I'm sorry, but I feel like I HAVE to see if its good or... compelately crappy.

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Noboyd (save possibly the people who go all-out on decorations) "celebrates" haloween... I don't think...

I Dunno, maybe some people do, I loved it when I was small, I got to carve pumpkins and gorge myself on candy while dressing up as cowboys, pirates (I think) Knights and Marines! (Though too many people called me "G.I. joe for me to EVER consider going by their houses again.. even wiht my own kids!)

I think dentists would agree that Haloween should be banned, but I don't really see the harm in dressing up and chowing down on candy, or carving pumkins.

Nowadays... there is harm in TPing.

Sorry, but i don't see whats "evil" about haloween.
Young LIfe (christain teen outreach organization (that doesn't only outreaces, it helps people in their walk with christ)) Is even doing a haloween thing (htought not on haloween)

Sorry, I just don't understand.

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i like the sig tho. perhaps a little big.

Hallow wean! ha.

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
[BI think dentists would agree that Haloween should be banned, but I don't really see the harm in dressing up and chowing down on candy, or carving pumkins.
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Originally posted by Realm Master:

Sorry, but i don't see whats "evil" about haloween.
Young LIfe (christain teen outreach organization (that doesn't only outreaces, it helps people in their walk with christ)) Is even doing a haloween thing (htought not on haloween)

Sorry, I just don't understand.

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Halloween comes from the original pagan holiday of the British Isle Druids, known as "Samhain" (pronounced Sow-ween). Here is a good bit about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween

And Wiki isn't the only place where I have heard of that. I only got the spelling of the original holiday from it.

Personally I hate the holiday. Sure it's fun to dress up, and I wish there was a "dress up" kinda holiday without the pagan roots. I don't like the feel of the holiday, with or without the druid roots. To me it's demonic, but that's just my opinion. Regardless of the my feelings about it, the roots are there none the less

But on the positive note, with all of the evil that takes place on that day (such as neo-pagan\wiccan rituals). It is a good opprunity for a Christian witness (as Realm and Budd referenced). My Church has a harvest festival and it has good results.

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Now about the sigy again...

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*blank look on face*

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Now about the sigy again...

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Well, it is night when you go trick-or-treating. Could be a bit too faded like Faith Warrior said. Halloween has two L's but you probably caught that already.

And for 99.99% of trick-or-treaters, Halloween is just when you dress up, get candy and hang out with friends. The people who don't celebrate Halloween seem to take it more seriously than anyone else, and need to chill out.

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Originally posted by CheeseStorm:

The people who don't celebrate Halloween seem to take it more seriously than anyone else, and need to chill out.

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haha, tell that to the wiccans and neo-pagans

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I come from a family who doesn't celebrate halloween. I'm a little old for trick-or-treating and parties aren't my thing. All I really do is play comp games or watch a movie (Sleepy Hollow is on my list this year... all those heads rolling, how can you not like that movie?)

but, by golly, if people make such a big deal over halloween, I'm gonna raid my neighborhood like a couple geeks in WoW.

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Originally posted by ArchAngel:
How come we get annoyed when people secularize and water down Christmas, but not when people do that to Halloween?

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I don't like Halloween becuase of its roots, and I dont like the feel of it, period. But I never told anyone not to celebrate it. Realm Master after all did ask why people have a problem with it and I answered

If he didn't ask I wouldnt have said anything on this thread

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Originally posted by ArchAngel:
How come we get annoyed when people secularize and water down Christmas, but not when people do that to Halloween?
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but, by golly, if people make such a big deal over halloween, I'm gonna raid my neighborhood like a couple geeks in WoW.

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It's simple, if you choose to now celebrate it out of spite, than that is your choice. But I choose to have nothing to do with this holiday and should not be made to feel as if it's something I should celebrate. I say I don't and with good reason, cant that be respected by others? You can eat your meats sacrificed to other god's as the bible allows by account of your own conscience, I never said you must stop, but I choose not to, in knowledge of what it is I just... cant. So you can try to make me feel bad and say you will now celebrate it out of spite, but let that be of your own conscience, I still choose not to calibrate it what so ever and feel fine with saying why I will not.

As an alternative, some Churches do celebrate all saints day/eve. Mine does in fact, I usually help with setting it up the game booths and all that. Seems like each year that holiday gets buried even more by this dark Halloween bs.

btw, I don't play wow, either :P
(many of the same underline reasons but more)

Maybe on the 31'st I'll put one of those on my driveway... then hoist my right-wing fundamentalist compound flag up the flag pole above my 'don't tread on me' flag and upside down US flag (signifies distress) then spot 1000 watt lights on it. Then crank up my 400 watt stereo to Mortification and Social Distortion while I set up some beer bottles in the yard and conduct shooting practice with my assortment of assault rifles and tactical shotgun.

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Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

I'll leave the interpretation of this chapter up to you all.

