(BTW: Bible Dave HAS BEEN APPROVED BY SF.NET!!)

Here's some info:
Project Descriptive Name: Bible Dave
Project Unix Name: bibledave
CVS Server: cvs.sourceforge.net (/cvsroot/bibledave)
Web Server: bibledave.sourceforge.net

Now, I'd highly suggest you get a SF.net login and use it! Post here and I can add you to the project memeber list. Unfotunately some of you will be disapointed that there is no SVN, but CVS is better than we have now so I'd suggest we use it.

Some of you may be looking at this project and wondering what you can do. I'll tell you what we need (As we need an update):
Web Designers
Graphics People
Programmers
Thinkers
Level Makers
People who can write up blurbs about the game in the "news" section

The advantage of being on SF.net is that we can get a whole lot of ppl closer to downloading it than my poor site (I have 34 acceses half of them mine since i got the site in the end of August last year).
Now please excuse me as I have some configuration to do

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited January 23, 2006).]

CVS will do just fine. So can you give me rights to write to the repository? My SF.net name is CJari.

For all those who need CVS client: I recommend tortoise CVS.

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Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2

Cheers!

Edit: To all developers: please join the discussion at our forums in SF net.

[This message has been edited by jari (edited January 24, 2006).]

oh, and BTW, what is CVS? if i was gonna do website design, would i need to know it?
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Originally posted by buddboy:

oh, and BTW, what is CVS? if i was gonna do website design, would i need to know it?

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It's version control system but you don't need to know anything about it.

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[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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... well, yeah, if I make the cut ill be a thinker, not good for anything esle... cep't level makers and Blurb dude.

remember, i named him! lol.

=p...

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Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right.
The kingdom of hevan bleongs to them.-Matthew 5:10

PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE!

Here's all the comments!

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EDIT: By the way, here's a good background alternative (taken right from CPUfreak's Dave homepage):

http://www.jqsoftware.com/images/dave/bg.png

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Originally posted by buddboy:
i can help with the web design... i don't have a SF account yet but if i need one i guess i can get one... i hope to be of help! i love website design.... lol!! it's one of my favorite things to do, that and playing RTS games and programming... i'll start working on that 'shnazzy' website... lol!!

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Great, I appreciate it. SF sign up is quick and easy so send me your login when you sign up.

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Originally posted by buddboy:
so, if i did just the prototype of the index, where would i upload it to? i guess i would go to ftp://bibledave.sourceforge.net right?

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EDIT: you need to use ssh to go to /home/b/bi/bibledave/htdocs/ and upload web pages there.

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Originally posted by lava:
Buddboy, could you change the background please? It's a little hard to read, thanks

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I agree, to many daves there, man! But I'd suggest you put a pic or two of dave somewhere in there.

Also, for the news, I'd suggest you link to:
http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=158058
(or put it in a special little frame of its own)

And for the download link:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/bibledave

Two more things, be sure to include these somewhere on the front page:

<a href="http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=158058"><img src="http://images.sourceforge.net/images/project-support.jpg" width="88" height="32" border="0" alt="Support This Project" /> </a>

and put this image somewhere too:
http://sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?group_id=52457&type=3 and link it to http://sourceforge.net

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
thinker thinker i'm applying for a thinker!

... well, yeah, if I make the cut ill be a thinker, not good for anything esle... cep't level makers and Blurb dude.

remember, i named him! lol.

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Fine, you are important to the project... as u sed. U named him!
And you are pretty good at writing blurbs too, so tell me when u've got a sf.net login and you can write here:
http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=158058

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oh, and i'm confused... where do i put the files? i mean... do i... agh!! i'll just work on the site... until i figure it out, does anyone want to volunteer to put the files up? hmm, anyone? lol!

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P.S. thnx for letting me be web designer, i really enjoy this, wish i could have helped more with the actual game!

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What about

Bible Dave and the Scattered Truth truth=Bibles)

Bible Dave: King's messenger

Bible Dave and the search for Truth

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proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

proverbs 25:7
open rebuke is better than secret love.

www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia

www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs

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Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right.
The kingdom of hevan bleongs to them.-Matthew 5:10

PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE!

Here's all the comments!

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Originally posted by lava:
Bible Dave and the Scattered Truth truth=Bibles)

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Wow ure good. I really like that one.
The reason im saying this is that Faith of the Jungle sounds like the jungle has faith, when it's really Dave who has it.

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Originally posted by buddboy:
oh, and can someone post something to say on the 'about' page? and what does anyone think of a guestbook?

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Personally I don't like guest books. If pple really want to say something they'll use the SF.net forums, email me or post here on CCN.

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i'll have to work on it and use CGI-Scripts unless someone can think of a different way to do it... i'll get working on that and adding what you said CPU... but first, can someone explain to me where i upload or whatever to, and how? just wondering, don't want to do too much work before it's really permanent... lol!!

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It looks good!

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P.S. thnx for letting me be web designer, i really enjoy this, wish i could have helped more with the actual game!

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited January 24, 2006).]

* RSS (http://sourceforge.net/export/rss2_project.php?group_id=158058)
* Summary (http://sourceforge.net/projects/bibledave/)
* Stats (http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=158058&ugn=bibledave)
* Forums (http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=158058)
* Tracker (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=158058)
* Bugs (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=158058&atid=806307)
* Support Requests (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=158058&atid=806308)
* Patches (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=158058&atid=806309)
* Feature Requests (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=158058&atid=806310)
* Tasks (http://sourceforge.net/pm/?group_id=158058)
* Docs (http://sourceforge.net/docman/?group_id=158058)
* Screenshots (http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=158058)
* News (http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=158058)
* CVS (http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=158058)
* Files (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=158058)

So to sum it up:
Add the above to the main page,
Add the SF.net logo and link it to http://sourceforge.net
(There may be more)

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Date (UTC) Rank Total Pages 1 Downloads Project Web Hits Tracker opened (closed) Forum Posts
25 Jan 2006 * 3,158 63 1 22 1 (0) 0
24 Jan 2006 52,512 223 9 69 0 (0) 3

Rat's the formatting is off... oh whell.
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So I made 3 preset movement animations for the bat, a up-down cycle, a circular cycle, and a horizontal figure-8. They look pretty good in practice.

