Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
I had an interesting idea last night while I was watching a movie. I have been trying to come up with a really good story for an angel type game. I decided on the title Risen because it is about a fallen angel (Which would be a demon, right?) well, anyway... he repents for his sins, and redeems himself and becomes a risen demon (which would be an angel, right? lol) Anyway... I am trying to develop a story for it, but I would love any help anybody can give me. Thanks a million, and may God bless you! |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
I have been doing some thinking on it yesterday, and have come up with a plot for the game... It would begin with you being a demon in the devil's army for like two levels (Tutorial levels), and then there is this huge fight between angels and demons, and the demons lose (of course) but they do not kill you, instead you are shown mercy, and you repent and become saved. You then start doing jobs for God... many of your first thoughts would be something like slaying demons. No, the object of this game is to convert the demons. Each chapter of the game would have a theme, like love, mercy, patience and so on and so forth. Each chapter's levels would have to do with the theme... like the first chapter would be love, or something, and you would be told your goal which is to not kill the demons, but to show them the love that the angels have shown you. Well as you are walking around you will fight with demons, but instead of being really violent (i realize that there has to be a little violence, but no blood) you just see the sword swings, and maybe hear a grunt from the attacked person. After they are defeated, they do not die, but instead fall to the ground with their black armor, and then rise as converted angels. Then they disappear into heaven, and you continue on with the game. The whole entire game would be about the Fruit of the Spirit... and each chapter would need Scripture to explain the current theme. I am trying to make it entertaining enough for the average gamer, but also make it in a way that it anyone can play it, or at least watch it. |
kiwee Member Posts: 578 From: oxfordshire, england Registered: 04-17-2004 |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Yeah, I have been pretty excited about the idea. I have not decided on what kind of game it will be. I kind of see it being more of a 2D side scroller, but it could also be a pretty cool 3D adventure game. Which do you guys most enjoy? |
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kiwee Member Posts: 578 From: oxfordshire, england Registered: 04-17-2004 |
side scrollers are really good if they are finished, but in order to make a good one, it needs to be finnished 3D games are fun, but if the graphics are bad the game often is too. and it is often hard to find good quality, low poly, models Top-down 2D platformers are really good, even if they arn't finished. and graphics are easy to do for them
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Yeah, I think that would work really well, I never really thought about top down. I think the reason I thought of side scroller is because I have been playing alot of MegaMan, lol. If you want to help me that would be awesome. But be warned I can get a little picky, lol, especially when it comes to my game ideas, lol. But I am not as picky as alot of people I have seen, lol. But anyway, all or any help is appreciated. Just tell me if you are sure about helping. Well I have to go, I have soccer soon, so I will check back tonight. Later, and God Bless! |
HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
Hah, cool. You're not too far away from me -- I live in Elkhart, Indiana -- less than 2 hours north of you. --clint ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Lol, yeah you are probably the closest person on here, lol. I do not know many people in Indiana that are into game design, at least seriously into it, most of my friends have an idea of their perfect game, but that is pretty much it, lol |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
My idea for the characters is still in question, lol. I am debating whether or not to have the angels and demons have wings, and if they do if they should be the normal wings (Angels= dove wings, demons= bat wings) I am also trying to draw up some concept art for the characters, but I do not have all the time in the world, lol. I am wanting them to be normal sized people, male form. The angels would have bright silver armor, and the demons would have similar armor but it would be black (or dark gray) and have spikes. But if anyone has any better suggestions, I am open to hear them, lol. Well, I have to go... TTYL... God bless ya'all! |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
Huh, MY ideas never get such good feedback, anyway... THAT IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA! if you could get that 3d with good models, that would be a keeper! Side-scroller games are also good, (my fav game is Heli Attack III, thats awesome!) keep going ------------------ Blessed are those who show mercy. Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thank you for that wonderful compliment. I never would have imagined that my game ideas would get such praise, I posted originally just to hear what I thought would be more negative things, but of course in a positive way (Does that really make sense?) Anyway, thank you all for all of the compliments and help you have given me. Yeah, that is what I thought about the 3D, I think if it could be done VERY well I think it would look REALLY good. I am going to try and come up with some quick concept models of some 2D pictures of some of the characters, and I am hoping to eventually be able to post some concrete pictures, and not just concept. Thank you again for helping me. I have to go, TTYL... God bless you all! |
Tonnyx Member Posts: 140 From: Indiana, USA Registered: 08-02-2005 |
