CCN Suggestions Comments and Ideas

New CCN site: What would you like to see – Mack

Mack

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CCN has been using the same site layout for the last 7+ years and as many of you know itís getting old, dusty and crapping out a lot of us. In fact I barely have to worry about the 30 spam bots that join the forums everyday because the forum software is so old that the bots canít post. Guess that really isnít a bad thing. ;-P

Iíve been scrapping towards purchasing the CCN domain for a 3 year term (I appreciate those willing to donate but I canít allow you to do that) and I have some aspirations on what Version 2 of the site would look like but I want to hear everyones feedback on what theyíd like to see. Iím talking about everything; from colours, to layout to content, etc. Iíll be taking everyones consideration and melding it into a pot to formulate what the next site could be.

Now Iím no web master by any means, Iím just the guy with the (limited) cash. I have some friends who are willing to get things rolling but I may have to turn to you guys for help in coding parts of the site. The only thing I could really offer is probably status in the forum, but Iíll work that out later.

Anyways, I want to hear everyones ideas and feedbacks on what you think we as an admin team could do to bring this site up to standards.

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One thing that is nice about the current site is the black background and subdued color scheme, which is easier on the eyes, and also saves power (especially laptops). It could be a little brighter, but I wouldn't want a pure white background.

I'm not a fan of the top frame. It just sits there eating up room on the screen. It could be at the top of the page, but a static frame is sort of annoying. Plus, its pretty much an anachronism.

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spade89

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i'd go throught the ccn suggestios section part if i was you.

as steveth said the title thing is only neccesary at the front page and maybe you should take the proverb bar idea i had into consideration.

i like the color too,but there should also be new title-pictures, new button pictures,etc... as for the forum software i like it just fine.

ccn doesn't have any flash animations or applets so it takes a lot less to load on low connection speeds like mine(31 kbps is just about the highest i seen).

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luke

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Well, I'd like a bit of a brighter feel to this... I thought this was some Goth site for a bit when I first came here.

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Mene-Mene

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I'd kinda like a bit of green to the color scheme, but if we go with everyone's color scheme we're going to have a rainbow, and I'd rather white font on white background than that. BTW I get 52 mbps. I'd like a new section for stuff like showcasing models, and having our own hosting arranged. (Whether by partnership, or by somehow hosting it on CC.com, just one place) Anyway, just a collection of Ideas.

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I like the colour scheme, but it gave me a weird impression when I first came here. I see that others don't like it so I'd recommend:

1) New software, maybe a modified phpBB or something to keep that spam bots at bay
2) 3-6 themes (including this one)
3) New artwork
4) Some new forum categories
5) Perhaps a CMS for the front page and for the showcase
6) This isn't particularly necessary but it would be nice: A shoutout box.

The above list is ranked in what I would believe to be most important change to lowest change.

I'm a big fan of no applets and no flash, so if you include them, please enable something that allows us to turn it off for our account.

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crazyishone

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I would also like to see the top frame go. Stricter moderation of topic content would be nice. That could involve keeping "general discussion" topics off the recently active list.

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goop2

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Yay! Leftover idea stew!!

I like green.
Sometimes I have trouble reading the white on dark because it hurts my eyes.. Black on white isn't good either though.. Not really sure what colors to use..

Also..

I like the top frame

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ArchAngel

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I'd agree, the title is unnecessary space.

the shoutbox is also a good idea.

wouldn't mind having the avy size limit bumped up to 100x100 pixels.

phpBB is okay. generic. but still better looking than most forums out there.

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steveth45

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:

wouldn't mind having the avy size limit bumped up to 100x100 pixels.

At least! I tried to squash a picture of myself into 64x64, and I end up looking like a poorly modeled, blurry 3D rendering of a ninja robot.

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Jari

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I dont know what is the best forum system but I hope that SMF is better against the bots than phpBB because I'm giving up the battle against them in VoHW forums and switching to SMF. Oddly the visual confirmation doesnt seem to help much.

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I agree -- I sortof like the current color scheme, though that's probably just because it's familiar to me and warm and welcoming like an old familiar magazine.

As far as what's important to me in the new site, there are a few things.

#1) The forums are an integral part of the main page, though not completely devoted to it. This is a very welcoming way for people to just lurk and browse the site for a while before they join.
#2) The project showcase is something that I think is pretty cool -- it's a great way for people to show off their projects. The only thing I would love to see added to this is file uploading -- so many people lack reliable hosts, it's often hard for people to share demos and stuff. This would require active moderation from the mods (possibly even requiring files to be labeled "approved" before they are made publicly visible), but it's something that's really helped GarageGames users share resources with each other.

The articles are nice, I'm almost wondering if they could be just done with posts in a special forum. It's nice to have them more "official" though, so I don't know where I stand on that one.

<dream>I for one would love to see something like DutchPIPE used for a community site like this -- maybe it's not good to try and do it this time 'round, but a virtual community site using an interactive engine like that is very attractive to me. </dream>

So yeah, all-told, the great thing about CCN isn't the site, it's the people. The site shouldn't try to attract attention to itself, it should be about promoting connections between people -- which is where the real value is at. I'm all for keeping the new site relatively simple and just "more of the same".

Oh yeah, I agree that the top bar should go as well. For at least a year now I've been browsing CCN without the top frame, by always just going directly to http://www.christiancoders.com/main.shtml .

Sorry it's not any incredibly insightful post, but I think CCN has a great thing going, and I would love to see it kept up.

Thanks so much for the initiative on all of this, Mack! Money's tight for the missus and I as well, but we'd still be happy to pitch in financially if you need it.

Thanks!

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It would be nice if you could add an Art and web development showcase as well as the programming showcase.

I havn't seen the top bar for donkeys years, since I only bookmarked the main frame.

BTW, I would quite like a Quick post function, and an easier quoting function. so a good forum package would be IPB (Invision Power Board), they have a very good modding system too. and they are good for bot prevention.

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goop2

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quote:
Originally posted by kiwee:
BTW, I would quite like a Quick post function, and an easier quoting function.

Seems easy enough..

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Mack

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I appreciate everyones feedback so far, please continue to post ideas! I do plan on making the forum more a folcal point than it is now as I agree with Han (the only reason I stick around is for the people as well).