However, I didn't yet sync up to the main source tree, so all of my development was done off of the previous version of Bible Dave. It'll be really easy to sync up though -- I'll check it out now.

Anyways, here's a screenshot to wet your appetites:

I'll try and sync it into the main source tree soon. Cheers!

--clint

[This message has been edited by HanClinto (edited January 25, 2006).]

I love the fact that the bats aren't impeded by walls!

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Yeah, it was easier to do the bats that way, such that they're not on a collision group with the walls. You'll notice I did the monkeys and guavas that way too, and that I'm sortof avoiding the enemies that have to be terrain-aware. That'll be more of a challenge, and I'm sortof avoiding that for the time being.

The bats come with 3 pre-defined cycles as I said, but if you want a bat to do more creative things or with a difference cycle, it won't be hard to make custom level code to spawn bats with specific speeds and cycles and paths -- if people want bats to do other things, it just has to be defined in the level_start code of the individual level. I tried to make it a fairly flexible class.

Okay, I've merged all of my changes and they're now in the main source tree. I'm glad we're using CVS instead of SVN, because CVS goes through my firewall here, but SVN doesn't.

Have fun with the bats! When testing them last night, I modified my main.py to get me to start at level 2_1 instead of 1_1 -- you may want to do the same if you find yourself having to try again from the bats.

It is possible to get to everywhere on the level in 2_1 with the way I've got the bats set up -- some areas are just a little more challenging than others.

Cheers!

--clint

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
Thanks!

Yeah, it was easier to do the bats that way, such that they're not on a collision group with the walls. You'll notice I did the monkeys and guavas that way too, and that I'm sortof avoiding the enemies that have to be terrain-aware. That'll be more of a challenge, and I'm sortof avoiding that for the time being.

The bats come with 3 pre-defined cycles as I said, but if you want a bat to do more creative things or with a difference cycle, it won't be hard to make custom level code to spawn bats with specific speeds and cycles and paths -- if people want bats to do other things, it just has to be defined in the level_start code of the individual level. I tried to make it a fairly flexible class.....................
--clint

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Can u add that to the documentation on the sf.net page? (Link called "Docs")

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Buddboy: waiting for you to give me your sf.net login

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HanClinto to cjari on irc.freenode.net:
Jari: Are you up to speed with what we were hoping to do with "lives"? Where you don't have a counter that counts down on the number of lives you get, but rather there's a counter that increases on the number of tries you used. So when you hit a bat, it sends you to the beginning of that level again, and you have to try again. When you beat the game, the "high score" table doesn't show scores, it shows how many Bibles were collected and how many tries it took.

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I like that idea!

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Can u add that to the documentation on the sf.net page? (Link called "Docs")

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Shore thing. I'll try to remember to do that later on this evening.

--clint

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Originally posted by firemaker103:
Can anywone make a binary for me?

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Patience... sir, patience. I'll work on one today (the one with the monkeys not the one with the monkeys and bats) and post ASAP.

I'm recruiting a packager from sf.net who will make "binaries" for windows and Mac.

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It would be really nice if we could just make it in a batch file (like the clean.bat) to package Windows binaries. I haven't used py2exe yet -- do you think it would be possible to make it automated?

--clint

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
Did someone respond to your "help wanted" post?

It would be really nice if we could just make it in a batch file (like the clean.bat) to package Windows binaries. I haven't used py2exe yet -- do you think it would be possible to make it automated?

--clint

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Not yet. yes it's quite possible. First tho we need to change all font in the game from None to "fontstyle.ttf" so that py2exe won't complain when you run the "binary". And I posted on the help wanted because we don't have a mac osx pacager yet.

firemaker103: The windows "binary" is coming out but not till tomorrow. I can't access the sf.net upload yet.

buddboy: you'll need an sftp client to log in under your username and pass to: shell.sf.net then place all the web stuff you created in the folder /home/groups/b/bi/bibledave/htdocs.

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited January 25, 2006).]

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Okay, well a preliminary sound setup is now in Bible Dave. Cool! I checked it into CVS -- should help with getting it to feel more like a real game.

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Well done!
The sounds fit quite well in the jungle theme, they are bit "spooky" but not so that we couldn't use them.

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It would be nice if someone composed music and sounds for the game in such a way so that they all flowed together with a common theme and style (such as with the same few instruments). I was thinking about doing that last night, but spent the time beating my head against the keyboard trying to learn Code Access Security for Mite.

Cheers!

--clint

BTW: Whenever we get around to making an intro for the game, I really want to have a little Indiana Jones style map where the red line extends to show where the flights are going and such -- I think that would be cool.

Anyone: I'm using cervisia for the cvs... but have no idea how to use it or how cvs works.

Realm Master, my news reporter: the accound 3rdKnight still doesn't exist. And i doubt you are realmmaster who has the name:
User ID: 563472
Login Name: realmmaster
Publicly Displayed Name: Nick Fowler
Email Address: realmmaster at users.sourceforge.net
Site Member Since: 2002-06-14 20:50

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited January 26, 2006).]

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Jari: How can I access upload.sf.net? when I use sftp and type my "password" it get a permission denied, yet I'm a Release Technician!

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Use anonymous login, then you don't need to type passwords or anything. And remember to read the step by step instructions in the files page of sf.net.

God bless.

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Originally posted by HanClinto:

BTW: Whenever we get around to making an intro for the game, I really want to have a little Indiana Jones style map where the red line extends to show where the flights are going and such -- I think that would be cool.

