Thanks God for such an awesome universe!

------------------
All Your Base Are Belong To Us!!! chown -r us ./base

``After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2

------------------
Kiwee Stuff Website:
http://kiwee.gibbering.net

This is a Hubble Deep Field image.

each of those "stars" are galaxies.
if you hold a dime at arms length into the sky, this picture will take about that area of space.

(one of the leading theories)
think about this: not only is the universe expanding, but it is accelerating. Toward the outer edges, it is expanding so fast, it has surpassed the speed of light. think of what that actually means.

------------------
"Patience, my good citizen, patience. It's bad enough to rob a man of his dream"
-Sydney Carton, Tale of Two Cities
Soterion Studios

------------------

"I am very good at hiding, so if you don't see me, that's where I am." Orc Outlaw, TES III Morrowind

------------------
Kiwee Stuff Website:
http://kiwee.gibbering.net

------------------

"I am very good at hiding, so if you don't see me, that's where I am." Orc Outlaw, TES III Morrowind

...it is at times like these that I like having a human imagination and a love of things that are purty.

------------------
Kiwee Stuff Website:
http://kiwee.gibbering.net

quote:

---

Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
I'm speechless. God has awesome art!
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/downloads/wallpapers/collection.php?collecti on=newhubble_2

Thanks God for such an awesome universe!

---

amen!

------------------

------------------
"Patience, my good citizen, patience. It's bad enough to rob a man of his dream"
-Sydney Carton, Tale of Two Cities
Soterion Studios

*wallpapered*

------------------
1 Corinthians 15:58 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be strong and steady, always enthusiastic about the Lord’s work, for you know that nothing you do for the Lord is ever useless. (NLT)

Tired of loosing your work for all eternity? Jesus Saves! You should too :P (liek every 1 1/2 seconds) This is a message from teh save the data foundation, and from (CTRL + S): Because da data is y00r future. Maybe.

quote:

---

Originally posted by kiwee:
and because of that, it means when we see, say a star dieing, it accually happened a looooooooooooooooooooong time ago.

---

------------------
All Your Base Are Belong To Us!!! chown -r us ./base
"After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless.'' -- Tao of Programming Book 2

------------------

"I am very good at hiding, so if you don't see me, that's where I am." Orc Outlaw, TES III Morrowind

------------------
proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

proverbs 25:7
open rebuke is better than secret love.

www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia

www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs

------------------
Your love, O Lord, reaches to the heavens, your faithfulness to the skies.
Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your justice like the great deep.
O Lord , you preserve both man and beast.
How priceless is your unfailing love!

------------------

"I am very good at hiding, so if you don't see me, that's where I am." Orc Outlaw, TES III Morrowind

I don't see any specific order in those stars. While you alphabet might spell a full sentence, it doesn't mean God made it that way. (metaphor guys. So don't say this example was too specific).

There doesn't seem to be a reason that God would be involved in everthing. Personally, I believe he sets things in motion and watches them play out. An example is how we have "free will" (and thats a debate for another time).

Would God create each star where he wanted it? perhaps not. Perhaps he just used a series of events to manipulate the course of development.

So it seems stupid to me when somebody looks at a tree or scene and says "God is so wonderful.", claiming that he had his hand in that. After he created the systems by which the trees live and reproduce, there'd be no reason for him to get involved thousands of years later. That huge amazing tree is there due to the reproduction and other processes.

If you refuse to believe that these processes developed on their own, and that doing so would be completely unbiblical, then fine. But perhaps you can accept the idea that God specifically created all of the processes, then set it in motion. Kindof like procedural programming.

------------------
quit posting on CCN? nope. I havn't been driven off yet.

quote:

---

Originally posted by crazyishone:
I don't understand why people say that a beautiful or good thing "couldn't be random". To me that sounds like a little too much Christianese.
<snip>
I don't see any specific order in those stars.
<snip>
Would God create each star where he wanted it? perhaps not. Perhaps he just used a series of events to manipulate the course of development.

---

Here's a quote that my dad just sent me in an e-mail recently. I can get more of these special attributes about our solar system if you're interested. This one is a pretty good small taste at how this Earth that He created is so special, and how we can know that He intentionally caused these details about it to form, and not by accident.

quote:

---

Astronomers have discovered that there are now 250 attributes about our planet, star, galaxy and universe that have to be just right to support life.

If any one of the 250 are missing, or off by just a small amount, life can not be supported.

One example of these 250 things that make a life support site possible is the type of galaxy you live in.