Few things to note (more so to remind me down the road):

+) Top frame will be removed for the new site, rejoice

+) Colour scheme I'll be keeping somewhat the same; no ultra bright white sites. Colours I'm thinking are smokey/charred grey (rather than black), same blue or possibly a shade higher, light grey/white with 'maybe' some hints of red or green and a more polished look. Less 'dark' looking but not eye burning. Focus again will be on speed loading, I dislike heavily graphic intensive news websites as much as the next person.

+) A small news area pointing out new topics, new articles, new project showcases, interviews and the like. Nothing too indepth, Admins and Mods will have access to this to ensure a steady flow of updated news (as long the forums are bustling).

+) Things like PROJECT SHOWCASE and FEATURED ARTICLES I'm considering just leaving as possibly non-commentable forum posts in a special area. File uploading is dangerous territory, I'll consider it.

+) Try and focus more on general programming, hopefully we'll have users to contribute to this. I'd like to host articles, interviews and showcases specifically designed on non-game programming. Not to worry game programmers and designers, we'll still cover the same with you. I'll consider the art section.

+) I'll bump the avvy size to: 100x100 for the new forums and add more detailed 'ranks'. I will attempt to retain the post count that users currently have but no promises

Keep the suggestions going!

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CPUFreak91

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quote:
Originally posted by LAVA:
How's this for a new CCN logo suggestion?


I personally like the metalic look of the cross and the words on the current CCN logo.

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I like it the way it is, just without a lot of the bugs... but you guys want change, so I second what CPU said. that and the top frame going.

I like the color scheme a lot.

Lava, that logo is pretty cool, but I agree, I like the one we have now as well. plus we'd have to change it for Bible Dave, haha. j/k.

ooh a shoutout box would be awesome.

yeah, I'ld like a bigger av size too.

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Mene-Mene

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I don't know about a bigger avatar size, I kinda like it, i feel it isn't necessary to have a large one. If you're trying to do one of yourself thats another story.

Lava: Cool, but I think it would be nice to have it 3d. I don't know, but 3d rounded text just seems to appeal to me seeing as we are both a Coding and more community.

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Mack

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Don't worry on the logo, I plan on breathing some new life into it as well.
goop2

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Personally.. I like the logo we have now.


....Please put that hammer away.

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CPUFreak91

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Aah. Now I remember. Polls would be really nice.

@Buddboy: Hehe. The logo would be really easy to change in Bible Dave.

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crazyishone

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I think as a community we have a responsibility to live up to the new/improved website. We have the opportunity to be a bit introspective, and we should really take it.

Personal suggestion: As I said before, either keep "general discussion" topics off the main page, or do away with them altogether. If more people use the IRC channel we have, we can do away with the "conversational" threads that seem to pop up all the time. Stricter moderation could certainly handle the rest and keep things in line.

Mack: It would be nice to have at least one unfriendly moderator. This moderator would have to be a person that wouldn't think twice about closing a spam topic. I do not mean to offend, but things have been too lenient for a while now. I imagine nothing has changed as far as the extent of moderation, but the community certainly has.

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spade89

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hey why don't you add feature to the article system where other members could reply their comments on yor article?

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Calin

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Besides what has been suggested IMO it would be nice to have the site navigation menu stretched horizontally on top and with some java scripts for easy navigation (As long as that doesn't make Mack's life harder)
steveth45

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Mack, the changes you listed are awesome. I totally support all of those, 100% percent. Thanks. I also agree with others that we need some more active moderation.

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Mene-Mene

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I agree with closing the spam thread, and I totally want polls (maybe they have to be approved by the Admins to avoid Spam polls) but I think we should have clear definitions of Dos, and Don'ts.

Ex.
What a spam is:
Spam is any post which doesn't add anything to the community. An Example would be if say someone asks the audience in a poll what they know about Web site making, saying, "I don't know anything" doesn't add anything to the thread.

I however don't think there should be any perm bans, perhaps a system somewhat like SW.com where if you have a bad enough offense (insulting someone obviously and maliciously) then you can have an untimed ban which the only place you can post is the forum feedback (every post moderated) and ask why you got banned, and repent and be renewed.

I kinda just think that if we set our rules in concrete and say don't do this, rather than saying this is bad, then we'll shape up.

Oh, and I also think Stickys would be a good idea to add.

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What do you think about including a wiki for fleshing out ideas and teaching. It also might inspire more article content to be produced instead of discussions in the forums.

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Maybe the reason the IRC channel isn't used is because people dont know about it... like me! Where is that anyway?

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quote:
Originally posted by Goop2:
Where is that anyway?


Server: irc.freenode.net
Room: #ccn-chatzone

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Mack

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Ok, this is a really quick rough that I through together. Yes, I know it's too blue (as my wife pointed out) I got a bit carried away. No it's not a functional site, it's just a picture. It's late so my post might be garbled and grumpy.

CCN Affiliates
I didn't know what to put in this empty spot so I decided to do some member advertising. This spot will only be used to advertise projects and websites for CCN members that post here. Each one will have which member the project or website is created by.

CCN Showcase
I decided to take the thumbnails and bring them up to the front page. When users click on the picture or name it'll bring up the Showcase thread. If they wanted to see more Showcases they just click on >More.

New Articles
I'm going to dedicate one article at a time to this area, whatever the newest one is. It'll include a small blurb and a >More to continue the article or >Other Articles for more articles.

Latest News and Updates
Forum highlights, industry news, site news and the like will go here. See the >More and >More News? Cool, me too.

Forum Login
I bumped to the top

Site logo
Isn't 100% by any means, I'm going to have an artist professionally do a update of the logo. It'll remain the same (I might pull the CCN) other than maybe rotating it a bit.

Recent Discussions
Stays the same, for the most part.

Feedback please

Calin

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Now that's what I call refurbishing. Very sleek.

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David Lancaster

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I love it lots, got no crits! Esp when you promote Axys ^^
steveth45

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Awesome. The blue is better, I like it. I also like the showcase images.

Regarding moderation: Perhaps a way to deal with the spam, is to have a general discussion area that is not indexed by Google (I believe this can be done with META tags), and the topics of which do not appear on the Recent Discussions listing. If someone starts a spam or flame-bait topic, it can be moved into the general discussion area, to preserve some level of freedom of speech without having to be bombarded with it all the time when there are more uplifting, informative, and useful discussions taking place. As far as valid discussions are concerned, it would be nice if the moderators would remove wildly off-topic, offensive, hateful, or combative replies to valid discussions.