Greetings! I have a question: can angels repent and/or be redeemed? I could be wrong, but I think the going belief is that they aren't. I realize that games are games and not meant to be a complete, or even necessarily accurate representation of reality, but I am currently wrestling with what the acceptable "line" is, especially for people who are trying to spread a thing they want to call "truth". To what degree can/should truth be spread through untruth? All fiction is untrue by definition, but you know what I mean: presenting a circumstance that, as far the Bible tells us (which admittedly is not much) or our observations tell us, does not comply with reality. I welcome healthy debate, as this is a huge issue, and I would like to figure out what our principles should be, and how they ought to be applied in fiction and games. If I had it all figured out & I'd have written the perfect game by now. |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thank you for that question, lol, I have often thought about that. I understand completely what you mean, I do not know if fallen angels can repent, but that is not the point of my game. The point of this game idea is to show people that no matter what they have done, or who they are, there is still hope for them. It is to show that you could have been a very bad person, but God still loves you. The game is planned to build on the attributes that every Christian should have, hince the Fruit of the spirit themed chapters. And as far as spreading untruth through redeeming of Angels, I have not read anything that would tell me that they cannot be redeemed, but I have not read anything that says they can. Well anyway I have to go... again thanks for the question, lol, I look forward to reading other replies, lol. Later, God Bless y'all |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Does anyone know how to get something copyrighted? Before I make a website for my game I am wanting to make sure no one can steal it, well at least making sure they cannot legally steal it, lol. So if anyone has any information on copyrights, I would appreciate the info, anyway... I have to go, so I look forward to any and all replies. Later, and God Bless Y'all! |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
If I did not go with the Angel theme... what other theme could there be. I mean obviously humans, but when? Medieval, Oriental, Modern? I have been straining my brain all day today trying to come up with a better idea, or at least a more factual idea, but it has proven fruitless. If anyone has any suggestions I am more then happy to hear them. Thanks Later, and God Bless Y'all! |
dedicatedrider Member Posts: 210 From: USA Registered: 08-04-2005 |
Hey there! You already know this, but your game idea is GREAT (all of your ideas are  ) And you also know that I'm trying to come up with ideas for you on that... I'm still thinking.... no ideas yet. Anyway, I just wanted to make my first post, lol. |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thank you for the encouragement, lol. It is always needed. ( ) I look forward to hearing any ideas you come up with, well until next time, TTYL. Later, God Bless Y'all! |
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Tonnyx Member Posts: 140 From: Indiana, USA Registered: 08-02-2005 |
So, I was trying to think of a more "correct" way to present your message (it wouldn't be very good of me to shoot down your idea & then offer nothing in the way of constructive ideas  ). I'm not sure how much better this is, but here's what I thought of:Set in O.T. times, you play a pagan Gentile. He becomes a believer and joins the Israelites, and fights for Israel's army against the Philistines. I am not up on the history of the Israelite/Philistine struggle, so here's a question: did they ever take Philistines captive, or were they always supposed to kill them outright? If they took them captive, it would be cool if the player had a part in telling them about the God of Israel, as well as burning the idols, and got to see other Gentiles putting their faith in God (we can skip the part about their becoming circumcised). Also, it would be cool if the player got to see some of the battles that God intervened in, where the player is in a desperate situation and seems to be totally outnumbered, and then God {strikes the enemies with terror, leprosy, etc. etc.} & wins the battle for them. ::shrug:: just an idea. Thoughts? Criticism? |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
That sounds like a good idea. I like the whole thing with the once being a pagan Gentile, and then joining the fight alongside the Israelites. I am sure that would make for a good game for people who are trying to find something like that, but the goal for my game ideas is something that will attract unsaved people, but then give them a message that makes them think. I do not mean that I am going to work on controversial titles, I am just trying to find the title that has the goodness, and message of a Christian game, but also attracts the non-Christians to it. But as far as giving me an idea for the game, thank you alot, that sounds like it would be able to replace the angel theme. But if you can think of anything else that would add to it, I would be more then happy to hear it. Thanks again for supplying me with the idea, lol. Well I have to go, so I will TTYL. Later, and God Bless Y'all! |
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Tonnyx Member Posts: 140 From: Indiana, USA Registered: 08-02-2005 |
Oh! I see what you mean about wanting a storyline that is appealing to unbelievers. I didn't realize at first that you had a more general target audience in mind. Hmm. I'll let you know if I come up with better ideas. |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Yeah, lol, it is not always obvious, lol. Thank you for trying to come up with an idea, lol, and thanks for any future ideas you come up with, lol. Well I have to go, so TTYL Later, and God Bless Y'all! |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Ok, I have been thinking and thinking lately about a new idea for the replacement. Listen to what I have... Ok, you are knight which are knighted by the church, and you are a crusader. You are also someone who does not fully believe in the Lord, and what He has done for you. You think the crusades are nothing more then an excuse to wage war. On one of the crusades of the Holy land you see what makes them so important, you see things that make you realize how important the Faith is. After the crusade when you get back home you are confronted by a ton of decisions that greatly affect your game. And obviously if you can resist temptation, in the end you are greatly rewarded, how I am not sure, but like I said it was just an idea. I look forward to hearing what people think of it, and I look forward even more to hearing any suggestions to the idea, I am always wanting to make things better, lol. Later God Bless Y'all! |
