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Victory Infinitum

--D-SIPL

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Victory Infinitum

I personly will drop this place in no time flat. My testemoniy is long and covers many years worth of being convinced about being saved. Ive been babtized at diffrent places and diffrent ages such as 8-15 so no thanks to this idea.

If thats not what you have in mind sorry for barking you out. Im just saying if it does happen exspect me to go and a fue other people on here as well. (Dang why did this get a spark out of me? Maybe its cuz it remminds me of that old bag in floida that just banned satan woo woo)

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Peaza Cheez Mates!
Azariah "Angel"

having said that, i should put pen to paper..
and lead by example and not by idealistic words..

karl

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Karl Prosser
Karl / GODCENTRIC
Klumsy / Surprise ! Productions.
ME / Redeemed by the Living God :)
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz
May God Bless you, he sure does me.

So lets get started. I would like to first say that I was not saved because of a church or preacher or any other of my brothers person. I was always in churches and was taken from one to the other with my family. I often heard what love was supposed to be but never really got to see it. It was like a dream that you wanted to have back so bad but you never had it in the first place. So one year I started desperately seeking this love. I had already been baptized many times but the real thing was the clarity that I was saved. I had prayed the sinners prayer many times and now every time when it was spoken I said it too again and again. I still did not feel that I was saved. I thought I was going strait to hell still. This was because I had no feeling of love still. So one night I started to look threw my Bible about love. I came across many scriptures. So at the age of 14-15 I finally found what I was looking for. I found what I wanted in God’s word. I found that I hated everyone including myself and that was keeping me from feeling that I was saved. Forgiveness is a very important thing. (expesesuly when it comes to yourself.)

All this unforgivenness had come from years of being alone. It came from years of being neglected by teachers, family, people in church… None the less if we don’t want to get into a long story of years of hate its more simple just to say skip it. Anyways I started trying to love others after that day. I found that it made me happy to do so. I finally felt saved but that was just a start with my life. I was still stuck on my old philosophy that was very evedent to me at the time. I was still being abused at that time as well. The philosophy was “I am $h^& and everyone else is gold”. This was my code and my way of life. (Yes I know that is close to cussing and it is as far as I am going to go. To tell this story brings back many pains that I still wish I could forget but I never will) It was this way before I found love. How could I come up with that? Years of abuse from people of all sorts. I was told by my teachers, kids in school, some relatives, and other people whom clamed to be friends that I was this. Now I had from the Bible that I was to love others. So this only added to my philosophy. Now I loved them too and let them abuse me even more. When I say love I mean to show love. I was kind, pashent, caring, and many other aspects of love. For treating people like this I was treated still the same. This made the abuse worss for me. I was trying to be like Christ and love others and still I was abused and nothing changed.

Then at the age of 16 my parents divorced. This was both good and bad for me. It was good because a little of the abuse that was my mothers fault ended. It was bad because I was always told that marriage last for your whole life and I thought my parents truly loved each other. I knew better then this for a long time but I still wanted desperately to believe that it was true. At this time many people I knew were getting divorces. I was dropped yet again to the idea that love couldn’t be real. My mother now married to my dads best friend who was only 9 years older then me and I had known sence I was about 5. My dad began to drink and that didn’t help anymore. He did stop and come to his sences but after that he wanted to be dady. I had never known that I really had a dad or mom. I always had thought I was adopted. Many of my other relatives hated me so how could I truly be apart of this family? Yes he is my real dad but the time had long past for him to be a dady to me. So I didn’t know what to do at this time. I also started moving from place to place on my own. I moved in with total strangers and stuff like that.