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Calin

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It would be nice to have a 'Discuss this article' link under each Article in the 'News and Updates' and 'Articles' sections on the front page.
Mene-Mene

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Awesome improvement! I'd still like a bit of green and black to counter the blue, but awesome blending! I would kinda like some stickys (not visible from the main page), and some "Discuss this article". I do know however in the past you just started a thread about it. IDK, just some thoughts.

I just remembered some things. I'd still kinda like to see Krylar once in a while. But mainly, I'd like his Blitz tutorials back.

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Lookin' good!

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That looks great Mack.

Though I know it's not offical, but will the emblem be changed as well? It kinda sticks out like a sore thumb with the rest of the design, unless that's intended.

Personally, I like all of the blue, lol. As long as the text for the threads complements it (which I am sure you'll change from that cyan.)

One suggestion I have for the site itself is, could we have a lock on older threads after a certain date?

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Mack

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Thanks all for the comments. No worries on the stricter Admining, I'll just become iron handed about it.

quote:
It would be nice to have a 'Discuss this article' link under each Article in the 'News and Updates' and 'Articles' sections on the front page.

quote:
and some "Discuss this article".

Ok, but I'm not going to have a discussion on a news item discussing things about a discussion on the discussion forums. I'll just link to the forum post iteself.


quote:
I'd still kinda like to see Krylar once in a while. But mainly, I'd like his Blitz tutorials back.

He'll still pop in now and then when he sees fit. I still plan on keeping him as part of the Admin team and I'll see if he has those articles still.


quote:
Though I know it's not offical, but will the emblem be changed as well? It kinda sticks out like a sore thumb with the rest of the design, unless that's intended.

it isn't 100% by any means, I'm going to have an artist professionally do a update of the logo. It'll remain the same design (I might pull the CCN words overlaying the cross) other than maybe rotating it a bit.

quote:
One suggestion I have for the site itself is, could we have a lock on older threads after a certain date?

Sure, 6 months will be the max. If it hasn't been regularly updated within 6 months of the creation we'll lock it.
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Crap. Now my shirts all wet.

The blue is in man. I love it. A couple things I would change though.. The CCN logo is ok, its just that the rim is a little too bright. The words look awesome, but I don't like the glow.. it makes them look blurry. Its defiantly NOT too blue. I think its perfect, but if the others dont like it.. PLEEEEASE keep it as an option?? >.<

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Personally, I like brightness on the logo, it's got a glow that reminds me of bloom in games, it looks really pro to me. But it will look different anyway when the pro comes in.
goop2

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Well by logo I meant the CCN cross, and the words referred to "Christian Coders Network"

The bloom is ok I guess, but its just a liiiiiittle bit too much.

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garand

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quote:
Originally posted by Mack:
Site logo
Isn't 100% by any means, I'm going to have an artist professionally do a update of the logo. It'll remain the same (I might pull the CCN) other than maybe rotating it a bit.

I was thinking about redoing the cross entirely. But the logo (in the pic) does not really need touching up i think, its plain and simple.

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garand

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quote:
Originally posted by LAVA:
That looks great Mack.

Though I know it's not offical, but will the emblem be changed as well? It kinda sticks out like a sore thumb with the rest of the design, unless that's intended.

Personally, I like all of the blue, lol. As long as the text for the threads complements it (which I am sure you'll change from that cyan.)

One suggestion I have for the site itself is, could we have a lock on older threads after a certain date?


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I think that it should blend in more.

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garand

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What about redoing the login, reply, logout, etc, buttons.

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Tonnyx

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One of the annoying things, functionality-wise, in the current forum is that when you click on a thread, you are given the first page of a thread. In a multi-page thread, it's annoying to click on it once, and then to click on the page number. I think I've seen some forums where links to the page numbers are given next to the title so that you can jump right where you want to in one click.

If that's not possible with the forum software you're using, I'll still keep coming here, but if it were, that'd be really good.

Thanks!

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SSquared

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To piggy-back on tonnyx, CCGR will pop you to the first unread item in the thread. It's really handy.

I like the new possible look. I maybe prefer the right side thread/discussion list to be smaller. I used to use this as my entry into CCN forums, but now actually enter into the forum page. I noticed things like prayer requests do not make the front page list and sometimes I miss a particular thread.

I like the simplicity and I think it will work well for 1024x768! Yeah! That's a HUGE plus in my book.

You are doing a terrific job! Looking forward to a new CCN.

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Originally posted by steveth45:
remove wildly ... offensive ... or combative replies to valid discussions.


So you've heard of me?

Mack, I think its looking really good. I've had a hard time offering practical advice because its almost impossible for me to think of CCN in any other form than the current. This update has got me pretty excited though.

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looks new, while paying tribute to heritage. approved.

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whoa that is awesome.

I don't think it's too blue at all.

great design, it looks enough like the old version to remind us of it, and still be somewhat the same site, but newer and cooler.

I think the words look awesome, yeah, the logo could use a rehaul. to match with the new style and also the words at the top. cool font.

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Lava
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Suggestion for new CCN: Could you make it so that we can delete our own posts, please? (and make it deduct from our post count )

Because sometimes I have accidently double posted or got involved in discussions I wish I never got involved in.

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garand

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I would be willing to give redoing the buttons and the cross inside the oval a try if no one objects.

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Lava
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I don't object.

I'd wait for other people to reply first though lol. Also keep in mind that your art might be replaced

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garand

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Yes I realize that it might be replaced. I just want to throw a few ideas out there.

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goop2

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You could do some up and post them.. that way people know what they would look like, and we would know if you would be the one to do them.

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Calin

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quote:
Originally posted by garand:
I would be willing to give redoing the buttons and the cross inside the oval a try if no one objects.


I suggest you talk with Mack directly.

garand

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Ok, I'll make up a couple designs for it and post them here. Just gimme about a day for a couple ideas.

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bwoogie

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that looks really nice mack. i think there is a tad too much blue. maybe add just a little black or something.

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I have a bit of experience in PHP/HTML/CSS if you need any extra coding in regards to that.

As far as features/looks are concerned. I would like a cookie based setup so I can log in once and not have to put my username/password in every time I want to post a message.