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Agreed, good idea!

I just committed my todays work to CVS, there's new features that help in testing.

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[This message has been edited by jari (edited January 26, 2006).]

As a status update to y'all (mainly Jari and CPU), I have a few main things I'm working on at the moment.

1) Enemies -- Two enemies is great, but we still need more. I'll be adding more baddies, such as a spider, snake (like for vines maybe), and maybe a poisonous jumping toad. The main reason why I'm focusing on this so much is to help the level creators make interesting levels that will be more for the final version of the game.

2) Sprites and animation -- I need to add code to animate the lava for the caves (we should really start using the new cave tileset -- I'll check that in later today), and I want to add things like particle effects (so that he can kick up little dust clouds when he walks and leaves when he climbs the vines, as well as eyes that randomly blink in the background of the maps and such).

3) Sounds -- I got a decent framework for this stuff in yesterday, but there's still more to be done as far as recording music and sound and stuff. I went through everything that Fingolfin did, and will be using some of it (such as the leaves rustling and the thud sound -- both of those are great). I'm not the greatest musician here on the boards, but I'll pick up this task if noone else does (anyone?).

So that's mainly what I'm working on -- what are you up to, Jari? I noticed you did some great stuff with the level editor (it runs for me now, and it works really well!), but there's still a fair bit of stuff that needs to be done on it (such as starting a new level when you edit it). I'm curious to know what direction you're heading, so that I can know what to expect.

CPU (and others who are actively working on the project) -- what are your guy's tasks? Is there anything that you need from Jari or Vincent or HeardTheWord or I so that you can push forward on your stuff? I understand that the level editor and the enemies are priorities for the level creators.

One word about the level creation tools -- they really are at a pretty decent level right now and the enemies are fairly challenging. Enough so that some very good levels could be made, even as the game stands right now. However, I still want to know what you guys feel is lacking so that us builders can equip you better.

Realm, do you have everything you need to start making levels? The new level editor is much improved over the old one.

Thanks!

--clint

Edit: Congrats on 500 posts, Jari!

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So that's mainly what I'm working on -- what are you up to, Jari? I noticed you did some great stuff with the level editor (it runs for me now, and it works really well!), but there's still a fair bit of stuff that needs to be done on it (such as starting a new level when you edit it). I'm curious to know what direction you're heading, so that I can know what to expect.

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What excatly you would like to see in the "new level" option? Please let me know. (I just fixed one bug regarding that.)

The idea is to make it so that when you create a new level the "test level" script is loaded as the level script instead of the current one (what ever that might be). The not so nice thing at the moment is that level maker has to type the level file name (tga) and tileset file name every time he/she want's load the level he is working on, until the level has a python script . Because once the level is loaded using the python script you can jump to that level by pressing F6 (just added this feature) and then enabling the editor by F11.

I hope this makes sense and I hope you see why it is the way it is now? I am all open for suggestions if you think it is not good enough at the way it is now.

And btw I think you are going to the right direction in what you said Clint, just keep up the good work! For me I'll need a break right now and continue again tomorrow. Learning python and pgu (those GUIs) has been exhausting.

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
CPU (and others who are actively working on the project) -- what are your guy's tasks? Is there anything that you need from Jari or Vincent or HeardTheWord or I so that you can push forward on your stuff? I understand that the level editor and the enemies are priorities for the level creators.

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buddboy is still working on the web site.
I'm going to be working on the menu's today, and will try to figure out this cvs repository downloading stuff. I'm going to update my map pack to include bibles and enemies, and look for sounds (like bat sounds and monkey sounds).

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One word about the level creation tools -- they really are at a pretty decent level right now and the enemies are fairly challenging. Enough so that some very good levels could be made, even as the game stands right now. However, I still want to know what you guys feel is lacking so that us builders can equip you better.

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Well, we could really use a running feature (should be easy to implement), random annimal sounds (like bats, monkeys and snakes when we get those sounds). We could get rid of the demo function and include bibles in most levels, we also need to get rid of the "press any key" function during the storyline and try to keep that from pausing the game the font needs to be smaller and we need to use a font file instead of None.

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Realm, do you have everything you need to start making levels? The new level editor is much improved over the old one.

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We now have a windows "binary"! Look for it here (or go to the showcase): https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=158058

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[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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Originally posted by buddboy:
k... where do i get an sftp client?

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Here's a nice windows one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited January 26, 2006).]

Keep an eye out for Bible Dave 0.6.2 which has more enemies and some sound fx.

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--D-SIPL

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"One World. One Web. One Program." -Microsoft promotional advertisement
"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer!" -Adolf Hitler

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You guys have done a real good job with Bible Dave!

--D-SIPL

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Thanks!

For those of you who can't get the bible dave "Binaries to work" read this:
https://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=158058

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Download BD

There's two enemies and sounds in this one.

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[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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Originally posted by buddboy:
well, i got the SFTP client and my username... now what?

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What is your username? Give it to me, please so that you can do this:
connect to shell.sf.net, enter your username and password, go to /home/b/bi/bibledave/htdocs and upload your stuff.

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Originally posted by jari:
Version 0.6.3 is out!

Download BD

There's two enemies and sounds in this one.

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What is the difference from 0.6.2? Because 0.6.2 had sounds and two enemies.

Hey guys! The packager for bible dave said he'd make a nice installer for it! However, the binaries will be a couple days behind the source releases.

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
What is the difference from 0.6.2? Because 0.6.2 had sounds and two enemies.

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Sorry i forgot but there are bug fixes (in editor mostly) and you can now climp down from tree branch where there is vine.

The most remarkable change is the new level file .lev but this is of course important only for the map makers.

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I spent a few days sketching a few different versions on paper, and I finally translated it to pixel art.