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dedicatedrider Member Posts: 210 From: USA Registered: 08-04-2005 |
Wow!!! I think that is a GREAT idea!!! It would definitely make a good "replacement" for your original idea! |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Good, I am glad to get some good feedback already, so soon! LOL ( ) I still look forward to hearing more replies, LOL. |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
I like the new idea. Will it be 2d or 3d? |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
Oh yeah and will it contain any fantasy elements, of any knd? |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
I would be able to make it 2D now, which I am going to try to do, but I would like to make it in 3D eventually, lol. As far as fantasy is concerned I do not think that those elements would be good to include, I will just have to come up with enough rock solid gameplay/storyline that it will attract even the most hardcore gamer. Do you think there would be enough, besides combat, to do that it would make the game worth playing? What about going on little quests to find artifacts (just old things, lol, nothing 'magical')? |
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kiwee Member Posts: 578 From: oxfordshire, england Registered: 04-17-2004 |
quote: well, as soon as you make something, it is copyrighted, but it is always good to remind people of that by putting: (C) Copyrighted By #NAME#, #YEAR# and replace the (C) with the copyright symbol if you can, otherwise, leave it like that ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
It's good to have it non-fantasy, being that it's based around the crusades, it's cool to see a game where you keep it historical enough. Most people (besides Christians) will play any game if it's fun. How can you tell if it's fun? Well: 1. Let people test it, hear everything about what they think, don't let them hold back, even you don't accept 100% they say, it will still open your eyes. 2. Do you have fun when you yourself test it? If so that's a good sign. 3. Do you have fun making the game? If not, I suggest you wait till you get another idea that lights up your interest, or put the project down and concentrate on a project that interests you more (which is what I do ALOT), who knows you might go back to it, with better ideas and more interest. Otherwise when you take an idea and run with it, but lose interest you will dread making it. If you do enjoy making, that's great! you're on the first step to making a great game, even if no else likes it (which is not likely), you will remember the good time you had making it. Now I am not saying you should put every little thing in there that you think will be "fun", keep it consistent. Most of all make a game that you would enjoy playing. |
crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
are copyright laws different in different countries.....cuz i always thought that getting something copyrighted and getting a patent were similar processes.....but this will not be the first time i was wrong. ------------------ btw...its crazy-ish-one |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
Go here: http://www.copyright.gov/ Everything you wanted to know about US Copyrights. |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
About the copyright thing is concerned... Thank you for all of the information, I am sure it is more simple then I think, but I figure it is always worth asking, lol. Now I must thank lava for his post, because he just stated one of the most obvious things, that I have never thought about, lol (I do not mean that in a mean way, I am sincerely thankful, lol.) I really never thought about how you really could tell if it was good, I guess I am just trying too hard, lol, well I will update you on any ideas I come up with... or any news I have about the game idea... which I guess is the same thing, but oh well... thanks again lava! Later, and God Bless Y'all! |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Another quick question. Now, I do not know how many of you have played Final Fantasy, but with the turn-based battles... how many people like that? Or do you prefer real-time? Another question... Do you guys like it in 2D, or 3D? |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
well....the semi-realtime fighting available in Knights of the Old Republic (u could axually edit the options for that) was cool, and real time is cool. but, it may be easier for you to go the turn-based route.. taking into account system rescources, ease of programming, etc... ------------------ [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited August 10, 2005).] |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Sounds like your opinions are just like mine, lol. Does anyone know what kind of quests crusaders, or just knights would go on in times of peace? I am huge on the whole Medieval thing, but other then the tournaments I have know knowledge of stuff they do, lol. |
MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
definetly quests for artifacts, protection of Christians traveling through hostile territories, acting as armed messengers for kings, if a feudal lord was really bullying the people and his lord was unhappy with him he could send knights. see, back in feudal times, knights were not just for the kings, each lord would hire their own squads of knights to do their bidding throughout their territories. Even in peace times, there were battles of land between the small lords trying to aquire each other's farms, land and the like. MastaLlama ------------------ [This message has been edited by MastaLlama (edited August 11, 2005).] |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thank you, MastaLlama, for all of that information. You have given me enough ideas that I can now work on the actual story, before I did not think there was going to be much I could do with it, so I thank you for all of that information, lol. Well I have to go, I have a soccer game to get ready for. Later, and God Bless Y'all! |