Even if they're deprecated, I like frames when used well. Unfortunately, I don't think that the current use of a frame is all that great. Perhaps having a logo up top with quick links for registered users (private message count, quick links to the user's profile or a page that keeps track of threads a user is subscribed to, and things like that). Sure, there are things like iframes and various techniques in CSS, but I don't know why we had to say goodbye to frames.

I also think that thread subscription would be good. I like to be informed of when a topic I posted to has received new posts.

Just a handful of ideas. All the same, I will try to make my skills available if they're needed.

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goop2

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Those are some good ideas Lee. I would definitely have to agree.

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spade89

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hey guys i know you are probably gonna say no but how about coding the site in jsp. i know there are lots of java gurus around here so....

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I have no say in the matter, but I'm always up for learning something new (in this case, JSP). However, that means a lot of "makeshift code" could show up. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm familiar with PHP. As such, my natural inclination is to work with that. However, that's just me.

Terrible idea alert!

CCN could always just be a major java applet. Then, customization on a per-user basis would be easy-ish to implement. The possibilities are endless!

End terrible idea alert.

Or, perhaps looking into JSP could be a good idea.

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goop2

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I had a nightmare last night that the background for CCN was r17 g17 b17, and had a picture with a background r6 g0 b0.

HOLEY CRAP IT IS!!

By the way I did an Google image search for holey crap and got this:

Interestingly, I have never seen a cartoon picture of the Ark without giraffes

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Mack

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that looks really nice mack. i think there is a tad too much blue. maybe add just a little black or something.

Alright, I'll try and mix it up a bit.

quote:
I would be willing to give redoing the buttons and the cross inside the oval a try if no one objects.

I'm interested in seeing what you come up with.

quote:
Could you make it so that we can delete our own posts, please?

I'll consider it, perhaps I'll allow it to be deleted or edited within a certain period of time. After that time is up the post stays.

quote:
One of the annoying things, functionality-wise, in the current forum is that when you click on a thread, you are given the first page of a thread. In a multi-page thread, it's annoying to click on it once, and then to click on the page number. I think I've seen some forums where links to the page numbers are given next to the title so that you can jump right where you want to in one click.

New forum software should do this for you.

quote:
I like the new possible look. I maybe prefer the right side thread/discussion list to be smaller. I used to use this as my entry into CCN forums, but now actually enter into the forum page. I noticed things like prayer requests do not make the front page list and sometimes I miss a particular thread.

If I reduce the size of it what do you think should be used to fill the empty gap? I am also considering what some have said to keeping 'General Discussion' topics from posting on the front page and users have to nav in the forum to get to them. Either that or create several small boxes (rather than one large one) labeled "Programming Topics" "Faith Topics" and "General Topics" which respective threads only show in there.

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What language is the new site going to be coded in

Depends on whomever helps me build the site really
Calin

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Here's something I had in my mind for a long time: make the "This message has been edited..." message appear only if the edit occurs after 15 minutes from when the post was made.

goop2

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Haha! My subliminal message has been heard! But.. I cant seem to find it.. Maybe it was in a different topic..

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termites! gasp!

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Xian_Lee

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quote:
Originally posted by Mack:
[QUOTE]I like the new possible look. I maybe prefer the right side thread/discussion list to be smaller. I used to use this as my entry into CCN forums, but now actually enter into the forum page. I noticed things like prayer requests do not make the front page list and sometimes I miss a particular thread.


If I reduce the size of it what do you think should be used to fill the empty gap? I am also considering what some have said to keeping 'General Discussion' topics from posting on the front page and users have to nav in the forum to get to them. Either that or create several small boxes (rather than one large one) labeled "Programming Topics" "Faith Topics" and "General Topics" which respective threads only show in there.

quote:
What language is the new site going to be coded in

Depends on whomever helps me build the site really
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I like the possible idea of having "latest posts in these areas" boxes on the main page. That's really all I have to say about that. It's a cool idea, and not a difficult one to implement.

Also, as I mentioned earlier, I have skills in PHP, (Strict) HTML, and CSS, and will offer my services (as time allows, of course) in those areas. I've also done a little bit of work with dynamically generating and parsing XML within PHP.

XML is still an industry buzzword, right?

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samw3

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I'm with Lee.. I have boatloads of PHP and MySQL experience and I would love to help refit the site. PM me if you would like help.

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goop2

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quote:
Originally posted by Mack:
[QUOTE]Either that or create several small boxes (rather than one large one) labeled "Programming Topics" "Faith Topics" and "General Topics" which respective threads only show in there.

I been thinking the same thing. I think Ive seen that done before and its very nice.

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Oh, I guess I should mention PMing me if you want my assistance.

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steveth45

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There is a very big flaw in this webpage. If you go to google and type in "steveth45". Look at the fifth link, it is page generated by CCN that has my email address, unencrypted. I get a ridiculous amount of spam at that email address, and its no wonder why.

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Calin

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I don't make public my email address on any site
hzfollower9

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quote:

[QUOTE]Though I know it's not offical, but will the emblem be changed as well? It kinda sticks out like a sore thumb with the rest of the design, unless that's intended.


it isn't 100% by any means, I'm going to have an artist professionally do a update of the logo. It'll remain the same design (I might pull the CCN words overlaying the cross) other than maybe rotating it a bit.[/quote]

before hiring someone to do this, why don't you post up a detailed description of what exactly you'd like done, and any and all image files you have that might help, and i bet you a number of the artists here would give it a shot. i know i probably would

quote:

[QUOTE]One suggestion I have for the site itself is, could we have a lock on older threads after a certain date?


Sure, 6 months will be the max. If it hasn't been regularly updated within 6 months of the creation we'll lock it.[/B][/QUOTE]

i have to say i agree with most everything else in this thread, but this is one of the worse ideas i've run across here. every other forum i've been to doesn't lock threads after a date. it's a decent idea, but one of the reasons i came here was to bump a yr old topic. i wouldn't be here if that feature was there (well, i'm a little too persistent for that, but still). maybe frown upon it, but don't lock it.

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steveth45

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quote:
Originally posted by Calin:
I don't make public my email address on [b]any site[/B]

I had no intention of making it "public" in that sense. Generally, when a website makes your email available to other members of the site, it is usually done so the address is not indexed by Google. This is not that difficult. The PM system is also broken on this webpage, so communication is severely limited. For example, I can recieve PM's but I've never been able to send them.