Then about the age 18 is when I moved in with a girl I had just met on the streets. I did not know her and she told me to move in with her. I had just been led up to believing a different girl had loved me and then she told me she used me just to get rid of her X. Anyways I moved in with this new girl. I was now turning into the people I had hated for so long. Drink became non stop for me and drugs were plenty. I never did them but a house full of weed smoke still effects you greatly. After two weeks of that I moved back with my dad and stayed. I began to try and forgive him. He was now a good guy with a nice wife and he was starting a ministry to reach out to people. I then turned to the internet for love. I understood what love was to feel like but still had not felt it. The net became much like my life was in the real. Going beyond flirting but never actually engaging in sex. I finally decided one night to finely open up to someone. This girl did get to know some of me she also told me she loved me often. I grew very attached to her. I even went away to live with my mom for a short time again just so I could meet her face to face. Then one day she called me from a mission trip. She told me, “I love you more then God so I have to leave you”. I was crushed yet again. This time because I was more lovable then God. I didn’t see how I could be that lovable as mean as I can be at times.

So by this time I had studied the Bible a long time and had now left the church as well for many reasons. That is yet more story but the point is I still hadn’t felt what love was to feel like. No one would love me fully for who I was and would just ignore the bad stuff or as for that X would love me just a little less then God. Then I met my wife at 1am in a Christian chat room that used to be free. It isn’t anymore and that makes me sad but caring on with the story. She didn’t care what I was like and actually embraced me. She was a Christian that was actually going to ignore all the bad things and just love me anyways. She treated me like this before she even had seen me in a pitcher. So I said fine I would give this person a shot at showing me what love is. I moved from south Texas to Oregon to live with her. We then got married and also moved back to Texas. This is when she also found out about my troubles with love. She was crushed to find out that I didn’t understand it. I told her that I married her hoping that she would show me what it was. After many tears she agreed to help me. This took more then half a year. We had many recurring “I still don’t feel loves” from me. Then finally one day I felt what love was like. She had put up with everything and I finally now believe that people can show Love and not just be using a person.

My wife didn’t convince me that God loved me but she did convince me that I could feel what love is like from another person. If you see it from my way God put her in my life to help me with many of my problems. Granted I still have many but she helped me with the one that I asked God to help me with. So God will work threw others to show you the truth. After all the years of abuse and asking God when it would get better it is finally better. He answered my prayers better then I had hoped. Not only do I understand but also now I have someone who takes good care of me and shows me love always. I have forgiven my dad and many others. I have also lost my philosophy that I stated above. My wife showed me that I am not trash. I am worth more then gold, I am worth being taken well care of and loved. So this is a short of my walk with God till now. He watched over me threw all the crud I have been threw and gave me what I wanted and dreamed of. My sins during that time are forgiven because of Jesus blood. I have the Holy Spirit helping understand the Bible even better and life is a miracle.

So you now have a short testimony. I could have taken you threw my whole childhood but that would take years to write and I don’t care to go back threw it all. Might be a best seller as a drama but I am not interested. I ran this threw spell check and did the best I could. I did that for people that have complained about this and I wanted to try and be as clear as I can with this one post sence it is so dang long. I hope this is enough for a testimonial.

You people be blessed and I hope you see how much God loves you.
Azariah “Angel”

PS If some of you could, I would like openions on my story inside the post "Story Lines". You dont have to but I really wanted some openions about my work.

Then I also think people who are not Christians would be turned away from a place full of people who should be wanting more people here who arnt Christians. I wish to minnister and I wont do all that much good telling all of you what you know already. Other people need to here about Jesus. Thats the reason I pitched a fit

Anyways sence you said you would put yours up I am ankchuse to read it. Ive never seen a writen testimony from any Christian so this has got my interest. (Well just in yours at the momment but we will see).

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Peaza Cheez Mates!
Azariah "Angel"

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thanks for your testimony... I appreciate it..
it moved me, and i do like it..
its honest and its true..
It shows that God does accomplish his will through us - imprefect vessels..
Its sad that for so long in searching, you couldn't accept the love of God for you, i know my own battle with self worth , and my wifes and so many other people, its strange how it takes the inperfect love of a person to start to comprehend the perfect love of God..