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whiteknight Member Posts: 14 From: Perth, Western Australia, Australia Registered: 08-11-2005 |
I think that's a top idea! The thing with Angels and Demons, it appeals even to those who aren't Christian (or maybe that's just me putting myself in their shoes). My preference for it would be turn-based style - but you can understand my bias (self-confessed FF7 fan who completed it in 3 days). I would love to see a Christian computer game like that! After all, FF7 was driven very much from the storyline - NOT from the violence. Just my thoughts =D Mitchell Nunis |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
That is what I thought about that idea, but how much fiction should be put into a game that is delivering the Truth? That is a question that should be answered, ya know? As far as the turn-based is concerned, that is gameplay I think is so much fun, not many people like it, not that I have talked to at least. But I have recenlty beat the Lord of the Rings: The Third Age for the XBox, and I loved the combat gamestyle, which resembled alot of the same in FF. I think it would be possible to have combat in a Christian game, as long as it was not centered around it, and if it were not graphic at all, which the combat in FF is what I would be aiming for, just animations to show the attack, and a reaction from the attacked character. |
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whiteknight Member Posts: 14 From: Perth, Western Australia, Australia Registered: 08-11-2005 |
I know what you mean about the support for the turn-based style combat, it's an acquired taste to most. =( However, if you need ideas on the combat aspect - have a look at the 'Christian Gameplay Paradigm' we've implemented into our title, Timothy & Titus - the 'combat' is through Christian abilities such as prayer, preach, heal, finger of God, Armour of God, ect. That battles the inner 'evils' of the hostiles, without actually resorting to violence. The difference here is that our game is a platform title, but i'm sure you'll get a few ideas from that! Mitchell Nunis |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thank you, lol. I appreciate the quickness of replies, lol, and all of the information/ideas you are providing. Well, I have to go now (I have been on too long as it is, lol) thank again! Later, and God Bless Y'all! |
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MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
...on the whole "turn-based vs real-time battles" i must say that all the good ol' RPGs are/were turn-based. All the Final Fantasies, Shining Forces, Lunars, Cronos (trigger and cross), etc...etc... on the other hand, Zelda was very popular too! LOL ------------------ |
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MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
LOL, yeah, I like to be reminded of the old games, lol. I think I prefer turn-based... it lets there be a little more strategy involved, which I am all for. I think I am going to experiment with the two things, and see which one I like better. The movie, lol, it really had nothing to do with my idea, lol. I was watching Constantine, which I found to be a very poorly thought out movie, and was way too catholic, and I HATED the way they portrayed God. The only thing that caused me to think of the game idea I had was because there were Angels, and demons, lol, other then that there is no connection to that movie. |
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MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
i figured that was the movie, i liked it for what it was. it kinda seemed like a toned down spawn. i kept wating for the main character to yell "totaly!" and do the air guitar thing from Bill & Ted. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Yeah, lol, it is one of those movies I have added to the list of never-to be-watched-again. Ok, back to my game idea... for the combat sequences what if instead of showing the two characters actually attacking each other physically, what if it was more of a spiritual battle. I mean it would still resemble the two characters (or how many there are), but you are more fighting inside their souls, and whether or not good or evil triumphs depends on who wins the spirit battle? Obviously if the player character won, good would triumph and the game would progress, and if the hostile character won, evil would triumph, and it would be a game over... start from your last save, you know, lol. How does that sound? |
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MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
that sounds pretty cool, you could have the battle sequence do a color tint towards whatever side was winning. If the evil side is winning the screen gets progressively darker, if the good side is winning, the screen gets progressively whiter. If evil wins, the screen goes completely black and takes you back to the last save point. If good wins, the screen goes completely white and then transitions back to your game screen. ...just some ideas MastaLlama ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Brilliant, lol. That is a really good idea. Thank you MastaLlama, lol. I think that would make the game look really good. Combat options (better word then attacks in this case) could be stuff like Salvation, Armor of God, Ten Commandments for the good characters (of course would need more, lol.) and the evil characters would have stuff that deals with Disobedience, Temptation, and Sin (again I would of course need to come up with more, lol.) How does that sound? Ideas, critcism are always more then welcome. Later, and God Bless Y'all! |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