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Lava
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quote:
Originally posted by hzfollower9:
i have to say i agree with most everything else in this thread, but this is one of the worse ideas i've run across here.

*shrugs*

quote:
Originally posted by hzfollower9:
every other forum i've been to doesn't lock threads after a date. it's a decent idea, but one of the reasons i came here was to bump a yr old topic. i wouldn't be here if that feature was there (well, i'm a little too persistent for that, but still). maybe frown upon it, but don't lock it.

The main reason I suggested the idea was because it's becoming an issue, I don't care if someone bumps a topic once in a while, but when you start seeing 3 year old topics poppng up more and more, I think it becomes a problem.

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Calin

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I agree with Lava. If you want to discuss about something that has been discussed in a previous thread just open a new thread. If you what everybody to know what your talking about post the link to the older thread. Old treads tend to become spam/garbage bins.
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One potential problem with old topics being automatically locked after a period of inactivity is that I could see people working to try and keep old topics alive just for the fun of fighting the system.

HZ brings up an interesting point, about wanting to join to reply to an old thread. It's a tough call, as far as who we're trying to benefit more.

Lava
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I agree Han, plenty of people will try to fight the system.

But there's not much choice, and I think frowning upon resurrecting old threads won't do any good.

I know that when you're new at a forum, most people go to the old threads and post on them, I have done it, because for sites like this, the most interesting posts are the old ones. But it disrupts the community.

So that's why I think Calin's suggestion of just referencing an old post is a great idea.

Maybe we could have a sticky thread of rules to read before posting, and it could tell people to reference the threads instead of bumping them, because there is a 6 month lock.

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Calin

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quote:
Originally posted by HanClinto:
One potential problem with old topics being automatically locked after a period of inactivity is that I could see people working to try and keep old topics alive just for the fun of fighting the system.

Well at least that will keep you entertained =]

goop2

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Originally posted by LAVA:

The main reason I suggested the idea was because it's becoming an issue, I don't care if someone bumps a topic once in a while, but when you start seeing 3 year old topics poppng up more and more, I think it becomes a problem.

Lock them. Sometimes I see an old topic with something interesting in it, and want to reply to it. Starting new topics would actually be worse for a few reasons.

Its less efficient.
Its very uninviting for the above reason.
It makes the thread count go way up.

I wouldn't even bother to reply to a thread if I had to start a new one, and reference the old one to do so. This doesn't work for everyone anyway because all I ever see is " http://www.christiancoders.com/

I don't see how locking threads would be a problem though.. If someone brings one back and it becomes a problem, just lock it. If its annoying to have it above newer topics then individually archive it.

By the way LAVA you spelled 'popping' wrong.

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Calin

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Originally posted by Goop2:

I wouldn't even bother to reply to a thread if I had to start a new one, and reference the old one to do so. This doesn't work for everyone anyway because all I ever see is " http://www.christiancoders.com/

Hopefully that will be fixed in the new site. If you want to know how to get it fixed on this site take a glimpse at this thread: http://www.christiancoders.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001085.html

Lava
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Originally posted by Goop2:

By the way LAVA you spelled 'popping' wrong.


LOL

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Calin

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Originally posted by garand:


Hm, the image reminds me of that pic that gets displayed when you post a link to a screenshot that is broken =]

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garand

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You were saying?

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Calin

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The cross looks better
HanClinto

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I like the cross, Garand -- the shading matches the CCN logo really well I think.

It feels a little on the thin side -- I wonder how it would look if it were thickened up a bit.

Calin

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The cross CCN currently has isn't too bad. It just needs updated.
It would look better to me if your cross extremities were shorter. Also I think it were nice if the cross had a slick outline. If you leave it thick and flat it looks plain, you can break that with a slight 'cave-in' near the margins.

That is to add to what Clint already said.

[Edit #2]
Since it's Christian Coders you can even break the cross:

I'm off to bed.

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hzfollower9

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quote:
Originally posted by HanClinto:
I like the cross, Garand -- the shading matches the CCN logo really well I think.

It feels a little on the thin side -- I wonder how it would look if it were thickened up a bit.


i agree, but it's a bit too fuzzy on the edges. try using a lower radius blur

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Calin

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I know this is a lot to ask but can we have journals?
For everyone that doesn't know what a journal is here's an example http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/mod/journal/journal.asp?userid=28971 ).
It doesn't have to have all the bells and whistles GameDev or other sites have. I'd be more than happy with a system that would only allow posting and user comments.

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MastaLlama

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quote:
Originally posted by Calin:
I know this is a lot to ask but can we have journals?
For everyone that doesn't know what a journal is here's an example http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/mod/journal/journal.asp?userid=28971 ).
It doesn't have to have all the bells and whistles GameDev or other sites have. I'd be more than happy with a system that would only allow posting and user comments.

Calin


So you want a CCN Blog?

:sarcasm: Maybe we could have a CCN Myspace!!!

Calin

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Originally posted by mastallama:
So you want a CCN Blog?

:sarcasm: Maybe we could have a CCN Myspace!!!


Call it Blog if you want. It's a very useful tool to have on a site like CCN though. It's not trivial to get it to work though.

goop2

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http://wordpress.com/ works for me. Could have a page where you put a link to your blog, and only members can see it. Same thing with E-mail and contact info.

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Calin

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Originally posted by Goop2:
http://wordpress.com/ works for me. Could have a page where you put a link to your blog, and only members can see it. Same thing with E-mail and contact info.


That's an alternative but it's really now the game thing. There's a sublime distinction between something I (maybe a hacker, spammer, etc) want you to see and something that comes from CCN (as in CCN is ready to guarantee for).
I'm not insisting on it though because it means an additional burden on those responsible with building the site.

goop2

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What I mean is have a link on the members page, but only have members able to see each others pages.. We already have that, but its made public. All that would have to be done is add a blog link to it.

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Lava
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quote:
Originally posted by Calin:
I know this is a lot to ask but can we have journals?
For everyone that doesn't know what a journal is here's an example http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/mod/journal/journal.asp?userid=28971 ).
It doesn't have to have all the bells and whistles GameDev or other sites have. I'd be more than happy with a system that would only allow posting and user comments.