Here's the final version that will go in the game:

I don't have the coding done for it yet, but the time-consuming part of the graphics is there.

I'll letcha'll know when it's all coded up and in CVS.

Cheers!

In Christ,
clint

I could use some artists! I'd like you to remake the Dave. Here's the list of images we currently have. If you can make Dave less flat and make the same ammount of images as below that would be nice! You don't have to have a sf.net account either. You get the list of images and see them here:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bibledave/dave/images/

look for any images that say 'dave' or 'monkey' edit them and show them to us! You'll get a nice pic beside your name in the credits as a developer.

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@Clint: Have you been reading the forums in SF.net? Just making sure you know we have discussion going on there as well. (it's private forum for the devs)

oh, i'm trying to connect.... having problems... i don't get what i'm supposed to do... enter in shell.sf.net in the box, my password and login, and then hit connect? it's not working...
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is that forum only for the game developers, or am i allowed too?

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oh, i'm trying to connect.... having problems... i don't get what i'm supposed to do... enter in shell.sf.net in the box, my password and login, and then hit connect? it's not working...

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You're signing in as mitchelldude to shell.sf.net and its not working?
Try a different client: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=114729 or http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=85589

BTW: what errors do you get?

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Originally posted by buddboy:
is that forum only for the game developers, or am i allowed too?

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It's for all team members (developers), which includes you if you are part of the SF.net team.

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Originally posted by buddboy:
well, i'll try again... i'll tell you the error, but first can i get specific instructions? like, what exactly do i do? enter in shell.sf.net? and then what?

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Go here for instructions: https://sourceforge.net/docs/E07

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Bible Dave saves by system user. Not by game user. If the user logs in to the computer as frank, he plays a different game than the system user Jenny.
My bug free (I'm 95% sure) results are in the cvs.

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Originally posted by lava:
That looks great for us, because not only is the game's standards acceptable to the Christian community but also the secular, which is who we are trying to reach.

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Yup!

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Originally posted by buddboy:
yah, that's why i said awesome!! lol!! one thing i noticed, the activity number or whatever, (the second number) is higher on BD than the top one and i think one of the other ones... it's just that first number that's higher... is Bible Dave near the top of any of the other lists?

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For some reason the Activity Ranking is less and the Activity Pertentile is more. May be aren't doing little adjustments here an there which causes us to be higher.

Would anyone like to remake dave and/or the monkeys? See posts above for more info or ask me.

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P.S. maybe we could set it up so i do the html, somebody else can put it into a notepad thing and just save it and upload... until i figure it out i mean...

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Originally posted by buddboy:
lol yah... if i can get my dad to let me get GIMP back i will try to redo the monkeys and/or Dave... i can't do anything until then really... and i can't upload to the site right now even if i wasn't having problems with the SFTP thing because i'm not on the right pc... i think that i'm just doing something wrong, (like my dad calls it, 'operator error' lol) and that i haven't figured it out yet... those directions on SF didn't help at all... lol... i'll try to figure it out, maybe get my friend to help me... lol!! i'll try to do those monkeys and dave tho!!

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P.S. maybe we could set it up so i do the html, somebody else can put it into a notepad thing and just save it and upload... until i figure it out i mean...

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Ok if need be, i'll upload it for you. I may run it through some web page refiners (other ppl) to remove any typos and stuff.

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Originally posted by jari:
How about setting up some website collaboration system which allows easy page modification/customizing via web browser? There's pretty nice free solutions, just if I could remember their names...

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Content management systems? (Joomla, Geeklog, Mambo [see joomla], etc?)
We may have trouble getting anything that requires installation on the sf.net site.

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Content management systems? (Joomla, Geeklog, Mambo [see joomla], etc?)
We may have trouble getting anything that requires installation on the sf.net site.

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Alright, I thought we had decent access to the server.

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I also sped up the way the HUD displays text, and added sounds to make it not so tedious -- I think it adds a lot to the experience, but ymmv, so feedback is appreciated as far as what we should do with the scrolling text in the HUD.

All of the code is in CVS, but for those of you who haven't gone through the task of setting up to get the latest versions, here's a taste of the new and challenging level I've been working on:

Have fun!

In Christ,
clint

P.S. In case you're wondering, it *is* possible to get through the bats -- I made myself do it just to make sure that it was possible. Regardless, I think the lava path is easier, but the bat path is more challenging and fun.

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[This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited February 02, 2006).]

If you're the type who wants a more stable Alpha version, check here or on IRC once in a couple days for an update.

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Originally posted by buddboy:
cool... i didn't know you had to install python to play it lol... i'll try that tho... funny thing is i've only played one of the first ones lol... the one without any enemies lol...

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Woot! We may have solved some problems. So you can download the binaries soon (and not need to download the source and python). We may have an update tomorrow.

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Originally posted by buddboy:
binaries? would that be a .exe file?

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I have been thinking about music for the game. My major road block has been deciding what style of music would be most fitting for the game. Perhaps I will get together a few samples and let you all give feedback on what you like best. Any preference in the filetype (mp3, ogg, wav, etc...)?

At this point it looks like I could be more help in the sound department since Clint is doing an excellent job with the code. Very cool to see this on a top 10 list!!

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Originally posted by HeardTheWord:
Any preference in the filetype (mp3, ogg, wav, etc...)?

At this point it looks like I could be more help in the sound department since Clint is doing an excellent job with the code. Very cool to see this on a top 10 list!!

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ogg! or wav. We don't want the RIAA after us for patent infringment x12

No, seriously. We don't want Linux users not being able to play the game because of mp3 patent infringment in the USA and other places.

wav is universal ogg may need special libraries... so wav file please.

Where did you find Bible Dave on a top 10 list? Nice to see you're back with us.

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Matt: Glad to hear you liked it! Jari's been doing amazing stuff with the code -- he's really been taking the lead on a lot of this stuff.