How would you attack with Salvation, Armor of God or Ten Commandments? I think it would be cool to attack by reciting the Word of God. Maybe the evil characters could have fear, doubt and sin. I think it would cooler to have something Christians could relate to, instead of just clicking a button that says "Salvation" and creating a fantasy that only exists in the game, look in the Bible where you could see how Satan attacks, and how us Christian are supposed to react to those attacks. Even if you have it symbolicly. ------------------ [This message has been edited by lava (edited August 12, 2005).] [This message has been edited by lava (edited August 12, 2005).] |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
lol, yeah you could not really attack with them. I just thought of a few while I was on here, those would be more defensive abilities. That would definitely be cool. Yeah those are some of the other things I thought up for the evil character, lol, but yeah those would definitely make sense. Yes, I agree that would be really cool, it would make the game better if the players can feel for the main character (as long as they did not hate him, lol, or any other negative feeling.) Seeing as though the battles would be symbolic of the fight between good and evil, I think symbolic attacks would be better then flat-out attacking. |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I'm actually entirely for the fantasy world that only exists on the comp. make it too "real" and it's no longer fun. I personally don't wanna play a game where you are a missionary throwing fruits of the spirit around to convert people. and a non-christian for sure wouldn't. a fantasy world can make abstract ideas concrete. something to relate spiritual ideas into a form that's easier to grasp. think of Lord of the Rings. I personally would create a game in a totally fictional world, with flat out fighting to represent the brutal struggle of spiritual warfare. for one, it's just so much more fun that way. on top of that, games can also create interests in certain areas. Star Wars and Wing Commander got me interested in space. books like Peretti's This Present Darkness got me more interested in Spiritual Warfare. maybe a game of such could do the same for others. my point is, games are meant to be played for fun. if I want a sermon, I'll read a book or attend a service. well, each to his own. ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
I comepletely understand and I think we are on the same boat about this. The fantasy I was talking about is where you attach a Christian a name to something to make it Christian, so the fantasy of that is to say that it's Christian, like to make a game where it's basicly FF with a few Christian words. Now let me clarify another point, I'm not saying preaching a sermon to people, personally I get tired of those types of games, I prefer games that are comepletely symbolic, but don't confuse people about the truth either. I know I keep changing this post, but I have a habit of unclarification. ------------------ [This message has been edited by lava (edited August 12, 2005).] [This message has been edited by lava (edited August 12, 2005).] [This message has been edited by lava (edited August 12, 2005).] |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
ahh, k. cool. I personally am a big fan of symbolism. God seems to like it too.lol.
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MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
ok, i'm gonna go out on a limb here and probably talk about something that's been implemented a hundred times but... God's Word = Sword sounds like if you collect the pieces to the armor of God and grasp the Sword and are fighting against enemies with bows & arrows...sounds like it all fits to me. hee hee MastaLlama ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
See, I am a fan of both historically accurate, and completely fictional games. I also enjoy the games that tend to be both (like the Dynasty Warrios series) ArchAngel: I agree with you on the thing with making a game too 'real'. The Lord of the Rings was a GREAT story (both book and movie) and it translated really well into a game. And to make it even better it had a HUGE symbolic background, which I thought was one of the coolest things about it. It would be nice to create a game that rivaled that series. Just a quick thought I just thought up... what if I stuck with the Angels and demons version, but instead of playing a redeemed Angel, you played as a 'new' Angel (I know that kind of sounds weird, but anyway...) Thoughts? Criticism? |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
hey, put simply, I'm always interested in a Angel-fights-demon game. that sounds pretty cool. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Yeah, I am the same way. I love playing as an Angel. And alot of non-Christians are the same way, so I think/agree that that idea would be very appealing to them, if done in the right way. |
CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
if it's a medival fantasy world, you could have two warring kings.. King Agemo Ahpla of the Legnas King Natas of the Nomeds Natas was once Agamo's mightiest of warriors and held the highest position of King Agemo's great army. But Natas became greedy and his desire for power led to revolt and many Legnas vowed allegience to their new master Natas. However, Natas and his new army were no match for King Agemo and they were forced out and established the Kingdom of the Nomeds. |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Sounds like a good idea. Also sounds like you have been thinking about it for a long time, lol. Thanks for the idea, it really is cool. God Bless Y'all! |
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whiteknight Member Posts: 14 From: Perth, Western Australia, Australia Registered: 08-11-2005 |
*Guilty look* I kinda liked Constantine - i guess it was the fact that i had minimal expectations of it!! But i see where you're coming from - and if it's anything like what's discussed here, well, sign me up for a copy!! Mitchell Nunis |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