Calin


I think CCN already has a worklog, which is sorta like a journal

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Lazarus

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quote:
Originally posted by mastallama:
So you want a CCN Blog?

:sarcasm: Maybe we could have a CCN Myspace!!!


Great idea! How about CCN YouTube aswell?

I'm probably in the minority here, but the original CCN cross looks just fine to me.

Xian_Lee

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Actually, I don't hate it either. I like some of the designs that have shown up in this thread, but I've grown attached to the logos here.

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I agree Laz, if we were leaving the site the way it is, I'd say leave the logo, it looks great with the rest of the site. But I don't see it really fitting in a new type of site.

Just throwing some ideas out:
I think for the logo, we need to make the Cross to standout, but make it flow well with the rest of the logo.

Look at the original logo, it's theme is kind of grungy\brushed metal look. And the older style cross reflects that, so if you were grayscale the image the cross would totally fit with the rest of the style, but it would blend in too *well*.

Now if you look at the rest of the logo it's all gray except the cross, the cross is blue, which makes the cross standout.

I think the logo should have one consistant style while making the cross look different while keeping in with the rest of the style, representing the fact that we are all coders or game developers in one way or another, but our base, our center, what we seek, is Christ. That's the nature of the site anyways, and of course we will get people that won't fit either of those, we can get Christian non-programmers or non-Christian programmers.

I think the problem with the most of the crosses presented in this thread is they they stand out, but they dont flow, they don't share the rest of the logo that Mack showed us.

Maybe if we made the cross's design first and let it set the style, then make the logo afterwards, to show that it's Christ that we must adjust to, not the other way around, because Christ is constant and we are not.

This might seem a little excessive for just a logo, but I believe what looks good sometimes can be heavily influenced by the philosophy behind it.

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CPUFreak91

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Originally posted by Lazarus:
I'm probably in the minority here, but the original CCN cross looks just fine to me.

I agree with Laz. But any good lookin' cross is fine with me. I'm looking forwards to the software update

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firemaker103

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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but what about a "fun" section that doesn't show up in the recent topics sidebar. Keep the off-topic for serious off-topic conversations.

Socoder.co.nr has this with a "blog" part, so look there for an example.

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bwoogie

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what if the cross was shortened to a plus.... like C++ jk

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Mack

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Alot of great ideas in here and I appreciate everyones involvement and feedback!

This is something I quickly whipped up in 15 mins. It's not the offical logo change by any means; actually it's not really anything, I was just inspired by everyone in here.

The text in the background is code and scriptures mixed together.

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CPUFreak91

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Originally posted by Mack:



Kudos! Very nice looking!

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The text in the background is code and scriptures mixed together.


Very clever.

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goop2

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With the edges smoothed a bit... I'd like to see a screenshot of that on the page..

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Lava
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Yeah I tried it, to see what it looks like. And I think it looks good, but if the rest of the logo shared the same metallic texture it would look great
Calin

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quote:
Originally posted by Mack:
Alot of great ideas in here and I appreciate everyones involvement and feedback!

This is something I quickly whipped up in 15 mins. It's not the offical logo change by any means; actually it's not really anything, I was just inspired by everyone in here.

The text in the background is code and scriptures mixed together.

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Lava
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New CCN site suggestion:

Make a limitation of name letters when you register, at least less than <a really long annoying line of characters> -Mack

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Lazarus

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Ditto. I thought at first that the site was being attacked by some hacker when that happened.
Mene-Mene

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Ditto. Its 2 pages wide in 800x600.

I like the cross, though I must admit, I liked the old crosses indentation into the page. One thing that I think would be cool is Some binary mixed in the code. Awesome it is though.

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goop2

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I think if the old logo had the blue rim darkened a bit it would be fine. After looking a little closer though I noticed a lot of the text colors are the same as they are now. Interesting.

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bwoogie

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Originally posted by Mack:
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goop2

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Just a quick note: The reason I like the frame is because it gives me quick access out of a post and back to the homepage.

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Calin

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Hey guys there's been a while without any updates, how is the CCN refurbishing project going?

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Faith_Warrior

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I think my #1 suggestion would be to convert to SMF. Infopop is just way to clunky, Simple Machine Forums has gotta be the best open source BB system out there by far.

Now the problem is, it would take some real work to get your existing database data to intigrate with it, there is no Infopop to SMF converter out there, so that would be a challenge. I guess that is the drawback to picking an obscure system to work with. If it really is too much, than maybe thinking of phasing out the old board for a new install, keep the old forums and front end but create a second install to migrate to. At least with better supported CMSís and Forums you will never get stuck with them, often they have converters so you can get out of the software to something better supported as the years go by.

Front end CMS Iíd go with maybe Mambo or itís recent derivative. They work well with SMF, but what doesnít?

If you did that, most of your problems would be solved such as with thread errors or the poor PM system. Also what I mentioned is very easy to manage, secure and very simple to upgrade. If you really have not tested SMF I suggest giving it a serious look, try it out and all.

spade89

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ok i just saw mack say it's okay to ressurect a thread not as old or older than 6 month the last reply in this thread is april 2 time now is a few days (about 2) from 6 month so i think it's ok to resurrect .

ok mack started on doing some great graphics for ccn and making the site look real nice, so what happened why isn't ccn changing?

it still looks the same.

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leet hacker

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maybe mack or whoever is doing all this could make a updated sample-new-ccn-page and link to it or whatever, and see how everyone likes it. one thing i would like to see is like a search box, or at least an easier-to-find link to the search page.

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CPUFreak91

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quote:
Originally posted by leet hacker:
maybe mack or whoever is doing all this could make a updated sample-new-ccn-page and link to it or whatever, and see how everyone likes it.

Or, maybe Mack is going to release a new version Apple style: Wake up in the morning, and the site has changed. No announcements, just WYSIWYG

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Super Angel Steve

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Here's what we need:

Game Making How-To's.
A 3d model making tutoral.
Christian Game Reveiws.
and
flash games.

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Mack

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Thanks for the futher suggestions Steve, I noticed the image concept is down so I reuploaded it.

[img=http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7828/ccnnewiv1.th.jpg]

CPUFreak91

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quote:
Originally posted by Mack:
Thanks for the futher suggestions Steve, I noticed the image concept is down so I reuploaded it.