As far as music, PyGame doesn't need special libraries to play .ogg -- I believe it supports .ogg natively. I doubt we want our music stored in wav, as that would make for a larger-than-necessary download. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think .ogg is the best.

I haven't been sure about music either, so I've sortof been avoiding that.

If you enjoy making levels, that's going to be the next large time-consuming part. I made a writeup on the Sourceforge tracker page of the first two chapters and a sample vision of how the levels would progress and some ideas for content in each of the levels.

Music is good too though, so if you would rather do that, by all means go ahead. Jeremy Southard was looking into doing some music for us, but I'm not sure if he'll have time for a while as things have picked up at church (being a PK and a youth director and a freelance web designer can be time-consuming stuff).

Thanks!

In Christ,
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BTW, i was looking at the HTML... lol you definitely have a different coding style than me!! you have commands i never use, lol... all kinds of stuff lol...each to his own tho lol!!

and some of this stuff is confusing to me... i think you are using a different DTD than i normally use...
here's my source for that page i showed you guys lol...

<html> <head> <BODY BACKGROUND="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f272/mitchelldude/BD_bg1.png" TEXT="F5FFFA" LINK="F5FFFA" VLINK="B22222" ALINK="B22222" > <TITLE>Bible Dave</Title> <center> <H1>Bible Dave</H1> <p> <img src="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f272/mitchelldude/dave.png" alt="Image hosting by Photobucket"> <p> <b>Welcome to the Bible Dave Website. Go <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/bibledave">here</a><br> to download our latest and greatest version of Bible Dave. Go <a href="http://makeyourhero.com/CCNprojects/about.html">here</a><br> to read about Bible Dave. Check below for some more links and updates!! <HR WIDTH="20%"><br> <H2>Navigation</H2> <a href="scrnshots.html">Screenshots</a><p> <a href="guestbook.html">Guestbook</a><br> <HR WIDTH="22%"><br> <H2>Updates</H2> ---------------- January 24, 2006 Bible Dave version 0.6.1 is now officially out!! ---------------- </b> </head> </html>

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lol looks good... i'll be sure to do that!!

BTW, i was looking at the HTML... lol you definitely have a different coding style than me!! you have commands i never use, lol... all kinds of stuff lol...each to his own tho lol!!

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That was made with NVU

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I was also wondering, what should be the next tileset? Do we need additions to existing ones? Let me know!

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Originally posted by vincent:

I was also wondering, what should be the next tileset? Do we need additions to existing ones? Let me know!

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We could use a temple tileset, though the common tileset works alright too. But anyway here's our discussion thread regarding tilesets: https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1429844&forum_id=532132

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Meanwhile... I'm going to think of something on SF.net that you can edit. Glad you posted on the forums.

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huh? what? *sniff sniff* you mean... you mean... you mean you don't like me?

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Yes, I like you. But somone had a better design than my old one. Is there anything you think ought to be changed? If so, go ahead and work on it.

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Originally posted by buddboy:
what do you mean, 'your old one'... what happened to mine? plus, i already changed stuff on yours... i just have to get it to you... here's the link lol!!
My Revised Index

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That link doesn't work.

I don't know why we couldn't include aspects that we like of all 3. (Do you know how much of my code in BD was thrown out or edited.... lots. aka refinement.).

Personally, I think the CCN community should decide for the design elements of the web site (not the text).
What do you think?

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I used a profiler yesterday and was surprised to find that it was not the Bible Dave code that was slow but the PGU code. Every blit to the screen costs a significant amount of cpu and the scrolling screen makes it even worse. So here is my suggestion, we integrate the latest version of PGU into Bible Dave and tweak the tilevid code.

Somewhere I have an sf account but I would have to find it. If you are interested in this approach let me know. I think we could squeeze quite a bit of speed by optimizing PGU for our needs.

By the way, I love the jungle music and sound effects!

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Originally posted by firemaker103:
I don't know if this has been noted before, but whenever you fall into the lava NOT in testing mode, the game exists.
Is it supposed to be that way?

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Originally posted by HeardTheWord:
I used a profiler yesterday and was surprised to find that it was not the Bible Dave code that was slow but the PGU code. Every blit to the screen costs a significant amount of cpu and the scrolling screen makes it even worse. So here is my suggestion, we integrate the latest version of PGU into Bible Dave and tweak the tilevid code.

Somewhere I have an sf account but I would have to find it. If you are interested in this approach let me know. I think we could squeeze quite a bit of speed by optimizing PGU for our needs.

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We can really use you! It lags on my machine everytime something starts in the background. (Don't run firefox, OOo and a password cracker and play BD or you'll freeze. I learned that the hard way). BD uses 72Megs of ram which is too much, i think.

I'd love it if you'd help us some more. Just PM me with your login once you find it.

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
HeardTheWord:
I'm on a relatively fast machine, and I notice it bogging down at times as well. I'm definitely interested in that approach!

--clint

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It seems that we agree on this?
The latest pgu is 0.10 and BD uses 0.4. Yes... definitely need to upgrade. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=145281&package_id=159778&release_id=392885

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It seems that we agree on this?
The latest pgu is 0.10 and BD uses 0.4. Yes... definitely need to upgrade.

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As long as there's a relatively clean upgrade on a local sandbox, I say we go for it. The hardest part will be how much it looks like it's going to break with the level editor -- I know Jari made a lot of improvements to the level editor, but that's one of the most-changed things in PGU 0.10 (which could be a good thing, it just means it sets a lot of Jari and Matt's work back a bit).

I say we try it!

--clint

My sourceforge login is mtuttle.

One of us will add you to the project on there, and you can start using the CVS repository on there.

Thanks, Matt! Glad to see you back in the saddle somewhat. How is everything? You were really busy there for a while.