lol, well that would be your opinion, lol, and I cannot stop you from having that, nor can I change it, lol. I think if they had changed a few things, it would have been awesome. Ok, not sounding stupid or anything, but what exactly are you refering to when you said "Sign me up for a copy"? Just curious, lol. |
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CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
quote: You probably picked up on the word reversal Agemo Ahpla = Alpha Omega |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
No, actually I did not catch that, lol. I like that even more now that I see that, lol. Wow, that is really cool! That is awesome, lol, don't mind if I use it? Wow, that is so cool, lol. |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
this is a really good game idea i hope u will see ti to completion... very cool. good luck. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thanks alot, Crazyishone, lol. My idea has certainly grown since I posted it on here so long ago, ok so it was not that long ago, but you get the picture, lol. I will definitely see this one through to completion, lol. |
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whiteknight Member Posts: 14 From: Perth, Western Australia, Australia Registered: 08-11-2005 |
I meant, sign me up for a copy of that game!!! |
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CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
quote: no problem with me if go that way. also, I think not calling your angelish characters 'angels' and demonish ones 'demons' and placing it in a fantasy world handles possible concerns: 1. allows you to make the game not seem overtly Christian to non-christians. |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
True, definitely true, lol. Thanks for the ideas, and comments, and everything. This game has certainly grown since it got posted a while ago. So thanks to everyone here on CCN! I am going to try and get a site going as soon as possible for this, so I will continue to get you all updated and everything. God Bless Y'all! |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Ok, little update, lol. I have changed the name of the game to Kings of Ethristah Comments? I love getting feedback, lol. |
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CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
quote: aahh, I get it! Good luck! |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
lol, really? Cool, I did not expect people to get it... at least not that soon after I posted it, lo, but maybe that is just me, I never was good at word scrambles, lol. Well, thanks CoolJ! God Bless Y'all! |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
This post is just seeing what my avatar looks like on here, lol. ------------------ |
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dedicatedrider Member Posts: 210 From: USA Registered: 08-04-2005 |
Oooooooooooooooooo............ VERY COOL!!!! ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
LOL, it looks better in a larger format. That one is 64x64 (obviously, lol), but I like the one that is 196x196. ------------------ [This message has been edited by gamer4christ (edited August 18, 2005).] [This message has been edited by gamer4christ (edited August 19, 2005).] [This message has been edited by gamer4christ (edited August 19, 2005).] |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Here is a banner I made this morning. Except for the text, I like it, lol. Tell me what you think ------------------ |
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dedicatedrider Member Posts: 210 From: USA Registered: 08-04-2005 |
VERY COOL =D ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thanks!  I plan on changing the text to look like rocks (Symbolic? Majorly!) But I will get that posted as I work on it, lol, if you have any suggestions I would love to hear them ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
except for the text, I like it too. ------------------ |
fingolfin Member Posts: 197 From: IL Registered: 03-19-2005 |
quote: quote: I think a game where your "angelish" character was "new" to your fantasy world, it would make for a very cool game. If you could make it so, like in KOTOR, your character would become more like a demon if he made wrong/bad (moral) decisions, and more like an angel if he makes right/good (moral) decisions. If your character became a "demonish" character, the only way for you to complete the game is to have your demonish character repent. It take alot to make a rather open ended story, thought, cause you would have to make a whole story about the "demonish" side of things, but if it could be pulled off, would make a really sweet game, especially if the color of the world your character see is affected by what "side" he/she is on. I like turn based. But the combat has to be good for turn based to work. Also there needs to be enough types of attacks, so that choosing the right one requires a good amount of stratagey. The game sounds great! ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Yes, I think those games are fun... the ones you can choose right from wrong, but I always choose the right way of doing things because it is me making the decision, lol... I know several people who are sick of playing just the good guy, and they enjoy mixing things up, and they choose the darker side of the choices. Now I realize that it could be cool if done right, but the whole thing with the ONLY the 'demonish' character could beat the game is if they repented. I think, from knowing so many non-Christian gamers, that if done in the way that would be the most obvious they would be left feeling disappointed. I mean, yes show them that repenting is the only way to Heaven but it is difficult to translate into a fantasy world where you have gotten to choose your path of right or wrong, and then now the ONLY way to beat the game is if you choose to repent, it kind of defeats the purpose of them being able to choose. So in my opinion, and what would work best for this game, is more of a linear game story, one that there are decisions, but not between being an 'angelish' character, and being a 'demonish' character. But great idea, I will keep that in my mind for future games, but for this game I just do not see it being able to work as well as in