[img=http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7828/ccnnewiv1.th.jpg]



Oh, nice. I would really use that Showcase.
May I also recommend a few new fonts in the new release? Something less Arial-ly would really improve the look. Maybe some Sans or Bitstream Vera font?

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"Oh, bother," said the Borg. "We've assimilated Pooh."

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Super Angel Steve

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quote:
Originally posted by Mack:
Thanks for the futher suggestions Steve, I noticed the image concept is down so I reuploaded it.

[img=http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7828/ccnnewiv1.th.jpg]


Mack,That looks most AWESOME!

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ArchAngel

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What if we have a section, like the Showcase, where members can post current projects(with description, screenies and brief resumes) along with open positions? Kind of like a job board. Maybe even ranking based on how much activity is going on? Even an auto-prune to keep it from being filled up with old,dead projects.

I think someone mentioned it before, but I can't remember. was it charlie?

Whoever came up with it, I think it'd help the growth of current projects instead of spreading around our resources across multiple new ones (a danger Gump mentioned both here and in that infuze article).

That and I have a hard time keeping track of who's making what.

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Mack

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I've had a couple people approach me regarding the new site with helping out. Thanks to everyone for offering, right I'm working things out with Krylar over the domain. I might have to wait 6 months for things to run out before the switch over and he wants to help out with the new CCN as well so we're talking about that.

Please continue to submit your ideas and suggestions for what you'd like to see with the new site. I'm considering working on a new site layout which I'll post here when completed. Suggestions on layouts would be much appreciative as well, I'd like the new CCN to enhance it's users to provide more of the 'Three Cs': Christ, Community and Content.

Mack

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Update for everyone: At the end of the year we're going to toast the forum and replace it either with a modified phpBB system or a custom build that Krylar has been working on. Close to this time I'm going to put a request out to everyone who wants their user name and post count reserved.

Also, anyone who has suggestions for the new forum feel free to post them here. That way if there's any features we need to work in we'll have the time to add them in.

zookey

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I know it is early, but I want my name and post count reserved!

You know how, along the bottom, there is little things you can click on to email someone or see their profile? I would like ones added to include XBOX LIVE GamerTag, PlayStation Network User ID and Wii Friend Code---and, if someone views your Wii Friend Code it should send you a PM letting you know theirs if they have it on file--since both people have to enter each other's friend code for the friend request to work (which sucks royal, but that is a discussion for a different time hehe!)

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JeTSpice
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I'd like to see a search box on the page... __________Search CCN.

A journal idea is kindof cool, but don't we have that already, in the form of weekly updates... and it seems that anything exciting in anyone's day is posted. If everyone has a journal, it means that I have to search through all these blogs to find out what people are doing. Then, I have to limit my search to the top five or so because of time issues. It seems like it would fragment our community.

Perhaps instead, we could have a list of links under our avatars that lead to off-site blogs and youtubes and stuff.

I'd also like to see a feature where you click on the person's name or avatar and it takes you to their profile. Oops, we already have that. Maybe those little icons can be put underneath the avatar and made a little bigger. Is every one of the icons a piece of paper? Kindof. A "stickier" solution might be to use icons of people, rather than paper. Just a optimizer's point of view. It might be a little more user friendly.

I like the "hot topic" animated gifs. It would be cool to have more of those types of things. How about an animated clock for stuff that has been posted in the last 6 hours... a lightning field for heated debates...

Oh, yeah... is there anyway to put internal links into the site like a wiki?

[This message has been edited by JeTSpice (edited September 27, 2007).]

SSquared

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Great news! Can't wait!

I would really like to see a link to drop us at the first unread post of a thread. Right now, I have to click once. Then click the page I want. Then scroll until I manually find where I last left off.

samw3

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I don't know if you guys were aware of it, but if you delete your cookies (so that you are not logged in) you can control whether the world sees christian topics or not from the homepage. I guess a feature request would be to proudly display our christian topics to the world and not allow anyone (including googlebot) to turn them off.

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Realm Master

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...
Well, I think a new CCN would be a great idea.
This stuff was new and cutting edge at somepoint.. but it sure isn't now!

I'm getting excited just thinking about it!

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zookey

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quote:
Originally posted by Calin:
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[Edit #2]
Since it's Christian [b]Coders
you can even break the cross:

[/B]


I like this cross!

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Valkyri

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For 7 years, the same software? Heh, old but stable. Here is a link to a site that might serv as good inspiration: http://www.code2-design.com/home.htm

Personally, I think it should be just a bit brighter. Hope that helps.
Oh...
I still like the original CCN static logo.

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Mene-Mene

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BTW, since Zookey did it. I don't know how to do this, but I still want to be reckonized as Mene-Mene along with all my mistakes of the past, but I kind of want to change my name as its kinda, scary. I definetly do want my most count, and registration date saved though. I'm excited for the changes. It'll take a bit of getting used to though.

Some things I'd like to see:
A small team up (I think it was mastallama) for file hosting for showcases, avatars, ext.
A search thing.
I like the design, and color scheme (could use a bit of more contrast, but maybe not), but I think adding a layer of binary in the background would be cool, something like(in a loop): "1000011110100011100101101001111001111101001101001110000111011101000001000011110111111001001
10010111100101110011" (Christian Coders changed into Ascii, then into binary.)
Also to make Worklogs/Journals more prominent. Or make an official type "Weekly Updates" thing.
It'd also be kinda nice for the web/game developers to have an in CCN place to put their in-browser games. Just an idea. Possibly also like an insite chat box just an Idea.

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JeTSpice
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Please preserve my post count. It's cool when you "level up" and get a new name. Maybe there can be some more "levels"?
zookey

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quote:
Originally posted by Mene-Mene:
BTW, since Zookey did it.

Haha I make ideas popular LOLJK--I should start my own cult hehhe---I like the idea of leveling up too!

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Lava
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I've become a little more 50/50 on the "on the traditional emblem vs. new emblem" issue over time, and I've become more middle road rather than my old stance of a completely new logo.

I believe in more "revitalize the old one", while I've liked all of the crosses people have posted, they were all missing something; homage to the original emblem, a logo which made our site look unique, a logo we shouldn't lose. That's what I think the cross logo should aim for.

The cross I posted is an example of that idea, it follows the form of the old logo pretty much, but it also matches the newer look of Mack's posted screen.