-J

And the siggy is sweet!

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BTW, I think it is rather childish to not participate in something harmless and fun because "it's a pagan ritual" So what? Too high and mighty to mix in with the rest of the world? It's all about having fun, not about worshipping pagan gods that don't exist. Halloween has become what St. Patty's day and St. Valentines day is. Just a day for fun. Golly-gee-whiz people make such a big deal out of nothing.

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Actually, Halloween is from the French tradition called All Saint's Day. It stands for All Hallow's Eve, or all holy's day before the holiday. Such as Christmas Eve. It really wasn't pagan, so to speak, because France was mainly Catholic. That where we get most of the tradition from, almost NONE of the paganistic parts have even been kept.

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The Catholics turned it into "All Saints Day" because of it's pagan origins. Just like Easter was turned into celebrating Jesus's resurrection and Christmas was turned into celebrating Christ's birth from Pagan holidays.

But the Catholic holiday isn't celebrated by the majority. It's Saimhaim, the *original* pagan holiday. It might be called Halloween becuase of the Catholic reclaiming of it. But the actual nature of the holiday is the Druid holiday.

That's why, if *anything* I would celebrate Harvest or something of that sort, but I'm not really into it. And I'm not Catholic so I see saints differently than they do, so I wouldn't celebrate "All Saints Day" because it doesn't apply to me.

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BTW, I think it is rather childish to not participate in something harmless and fun because "it's a pagan ritual" So what? Too high and mighty to mix in with the rest of the world? It's all about having fun, not about worshipping pagan gods that don't exist. Halloween has become what St. Patty's day and St. Valentines day is. Just a day for fun. Golly-gee-whiz people make such a big deal out of nothing.

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Romans 14:1-4

1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

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I think this is sad on a *Christian* forum, a place where you *should* be able to talk about your conivctions openly and not be hounded.

But instead if we don't want to celebrate Halloween we are beat down and told to "lighten up". Why don't I celebrate my hoilday's and you celebrate yours? This isn't an issue of being high and mighty, it's about personal conviction. I have friends who celebrate halloween, and I don't look down on them because of *my* convictions.

So why cant you do the same?

P.S. Cheesestorm, this is not addressed to you in any way

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Personally I celebrate Halloween, Easter and Christmas. I don't see how people can get so offended at Halloween and then a month later bring in a fir tree place it in a place of honor decorate it actively lie to their children and then have the tree spew forth gifts. I think the holidays should be celebratd in the spirit that they have become and not feared because of some questionable past.

*Bits of my head fly around everywhere*

SOMBODY LOCK THIS THREAD!

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Yeah, nobody has a problem with hunting for Easter eggs. But if some little kids dress up as superheroes and go asking for candy, it's devil-worship. Come to think of it, all the people I went trick-or-treating with were Christians.

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Heh that's what the white house thinks anyway. Bush will calibrate that Muslim holiday that went on this month with a fine dinner, honored Muslim guests, prayers lead by Bush in Alla's name, so forth and so on... but when it comes to Easter ...it's hunting for easter eggs -and for Christmas it's “Seasons Greetings” on all of the cards mailed out from them. Yeah, why not just worship Satan? Halloween year 'round, that's what the world really wants.

As for the previous quoting of 1st Cor 8, I think there is a difference between simply eating a meal that was intended to be a sacrifice to a god (which does not exist) compared to actually participation in the sacrifice to that god or some such action.

ITS JUST GONNA GO IN CIRCLES!

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
I think we've all heard enough, Opinions won't change, peole will just keep defending themselves!

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Oh and when you say "defending themselves" that's not the matter, it's about defending Halloween and what it represents. This still isn't a personal matter of attack. Halloween is an attack on Christianity, it is we who defend ourselves if you wish to put it in any such perspective.

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For future posts, "celebrate" is not the same as "calibrate".

Maybe we should step outside... and take this to the Girls thread.

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For future posts, "celebrate" is not the same as "calibrate".

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Haha, of all of things to bring up

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Realm Master:
[b]I think we've all heard enough, Opinions won't change, peole will just keep defending themselves!

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Oh and when you say "defending themselves" that's not the matter, it's about defending Halloween and what it represents. This still isn't a personal matter of attack. Halloween is an attack on Christianity, it is we who defend ourselves if you wish to put it in any such perspective.

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DANG IT THATS WHAT I MEANT!

Opinoins arn't going to change on a forum very easily, and Defending their views only Haloween, I meant that! Thats what I meant!

Please... Stop arguing everyone...

DANG IT!! LOCK THIS THREAD!

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
DANG IT THATS WHAT I MEANT!

Opinoins arn't going to change on a forum very easily, and Defending their views only Haloween, I meant that! Thats what I meant!

Please... Stop arguing everyone...

DANG IT!! LOCK THIS THREAD!

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NEW AVATAR.

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