--clint

Anyway, I found one MAJOR tweak for Windows users. I'm not sure about other operating systems but this vastly improves the framerate in Windows. Change the window initialization from 16 bits to 32 bits in menu.py on line 21. This makes a huge difference in the way the video memory is written!

Here is my explanation:
Most people think that by limiting the number of bits they send to their video card will provide faster speeds. However most video cards now address memory in 32 bits instead of 16 bits. This means that in order to display 16 bits the video card must convert the bits received in order to display them correctly. This is a very slow process especially when drawing directly to the video buffer as pygame does. There is more to it but that is a real general overview.

A few other things I found.
- The background layer is creating a duplicate TileVid class and should be integrated directly into PGU
- We aren't utilizing the update function for the TileVid class. This updates a small section of the screen instead of the whole window unless a total refresh is needed.

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Originally posted by HeardTheWord:
- We aren't utilizing the update function for the TileVid class. This updates a small section of the screen instead of the whole window unless a total refresh is needed.

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Woa! I thought we were using that! Ouch, no wonder BD is slow....
HTW, you have been added to the project.

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HTW: when the screen bit setting is set to 32, everything in BD is super fast. (ie: fast forwarded). This may need some configuration of lots of motion aspects of the game.

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Interesting. I wonder what our framerate was, and what it is now. All of the physics and motion and whatnot should be based off of a constant framerate, perhaps we just weren't ever hitting that before.

--clint

I'll add some new feature requests in SF regarding all of this.

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Use:

Clock.get_fps compute the clock framerate Clock.get_fps(): return float Compute your game's framerate (in frames per second). It is computed by averaging the last few calls to Clock.tick - update the clock.

Unfortunately. I can't get this to work.

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; Main loop start Start = MilliSecs() ;milliseconds since computer was turned on... ; Your main loop code goes here Print "Current FPS: " + CurFPS# ; Your main loop code goes here CurFPS# = 1000.0 / (MilliSecs() - Start) ;last command before the 'wend' or 'while' or 'until' or whatever pythin uses to singal the end of the loop ; Main loop end

Eh?

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Woah! I thought we were using that! Ouch, no wonder BD is slow....
HTW, you have been added to the project.

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At the moment you can't use the update function because the background will overlay everything (try it). That is why I said we should improve the way the background is generated. Another thing that came to mind is that we aren't using the bottom fourth of the screen but PGU is still drawing there every frame. By setting a rect to draw in we might be able to squeeze just that much more out of the game. You could, in theory, add several more layers with that boost in speed.

Clint, we should be syncing animation to time instead of frames. That way the game plays at approximately the same speed on every computer. I'm not sure how much work it would take to change the code so it is entirely up to you guys how you want this done.

Hopefully I am not stepping on anyone's toes by making these suggestions. I tend to get excited and overstep my bounds.

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:

Clock.get_fps()

Unfortunately. I can't get this to work.

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OK the above code doesn't work, its not like that. It's

print pygame.time.Clock()

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Originally posted by firemaker103:
So, your wondering how to do FPS in python? And they have a built-in function for that? If you can't get that working(that's what I think your post is about ), try to edit this code to fit python

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Yes, they have a built in function for that. My post had outdated info. Pygame 1.7 doesn't use a lot of those commands anymore.

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Originally posted by HeardTheWord:
Clint, we should be syncing animation to time instead of frames. That way the game plays at approximately the same speed on every computer. I'm not sure how much work it would take to change the code so it is entirely up to you guys how you want this done.

Hopefully I am not stepping on anyone's toes by making these suggestions. I tend to get excited and overstep my bounds.

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No, you're definitely not stepping on toes -- this is good.

Supposedly, the new PGU has improved means for loading animations, I wonder how that works, and if we could take advantage of that.

It shouldn't be hard to get the animation code to work off of time instead of frames if we want to go that route.

--clint

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I think I can add you to the project.

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Thanks!

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
Just a side note, I was able to demo Bible Dave some at the CGDC -- it was really neat to see people playing it. If I had been more prepared, I could have made flyers for Bible Dave, but as-such, I just told a lot of people about it. I'm glad that I was able to demo the game some there.

--clint

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That's great Han! Glad to hear about this stuff.

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By the way, I've started up work again on the tileset I mentioned at the conference, Clint. I could let you use some tiles if Bible Dave can use 32x32 8 bit tiles. Is BD still under development?
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By the way, I've started up work again on the tileset I mentioned at the conference, Clint. I could let you use some tiles if Bible Dave can use 32x32 8 bit tiles. Is BD still under development?

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Hey great! Yes BD sure is under development even we as developers seem all to be busy we do make progress. And thank Jesus for all the progress.
The tile file should be a ?x320 png with transparent color, notice how width of the bitmap can be anything but height must be 320.

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Yeah, we would definitely be interested in the tileset! I remember you telling me about it at the conference. Yes, BD uses tiles that are 32x32, and as Jari already said, we combine them 10 wide by however-many high. I look forward to seeing more of your work, Shawn!

In Christ,
clint

This is what I've got so far. The link has some pictures of what the set looks like in Jazz Jackrabbit 2. That zip file on the page contains the tileset .

http://purrhead.tripod.com/third_haven/the_set.html

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In Christ,
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We likely don't need that whole tileset -- there is plenty in there that we won't need. I'm sure we can just take the things that we do want and leave the rest out.

It would be nice to put a scroll bar on our map editor, but it's probably not necessary.

Cheers!

--clint

I forgot to give you feedback on the tileset -- I *really* like it! The rocks and the grass are fantastic -- they're very well done. I also really like the Toca statues with the ivy on them -- those are so cool. I really like your characters.

Great work! Is the JJ2 mod team happy with them?

Cheers!