[This message has been edited by Lava (edited September 29, 2007).]

MastaLlama

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quote:
Originally posted by Lava:


Hrm...perhaps inspired a bit by Halo 3?

Lava
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Haha, it does look a bit like it. Actually all I did was take the basic shape of the original logo (diamond-pointed cross in oval) and make one side thinner, figure-wise
Super Angel Steve

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quote:
Originally posted by Lava:

[This message has been edited by Lava (edited September 29, 2007).][/B]


That is Really Cool!

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Lava
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Thanks man!

BTW, Mack, I'd like my name and post count reserved, please

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Realm Master

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hmm.. that WOULD Stink if we all had to pick different names... because someone else got there first
instead of post count, could mine just say "Uber spammer?"
lol.
kidding (sort of...)

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Calin

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quote:
Originally posted by zookey:
I like this cross!


Yay to my idea
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MastaLlama

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quote:
Originally posted by Mene-Mene:

A small team up (I think it was mastallama) for file hosting for showcases, avatars, ext.

Yeah, I did start a project for this a little while back. I actual spoke to Mack about it last week and pulled it from the back-burner to the front. I've got an SQL Server 2005 setup and running for it and I'm working on the tables, stored procedures and web-gui.

You can follow my progress at http://www.CCN-Downloader.com

CPUFreak91

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I'll just mention that I would like my name and post count reserved. Just in case I'm away from the net when the official request is posted.

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leet hacker

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i would also like it if my name and post count were reserved (maybe not the name). i have fought long and hard to get these 92 posts. i don't know if anyone's said this before, but maybe have the new site delete old users, old meaning they haven't posted for a year or a year-and-a-half.

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MastaLlama

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quote:
but maybe have the new site delete old users, old meaning they haven't posted for a year or a year-and-a-half.

I'm not so sure that's a good idea. We've had a lot of "prodical sons" return over the years. Maybe if the users have visited/posted/anything in 3 or 4 years...but that's a stretch.

Ereon

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I'll probably let my name and post count go. It'll be interesting to rebuild my online "persona" as it were. I've been looking at redefining my online identity anyway.

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Briant

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I would like it a lot more obvious when there is more than one page in a thread. I just found this second page.

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SSquared

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I would like my name and post count saved as well.

Mastallama, the SQL site is a neat idea.

MastaLlama

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quote:
Originally posted by BrianT:
I would like it a lot more obvious when there is more than one page in a thread. I just found this second page.



You mean this 3rd page? hee hee

I too have had trouble noticing additional pages in a thread before.

evdude

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I'd like mine saved too(if its not to much trouble).
quote:
posted by mastallama



And I love that cross!</jk>

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Lava
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Hey for the new update, in the graphics sub-forum (if we still have one), could we have a stickied 3D model dump thread and as the first post of it, and it could have some info and links about commonly used modelling programs?

Not so much that there's a model dump thread, but that it's stickied and that it has info as the first post so it can be a 3D resource guide.

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SSquared

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Actually, I think having several different resource links is a good idea. Development tools. Audio Tools. Photo editors. Grahpics. We had this over at Creation in Digital (unfortunately, BlazeQ had to shut it down) and it was a great way to quickly find recommended tools.
JeTSpice
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I've noticed that this current CCN site has different graphics from all over-- different fonts and styles kindof all centered around grey-aqua. In the PM section, the buttons are from some Windows program.

Do you need graphics for the new CCN site?

zookey

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quote:
Originally posted by ssquared:
Actually, I think having several different resource links is a good idea. Development tools. Audio Tools. Photo editors. Grahpics. We had this over at Creation in Digital (unfortunately, BlazeQ had to shut it down) and it was a great way to quickly find recommended tools.

Yeah it also helps indie start ups! CID shut down? I haven't checked out that site in forever man---what happened

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SSquared

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BlazeQ just couldn't spend enough time with CiD. He is working full time and going to school. He mentioned another Christian graphics forum here.
zookey

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quote:
Originally posted by ssquared:
BlazeQ just couldn't spend enough time with CiD. He is working full time and going to school. He mentioned another Christian graphics forum here.

Man that is sad....he is a good artist tho I hope he lands in a good place once he is done with school!

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Mene-Mene

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I would like a seperate request thing. So we can move it out of the forums. Have it like tickets in its sorted by catagory, and title. But you can also get a description, and a brief description. It would also be nice if there was a, "I'm working on it button" where you could see who's working on it.

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samw3

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@mene: You mean like a "bug/feature" tracker?

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Mene-Mene

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but I mean something like you submit a "Help Wanted Request" and it "tracks" it.

But now I'm realizing that would take some life out of the forums....

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Mene-Mene

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One thing I would like to see is a way for the unregistered to post. Perhaps like being limited to only a few forums, and only being known as anonymous, no siggies or anything like that... If nothing else I'd like to see the reasons for not doing that besides spam, (of any kind).

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Mack

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quote:
Originally posted by mene-mene:
If nothing else I'd like to see the reasons for not doing that besides spam, (of any kind).

Trolls.

HanClinto

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quote:
Originally posted by Mack:
Trolls.


Not that we have any of those.
JeTSpice
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I would like to see a test for if a person is a christian, like photographic proof that they sink if submerged in water.
CPUFreak91

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quote:
Originally posted by JeTSpice:
I would like to see a test for if a person is a christian, like photographic proof that they sink if submerged in water.


You may have to find some balsa wood though to make a good comparison.

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christo
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I would like an option to selectively view images in the forums. As things are forum pages that have lots of pictures are kinda jumpy as the posts suddenly move down as each image loads. This might also be fixable using other means(like preallocating space for each image).
buddboy

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From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S.
Registered: 10-08-2004
that's a good suggestion christo. I think we should keep many of the elements we already have, like the color scheme and the way we have that main page rather than just a listing of forums like other forums. But a new layout with the same colors and a sleeker design would be nice. plus most of the things other people have suggested, like a shoutout box and a quick reply option. Also some things need to be more obvious, like more than one page, and where the PM inbox is.

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Lava
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Welcome back Buddboy!
StaticSpartan

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Maybe a new members thread?
Lava
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Good idea Spartan! And welcome to the boards!

http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum2&topic=001449

[This message has been edited by Lava (edited December 12, 2007).]