KOTOR (one and two), Fable, or Jade Empire. Yes, I agree turn-based have to be done in a certain way. I mean the new Final Fantasy games have awesome combat attacks, they are so focused on the fancy stuff, and that is cool, I love the HUGE swords beign swung around like they did not weigh anything. Then you have your LotR:The Third Age... also turn-based, but not as fancy. They just swung their swords, which was fine in that because the movie was not about fantasy combat (at least not as far as the techniques were concerned) What I am aiming for is more of something like Fire Emblem. It is 2D, they do not exceed reality, but are still cool to watch, and does not get boring to play, but of course I am going for the style that Final Fantasy set in that combat is more then just one turn long, lol. Ok, well I have to go, it is getting late, and I have school tomorrow (or should I say today? lol) It should not be time for my last first day of high school, lol. Well, Later ------------------ |
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fingolfin Member Posts: 197 From: IL Registered: 03-19-2005 |
yeah, fire emblem has great gameplay. It's mainly balanced between types of attack. There is your physical attack (i.e. Lyns sword) there is your non-physical attack (i.e Magic) there is your physical non-attack (i.e vulenary) and then your non-physical non-attack (i.e restore) These four combine to make a very balanced attack square, that is genreally used in most games. Yeah, it would be hard to the game in a style where you could turn good or evil, which is why the first idea of being a demonish character who repents is really cool. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Yeah, lol. I think Fire Emblem, despite its linear quests, and almost required sub-quests, and the fact that once a character dies they are gone for good, and despite its simplicity, I think it is an excellent game, lol, and I loved how they did their combat. Yeah, that is idea is still floating in my head so it may see the light of day eventually, but right now I am working on Kings of Ethristah, lol. Well I have some more school to do before I can be done for today, lol, first day back is always light, so I will ttyl... Cya 0=D God Bless Y'all! ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
I have been working on some code for a sample form of combat lately, and it has been working well, it is far from finished but it works, which at this stage is all that matters, lol. Right now it is all text-based because I have not finished the graphics for it, but I have been also working on the main character, and I have something I can post, so I will post that as soon as it is finished which should be in a few days, or even later tonight, lol. Well I just thought I should keep you guys updated, so I will TTYL, Later! God Bless Y'all! 0=) ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
Kings of Ethristah? Cool name superficially, but I don't get what it's supposed to mean. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
LOL, it means Kings of This Earth The "this earth" is scrambled around. God Bless Y'all! 0=) ------------------ |
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dedicatedrider Member Posts: 210 From: USA Registered: 08-04-2005 |
Oh... That is a good idea! ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thanks Dedicatedrider, lol. Here is what I have so far as far as the main character is concerned, lol.: I would love to hear what you think of him, tell me what you like or dislike. Any suggestions to make him look better. I would love to hear anything. ------------------ |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
I like that main character -- it looks good! ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thanks, lol, Yeah he has grown on me since I made him, but I still have a few things to fix, lol. Again thanks, lol, well I have to go and get ready for some classes, so I will TTYL, Later! God Bless Y'all! ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
quote: thats an awesome idea. superb. ------------------ [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited August 25, 2005).] |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Thanks Crazyishone, lol. I am still trying to come up with a name for the country, or whatever it is, in the middle. But lately I have been very busy with soccer, and school that I have had almost no time to work on KoE. But I hope to get the chance later today, so let us hope, lol. Well, I have to go, Later! God Bless Y'all! ------------------ [This message has been edited by gamer4christ (edited August 28, 2005).] |
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kiwee Member Posts: 578 From: oxfordshire, england Registered: 04-17-2004 |
[rant] do the game in 3D if you can get your hands on good quality models, do it 2D if you just want a fun game to play, and can't get the right quality of models personnally, i would prefer it to be 2D. i just seem to like them better that way, often 3D games can be aweful if the models are bad, and they can be unplayable if the lighting is bad, but you don't get that in 2D. also, if you do it 3D, make the battles real-time, (unless you want to follow the same turn-basedness of toontown.com which is really good), and if you do do it in 2D, make them turn-based (this is from an artists point of view, since it is easier to do art for turn-based battles then real-time battles). [/rant] - kiwee ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
Namuh could be a name for the country of man, or the neipas-omoh. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Yeah, Kiwee, I planned on 2D right now because I am just trying to make a fun game, and not have to worry about doing MAJOR graphics that can ultimately decide if the game is playable, lol. And I plan on making it turn-based for now, lol, but I would love to see it turn out to be like the LotR: Return of the King, you know awesome 3D graphics, and almost perfect combat system, and you know just awesome, lol. But, that would be for something down the road when I get alot more experience in making a game, right now this is my first game, lol. Now as far as good modeling software, what do people recommend? Right now the ONLY ones I have are Milkshape 3D, and Maya 6.0 (PLE) and I am, obviously, on a tight budget right now, so anyone know of a better and cheaper modeling software? Lava: Those are certainly interesting. I think out of the two I like Namuh, but I am going to continue looking for something to call it, lol, I think I am going to try and mix Mankind around. There should be some interesting choices in that one, lol, well I have to go, so I will TTYL, Later! God Bless Y'all! 0=) ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