Only planets with stable orbits can support life. Stable planets can only exist in Spriral Galaxies.

Only 6% of all Galaxies are Spiral. So with just that one attribute 94% of all Galaxies are eliminated from the list of possible Life Support Sites.

And there are still 249 more just such attributes. This is very special place.

---

So while I see what you mean, Crazyish -- I still think that God is so infinitely intelligent, that when laying out those "processes" you described before the foundation of the world, that He knew enough about all that chaos and randomness such that it wasn't chaos to Him, but He knew exactly what He was doing such that the world would end up as it is now, and able to support life.

*That* is a God with power, and an amazingly awesome amount of intelligence.

Cheers!

--clint

[This message has been edited by HanClinto (edited April 21, 2006).]

What is easier to say - Thank you Lord for that beautiful tree and a life full of senses and sensations so I can experience and enjoy this world you have created and worship you and praise you for loving me so much?

or

Thank you Lord for creating the Laws of Physics, the Laws of Quantum Mechanics, Laws of Thermo-Dynamics creating a visually asthetic, unique specialized self-realizing organism made of cells containing DNA containing self-replication and self-preserving information made of molocules made of atoms made of matter made of quantum particles on a planet in a solar system in a galaxy(not so far away ) in a universe that you made and set in motion.

Aren't we thanking God for the same thing?

Also, haven't you every experienced something that was so wonderful that it just gave you goosebumps, and made you think 'God..Thank you for THIS!' I have, sometimes just driving to school, I feel the warmeth of the sun on my face, look up at the perfect blue sky with its pillows of clouds and think, God you are SO WONDERFUL!! and somehow I know God loves me!

The Bible makes it clear that God created all things and continues to work in the world and to sustain it. Here's some verses to support this.

http://www.restoringeden.org/resources/bibleverses
(disclaimer: I don't know anything about the organization behind the website)

(Joh 1:1-3)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
- So you were saying about something being random...what was that again?

(Phi 4:4-8)
Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
- it's ok to praise God for things that are 'lovely' and to think of these things. Just like it is ok to thank him for providing food for our table.

[This message has been edited by coolj (edited April 21, 2006).]

quote:

---

Originally posted by bennythebear:
how could someone see something like those pictures and believe all this is random and/or accidental??? those are awesome, as is THE DESIGNER.

---

Well, I don't see it as an accident, and no, I don't see a designer, I see physics. I don't see a designer, I just see it as natural. Oh, and about everything being attuned perfectly for life on our planet by a god... uh, there are a lot of planets out there! The reason we're here is because life is stable on this planet, there are billions of duds out there that cannot support life, that's all. It's ok not to understand some things guys! Don't instantly attribute it to god, it's ok not to know.

Another thing! About the stars moving faster than the speed of light so we cannot see them... uh uh. Not gonna happen. The universe may be older/younger than we currently think (14 billion or something like that), but the stars aren't going to move faster than light. If you notice, when people talk about the universe, they often mention the "known" universe. k?

[This message has been edited by Unthumper (edited May 15, 2006).]

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=575
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040524.html

------------------
"Patience, my good citizen, patience. It's bad enough to rob a man of his dream"
-Sydney Carton, Tale of Two Cities
Soterion Studios

[This message has been edited by ArchAngel (edited May 15, 2006).]

a) Christianese makes us sound ignorant. It also usually generalizes things to an annoying, impractical extent. Like people who will pull one verse out of the Old Testament and get everybody in their chruch to say it when they are "believing for something", while still sitting around being lazy.

b) Just because something is set up "perfectly", and as we need it in order to live, doesn't mean it was intended. Thats only if you believe in the direct "ex nihilo" creation of things on this earth.

To an evolutionist or one who believes God provided catalysts, the order and function of things takes a different meaning.
"We wouldn't be here, had those systems not developed". or "only once those things had changed in the climate, could life be supported on land."

For smaller examples that don't pick a side of that "pseudo-science", I'll go back to the "coincidence" or even "alphabet soup". You bumping into your long last friend after 10 years of silence isn't always an act of God. Maybe, just maybe, you still like the same 80's band and you happened to go see the same reunion concert. :-p

I'm not doing a great job of explaining things here, as I'm quite tired (and playing the devil's advocate. It's always harder to come up with support for a side you don't necessarily agree with.)

------------------
quit posting on CCN? nope. I havn't been driven off yet.

Budd.
Boy.

------------------
In the stock market, you must buy high and sell low...Wait! That's not right!
--------------
Yes, I can be intelligent at times!!