--clint

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1 Corinthians 15:58 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be strong and steady, always enthusiastic about the Lord’s work, for you know that nothing you do for the Lord is ever useless. (NLT)

Tired of loosing your work for all eternity? Jesus Saves! You should too :P (liek every 1 1/2 seconds) This is a message from teh save the data foundation, and from (CTRL + S): Because da data is y00r future. Maybe.

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Originally posted by Ashton_JX:
About the tileset, I can make a custom verion using only the tiles you need. I think that would be the best way to go. I can put my focus on the most important tiles first .

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Thank you Ashton, I think that would great! But I don't know what tiles we need so I'll let some one else to say a word about that.

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1 Corinthians 15:58 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be strong and steady, always enthusiastic about the Lord’s work, for you know that nothing you do for the Lord is ever useless. (NLT)

Tired of loosing your work for all eternity? Jesus Saves! You should too :P (liek every 1 1/2 seconds) This is a message from teh save the data foundation, and from (CTRL + S): Because da data is y00r future. Maybe.

I'm not sure what tiles we would want drawn, though I think a mountain-themed set would be very appropriate for our next set of levels (Jari has primarily been working on this). Jari/CPU -- we don't have an artist currently working on mountain tiles do we?

--clint

Jari.

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Good job people!

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I just downloaded the Bible Dave game and source yesterday, not bad at all. I have been playing around with it a bit, i've nearly implemented a new HUD design, i generally like the look and feel... very retro

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A new HUD design? Ok, do you mean that you implemented it in the code or did you make a design? (please excuse my lack of understanding )

Thanks for cheers, all glory to God!

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A new HUD design? Ok, do you mean that you implemented it in the code or did you make a design? (please excuse my lack of understanding )

Thanks for cheers, all glory to God!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jari:
[b] A new HUD design? Ok, do you mean that you implemented it in the code or did you make a design? (please excuse my lack of understanding )

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Oh sounds great but I hope you have discussed with HanClinto about this because the HUD has been updated since version 0.6.4.

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I look forward to seeing what you've done -- I don't think any of the changes I've made to the HUD were that drastic, and shouldn't be too hard to merge with whatever you've done. Did you download the source from CVS or from the last release?

Regardless, I'm very interested in seeing code and screenshots of your changes at some point.

Cheers!

--clint

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Jari/CPU -- we don't have an artist currently working on mountain tiles do we?

--clint

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No we do not have anyone working on a mountain tileset.

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[edit] here it is: Mountain Tileset

*edit2*
i made another one with some more stuff: Addons

what do you guys think?

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
Cool, Richard!

I look forward to seeing what you've done -- I don't think any of the changes I've made to the HUD were that drastic, and shouldn't be too hard to merge with whatever you've done. Did you download the source from CVS or from the last release?

Regardless, I'm very interested in seeing code and screenshots of your changes at some point.

Cheers!

--clint

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Sorry i didn't realise it had been changed already. I'll download the latest from the cvs.

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It's really a pretty simple code base (you seem to have picked it up quickly enough!) -- I think only once or twice have I had to do a difficult merge of changes between people on the project, and that was pretty much before we were using Sourceforge's CVS. You can merge your changes or send them to me and I can merge -- it really doesn't matter to me.

Thanks for playing around with this!

--clint

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Originally posted by buddboy:
what do you guys think of my mountain tileset?

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Looks like a good start! But if you want to make tileset for Bible Dave that's going to need lot of work... I hope I'm not discouraging you.
Have you take a look in the existing BD tileset's buddboy?

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
It's really a pretty simple code base (you seem to have picked it up quickly enough!) -- I think only once or twice have I had to do a difficult merge of changes between people on the project, and that was pretty much before we were using Sourceforge's CVS. You can merge your changes or send them to me and I can merge -- it really doesn't matter to me.

Thanks for playing around with this!

--clint

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The code was pretty self explanotary (a little slim on comments ). I've done loads of work with Pygame at Uni so thought it would be fun to play around with the code, seeing as I haven't touched it for a long time.

Right well i'll finish it up and send it over to you

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Hey that game was heaps fun!!! You guys are doing an amazing job! Congrats! I'm not sure how far the game goes but I got into the aztec temple thingo wiht rolling stones and everything I went to a certain point I'd die all the time, couldn't get any further...Is that normal?

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You mean there was no change? Sometimes you need to backup a little bit before you can go forward again...

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You mean there was no change? Sometimes you need to backup a little bit before you can go forward again...

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I'm not sure, I was in the first section of the temple, there was a bible up top and an exit to the right, as I passed through the exit it would return to the main menu, I'd click continue and I'd be at the beginning of the first area again. What do you mean I need to back up a little bit?

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Ah I see now, that's a bug actually, the game ended when it was not supposed to do that just yet. I first thought that you couldn't get pass the last boulder trap.

If you want to keep playing after that level you need to modify the level script. Open gamelevel5_2.py which is in levels folder and change the code from A to B (look in the bottom of the file):

Change: def OnExit(self): self.nextState = base.GAMEOVER #self.gotoNextLevel() To: def OnExit(self): self.gotoNextLevel()

Now the game continues when you exit the level. It also looks like levels level5_3 and level5_4 need this same fix if you want to continue after them. This bug is because we (I) changed the level orders - but now it's fixed in the CVS, thanks to you David!

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I'd really like to see this game when it's completed. Seems very promising. It's too bad it isn't in a "cell phone friendly" format such as a java applet. You might have been able to turn a profit

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Hi, Prodigal! Welcome to CCN!

Thanks for the kind words regarding Bible Dave -- that's very encouraging.

Very glad to see you here. We hope you can feel at home here and enjoy the forums -- it centers largely around Christian video game development but, as I'm sure you see, conversation doesn't have to be limited to that.

Cheers!