I have been tossing an idea around for the last few days. Choice Driven gameplay. I LOVE being faced with choices in games, because I can look back and see how good (Alignment) my character is and say to myself that I did that by myself. So I have been trying to decide is I should make KoE a Choice-Driven game. Like Fable, and Jade Empire, and both KOTOR. What are everyone's thoughts on making a choice-driven game? My thinking is that if they are forced to make the right decisions then they do not really learn anything, but if they are faced with both, or multiple decisions, then they have the opportunity to actually decide based on their mind. I think the whole being able to turn good and evil is great, but in my game I want there to always be a way out of being evil (if that is the way they went), and the only way for you to beat the game is if you repent (if you played an evil character) which would be done through a large amount of cinematic, and dailogue. Another thought, along these lines, is that instead of starting in the good kingdom (Still needs a name), you start in side the metropolis in between the two kingdoms. From there you would be able to help, or hurt people, and even meet Prince Roivas (Because He has a special liking for that city, lol,) And then from there you can decide whos side you want to be on, and like I said before, there would alway be a way to get out of the evil path, and you can only beat the game if you repent. Thoughts, opinions, comments, criticisms? ------------------ |
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kiwee Member Posts: 578 From: oxfordshire, england Registered: 04-17-2004 |
quote: Wings3D! ------------------ |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
quote: Blender? Some people love it, some people hate it. You've probably heard about it though? At first glance, I found the interface hokey and not very intuitive, but there are some video tutorials that look really good. I downloaded them, but haven't had a chance to really dive into them yet, but next time I want to learn Blender, I'll start with these. I know many free games I've seen developed use Blender almost exclusively for their graphics. Anyway, it seems pretty capable. Edit: Just found this nice Wikibook that looks very helpful! --clint ------------------ [This message has been edited by HanClinto (edited September 01, 2005).] [This message has been edited by HanClinto (edited September 01, 2005).] |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
Wings3d: a very capible modeller, small learning curve. Blender: much much more capible modeller, large learning curve. ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
Oh yeah, and Wings3d probably won't support animation at least until the 1.0.0 release. Right now the current release is 0.98.31 ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Hey, thanks for all of the posts, lol, Ummm... So it sounds like Blender is better, but takes more learning. Well, again thanks for all of the help, lol, I am going to work on making a 3D model here soon, lol, hopefully. Until then, so what does everyone think about choice-driven games? ------------------ |
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Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
Key: * = Keep it X = augh! THROW IT AWAY! Grass = * what is that, watercolor paint? wait.. HOLY SMOKES! haha, i still thought this was on page 1!
Blessed are those who show mercy. Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. [This message has been edited by Realm Master (edited September 02, 2005).] |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
I think that choice-driven games are incredibly interesting, but I imagine that they're also very hard. There was a session about interactive storytelling at the CGDC, but I didn't attend (though my wife did). Maybe I'll ask her nicely if she'll post about it so we all can hear what she learned. --clint ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
RM: lol, yeah that is just a little ways back, lol. HanClinto: yeah, I bet they are VERY hard to make. ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
I like your new avatar Gamer4Christ. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
LOL, thanks, Lava, it is something I worked on earlier today. ------------------ |
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dedicatedrider Member Posts: 210 From: USA Registered: 08-04-2005 |
quote: I like that idea, I think it would be good, even if it was slightly difficult to get just right. Oh, and I LOVE your new avatar!!!!! (Sorry it took so long for me to get my opinion on that on here, lol) ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
lol, thanks DedicatedRider, lol. Yeah I think it would be more beneficial for the player to have to make the decision themselve, then forcing them to make it. Thanks, lol, I am glad you like it, lol. ------------------ |
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fingolfin Member Posts: 197 From: IL Registered: 03-19-2005 |
Yeah, I like the idea of chioce driven as well. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Just testing out my sig, lol. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Did I fix it? ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
Argh!!! I forgot something... ------------------ |
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dedicatedrider Member Posts: 210 From: USA Registered: 08-04-2005 |
There ya go =D ------------------ Proverbs 22:1 |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
that is one of the few "Christian Songs" I can tolerate anymore. cool sig. ------------------ |
