion, to use the word at all... no matter if it was derogatory or not... I've had friends use it, never in a racial way, but I still don't like it. He did a bad thing, but its all being blown out of porportion by the press. A LOT of people say that word. IT doesn't matter what race they are, most of the time, its used as a very de-grading and hurtful word. But still, Dog isn't the last remaining man to have ever said the word, adn he won't be the last... And, um... you really shouldn't be so "Shocked" that he... not that he used the word, but that he did something bad. No matter how good you think someone is, they all have a skeleton in the closet, or mess-up from time-to-time. Only Jesus never sinned... lol, hope that helped... and not... or... didn't add fuel to whatever fire there is here... ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
well, Zookey, I didn't comment on Dog's use of it for a reason. Just talking about the word itself. just to clarify.
quote: See THIS is what I'm referring to. Why separating people according to race? The slavers and slaves, their children and their children's children are long dead, and anyone who wants to hold on to that is grasping at straws. We need to learn from the past, but not dwell on it.
quote: Hardly. If they want to say it, they will. Dog did. I'd hold that the people who are so opposed to it's use are trying to hide their feelings of racism inside. The entire homophobe-being-homosexual complex. (no, I am not accusing of being racist, I'm referring to other cases) I'm annoyed at the amount of political correctness put into it. And I have to admit, I'm rather a hypocrite. I'll use other terms, especially when referring to asians and whites(who are a minority where I live), but not others. I'm opposed to PC, but yet I'll give in to it. And it's all because blacks will whine more about it. I hardly think atheism and evolution play a big role, seeing that many racists were to unintelligent to really draw those conclusions, and many, regrettably, are religious. ------------------ |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
OIC I thought you were saying it should've been ok for Dog to say it---my bad-----my thing is that I think First Amendment protects the word, but that doesn't make it right or intellegent----and I think his deep-seeded hatred came out because he didn't think anyone was looking---but if you have feelings about a certain race you need to be open with yourself and take measures to broaden your horizons on it and meet people who will help you balance out your view--just staying stuck in it and 'hiding' it from everyone will only come back to bite you in the end---it is just sad because he seemed like a role model--not perfect but that he seemed one of the few to learn from his past you know LOL on the 2 cents of doom--is that tax deductable?? LOLJK ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
Yeah, I agree.
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
quote: One of the sad truths of life is that there are no real role models [/QUOTE] I wouldn't entirely say that, but then again LOL many 'role models' have a bad habit of shooting themselves in the foot like this so who knows! ------------------ |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
2nd post http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071102/ap_on_en_tv/people_duane_chapman;_ylt=AtBmfwxWSB8PBhccRi2I6JGs0NUE Looks like the NE wasn't tapping his phone, man LOL part of me says I don't blame his son, but to profiteer like that tells me his son isn't any better, if it is the kid I am thinking of he just got out of a long stint in jail tho so he is probably the type who does anything for money and, honestly, if you watch the series enough you know Dog wasn't there for most of his kids--both Duane Lee and Leland hated him for the longest time and he has like 11 other kids that he has various degrees of contact with----so this Tucker kid probably thought he was getting back---imo both are in the wrong. ------------------ |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
Multiple post--here is another update http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071103/ap_on_en_tv/people_duane_chapman I don't think his comments were to incite violence like some dude says, but this is sad either way and it was an irresponsible and ignorant comment. ------------------ |