BUt God knows how to reach us,

Keep up the growing angel, You seem to have a special wife (not as special as mine of course !), and she has a special 'angel'... at least you can now understand love having recieved it from her, because without knowing love, you would have been incapible of loving her, but now you can, with God's help love her as the husband God has called you to, to love her as Christ loves the church..

Its good having you around here..

Karl
as for mine i'll need a week or two to start nutting it out..

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Karl Prosser
Karl / GODCENTRIC
Klumsy / Surprise ! Productions.
ME / Redeemed by the Living God :)
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz
May God Bless you, he sure does me.

I think a testimonies section is a very good idea. And I agree with Angel and Karl that it shouldn't be required. But I think we can all benefit from anything anyone is willing to share.

Angel, you have a very powerful testimony. I knew this before you posted it because I could see peices of it throughout the other past discussions you've spoken in. God causes all things to work together for the good of those who love him, and I can see that God has taken your bad experiences and is now using them for good. I'll bet God is going to use you for great things in the kingdom. Your testimony is an encouragement to me and I'm really glad you stick around here.

And Karl, I too look forward to your testimony. I know it'll be well worth waiting the 2 weeks for it. What about everyone else? I'd like to see their testimonies too! Oh well, we'll see who opens up. I guess I should post my testimony pretty soon too. Well right now I should be doing my homework (wince). I'll see if I have time later.

†Caleb†

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"True friendship is not characterized by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve conflict."

God Bless
Angel

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Victory Infinitum

TTFN

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Peaza Cheez Mates!
Azariah "Angel"

Well i've grown up in a christian environment, my family are all christians exept for my Dad. I never really understood what christianity really meant and thought that because i've said the sinners prayer that i'm going to heaven. As you may know i'm really passionate about dance/rave/house music and started to go to illegal raves when i was 13. I started taking speed, just to get through the night.

This went on for a while and i started to get really depressed. I used to sit in my bedroom and cry, thinking that God didn't care about me, and that he would probably be happy to see me go to hell (how wrong was I!!).

I carried on living the life of drugs/drink parties every weekend (it was the only thing that would make me feel happy). Until one day i decided that i can't go on like this, and thought that i would see what christianity was all about. I started to go to church again, and reading the bible, basically spending time with God. What's the point in being in a relationship, if you don't spend time with that person, right?

Anyway, now i've decided to live my life all out for God. One day i'm going to be standing in front of God, and when he asks me what i did with my life, i'm not going to make excuses about not being able to tell my friends about God because im shy. I want to stand before him and tell him that i did my best, i lived my life to do his will, not mine.

Well that's my story folks.

--D-SIPL

Interesting Story D-SIPL, Angel, I'm so glad that God has worked in your life.

Here's My Testimony.

I have no story of how I was saved from a drug addiction or not.
When I was a young lad, about 4 or 5 I prayed the sinners prayer, but I don't think I understood what It really meant until I was 10 or so. God has never let me be since. He has and is continually forming me into His likeness at a, what I believe, a shocking speed. I've grown so much as of late and I have so much more growing to do. I am thankful of all the sorrow and grief God has spared me from and all that He is sparing me from now.
Sometimes I'm ashamed of myself when I fall into Satan's snars, especally when I see them coming. But He still loves me and I contine to grow.

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Victory Infinitum

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from your old mate :
c h i e f y
(global chiefy to yer old seadog seafarin' mateys)

Whilst I would *never* make this a requirement to be a member here, it would be cool to hear the testimonies

Chiefy: You're certainly welcome to participate in all the discussions! And that goes for anyone else too, regardless of your religiousness (is that a word?).

Btw, I understand your feelings about these things. I had the fun youth of having die-hard Catholics on one side of the family, "go to church on Easter" Methodists on the other side...and I went to a Seventh Day Adventist school. Well, since I was dubbed "Catholic", the SDA teachers (who were a bit tapped in the head) insisted on my unfortunate birth into eternal damnation. And my Catholic family insisted how I was being trained to be Satan's right-hand man by going to that SDA school.