--clint

The going is a little slow, but that's the way any project is -- it ebbs and flows. Some weeks we see a lot of progress, some weeks it's a little dry, but thankfully it's been pretty consistent over the past year and we've made quite a bit of progress on the project. The major hurdles are out of the way -- the whole engine is built, several whole level sets have been created, we have a decent assortment of enemies that provide challenge in the game, music, sound, art, etc. We have all the resources now -- pretty much all that's left is to make more levels so that there is enough content to keep people interested for a while, and we'll have a 1.0 release. Jari has even started work on translating the game into Finnish and getting the tools together so that other people can translate the game as well.

Cheers!

--clint

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Bible Dave rocks! Although, why isn't it called Bible Clint?

Are there any more levels after 4? The version of the game I have atm only has 4. Also what is the purpose in collecting bibles?

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Are there any more levels after 4? The version of the game I have atm only has 4. Also what is the purpose in collecting bibles?

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Yes there are, did you see my post above?

Dave cant just leave the Bible's lying out in the jungle.

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Yeah, this place seems pretty cool.
It seems like you have a few people working on Bible Dave, but the going is still a bit slow?

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The going is going a little slow... but fairly steady.

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Bible Dave rocks! Although, why isn't it called Bible Clint?

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RealMaster named him, ask him

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Are there any more levels after 4? The version of the game I have atm only has 4. Also what is the purpose in collecting bibles?

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The game is supposed to have 6 levels. Levels 5 and 6 do not have complete tilesets yet.

I'm hoping we can include a background of how Dave got in the Jungle and why he has to pick up bibles. *adds this idea to the TODO list, Han and Jari*

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Yes there are, did you see my post above?

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Please test it on your computer and post feedback here. You can download it from http://jqsoftware.com/bibledave_v0.6.6.zip

Note: You must delete C:\Documents and Settings\<user>\.bibledave or else the game will crash.

Note2: There is no installer yet. Just unzip anywhere and run

Note3: You don't need Python or Pygame to run this binary it is 100% standalone

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I got stuck here, any ideas what I need to do? Those bees really freaked me out.

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It worked! Was pretty sweet I played on normal and got stuck :P It was sooo hard in some places, I hated that giant water fall area.

I got stuck here, any ideas what I need to do? Those bees really freaked me out.

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Hmm. It seems like there's a bug. I'll see what I can do to fix it.

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This is a really addicting game... good work! I tried out version 0.6.4 a while ago and like the progress you guys made.

That waterfall stage is reaaaaaaally tough

Great Work!

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This is a really addicting game... good work!

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That waterfall stage is reaaaaaaally tough

Great Work!

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What level is that? The first temple one? What makes it tough? I'm interested in seeing what made it hard for you.

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I'm playing on Normal, and two things make the level tough for me:
1) I end up losing all my health because I get hit by the birds. (The collision detection is a bit sticky with the birds... When Dave is on the left and the bird is coming on the right, a collision is registered even when the bird and Dave aren't touching)

2) I either end up falling off a ledge, or on the right side of the level fall too far and end up dying.

EDIT: Although I just got through it. Yay!!

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Originally posted by briandra3:
The level I'm referring to is the one that starts out with Dave saying "It looks like I'll have to start climbing from here"

I'm playing on Normal, and two things make the level tough for me:
1) I end up losing all my health because I get hit by the birds. (The collision detection is a bit sticky with the birds... When Dave is on the left and the bird is coming on the right, a collision is registered even when the bird and Dave aren't touching)

2) I either end up falling off a ledge, or on the right side of the level fall too far and end up dying.

EDIT: Although I just got through it. Yay!!

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Ah ok. Those levels and enemies are very, very.... "raw" (if you know what I mean). I'll clean them up a bit. Thanks for the feedback!

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Note: All these questions are essentially just asking for my boundaries for helping create the story. I don't want to write something so complex that nobody wants to code it.

Questions:
Is Bible Dave pimarily a dodging/escape game? Can Dave ever "fight back" or is he pretty much non-violent? (There have been times when I wanted to slug a monkey while playing this )

Are the coders willing to add more dynamic components to the game environment like pushing rocks around to trap animals, or timed fall-through bricks?

Is there a system in place or in design for animated tiles?

If I can work a story that fits, are the coders willing to make "bosses" at the end of the stage? This would give more of a definiton to the end of the level/chapter. btw, the fight against the boss does not necessarily need to be a violent one. It could be puzzle based.

Will Dave eventually be able to go back to previous levels (maybe only in the same chapter), or is it more like Mario 1.. forever going forward?

I know that Dave has a motivation for collecting the Bibles, but it seems like the player does not (i.e. the player can just say "forget the bibles" and go right to the end of the game.) Are we interested in having story elements that drives the player into wanting to collect bibles?

I think the overall story of Bible Dave is a great idea. You all are pretty creative for coming up with it! Not to mention all the programming.

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Note: All these questions are essentially just asking for my boundaries for helping create the story. I don't want to write something so complex that nobody wants to code it.

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Questions:
Is Bible Dave pimarily a dodging/escape game? Can Dave ever "fight back" or is he pretty much non-violent? (There have been times when I wanted to slug a monkey while playing this )

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Are the coders willing to add more dynamic components to the game environment like pushing rocks around to trap animals, or timed fall-through bricks?

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Is there a system in place or in design for animated tiles?

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If I can work a story that fits, are the coders willing to make "bosses" at the end of the stage? This would give more of a definiton to the end of the level/chapter. btw, the fight against the boss does not necessarily need to be a violent one. It could be puzzle based.

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Will Dave eventually be able to go back to previous levels (maybe only in the same chapter), or is it more like Mario 1.. forever going forward?

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I know that Dave has a motivation for collecting the Bibles, but it seems like the player does not (i.e. the player can just say "forget the bibles" and go right to the end of the game.) Are we interested in having story elements that drives the player into wanting to collect bibles?

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I think the overall story of Bible Dave is a great idea. You all are pretty creative for coming up with it! Not to mention all the programming.

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