Well, needless to say, I left the entire Christianity thing behind and said "uh uh".

I think a lot of what we believe, Christian or not, is based on upbringing. If we had not-so-great experiences, we tend to consider Christianity as flawed. If we had great experiences, we tend to consider it great...but most people I know in this category know VERY little about the Bible or what they believe in.

It wasn't until I finally took a good long look at a bunch of religions and learned quite a bit about their ways, that I came back to take a gander at Christianity. Analytically, I studied and studied and found nothing to debunk Christianity (and believe me, I tried).

So anyone out there thinking about the afterlife, I would suggest taking a real honest look at your beliefs. Do they really make sense or are you just hiding behind them? What is the support for the belief? Is it all feeling based, or is there evidence of truth? Sooner or later, it ALL comes down to faith...be it Judiasm, Budhism, Christianity, Evolutionism, New Age movement, etc.

To this day one of my favorite quotes is "The greatest trick the devil ever played was making people think he didn't exist." Don't let your eternity be chalked up to feelings alone. Study! Study them all. If you are as sincere in your search, and if you are not afraid to question, you will find the truth.

-Krylar

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i think i am babbling again cause its late..

God Bless

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Karl /GODCENTRIC
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia
Klumsy@xtra.co.nz

I don't know about seventh day adventists, but I know more about Jehovah's witnesses. My uncle was married to a fine lady. She was a Jehovah's witness and put pressure on him to "convert." He loved that lady so much. After a while he joined the Jehovahs witnesses. He stopped smoking and he stopped drinking, because they certainly won't wear that. The next thing is that he had to become a missionary. This missionary part is important and involves knocking on people's doors in your neighborhood and converting folks to join Jehovah's witnesses. In the end he couldn't bring himself to do the missionary part and this brought some heartache. Sadly at 3pm yesterday my uncle passed away and my mum was saying that now my uncle will not go to heaven when my aunt WILL. This is very sad, he was a really fine man and only 3 weeks ago we found he had cancer of the liver. He was having a doze in the lounge yesterday and just "found peace" - stopped breathing. Rest in peace my friend.

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from your old mate :
c h i e f y
(global chiefy to yer old seadog seafarin' mateys)

I have a qustion thow sence you two seem to know about this stuff. A friend of mine was daiting a J Witness. She told him that she had to belive in what they preached and that she could only be with a J Witness. The idea also came to mind is that how can you be a J Witness when you havent died yet? From what I understand if you are one that means you have died seen God and come back. Why the heck would you come back? If I came face to face with my true love and my creator I wouldnt leave. Who would be that stuped? I just dont understand the religion I guess. Maybe im to young?

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2Samuel C6 V14, Psalm C149-150, Ecclesiastes C9 V5, Ezekiel C2-3&C39, Matthew C6 V25, Luke C19 V11, 1Corinthians C13, Galatians C5 V22, Ephesians C3 V9, Colossians C1 V16, 1Peter C3 V3, Revelations C10

It says in the Bible that not one word should be changed in it... but the JW's have changed, added and done all weird and wonderful things to it. Are they blind?? did they forget to read that bit of the Bible??

And when they knock on my door and i challenge them about it, they don't know what to say, and just hand me a leaflet and walk off... at a quick pace!!

Hope i didn't go off on one there...

--D-SIPL

So..... when the JWs knock on your door - you challenge them about it, crikey most people just "pretend" they're out!

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from your old mate :
c h i e f y
(global chiefy to yer old seadog seafarin' mateys)

For intsance it talks about people like abraham, and some of the desciples, and it talks about some of them drinking wine... but Muslims aren't allowed to drink, and they were supposed to be Muslim prophets??

At the beggining of the Koran it talks about Jesus as being a Prophet, and then somewhere in the middle, it refers to him as the Messiah (Son of God)??

A bit weird if you ask me, but then again im not a doctor in Theology so i wouldn't know... Im just a Christian!!

--D-SIPL

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Rowan / GODCENTRIC Christian Demoscene