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Angel

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From: The Blissful State Of Me?
Registered: 05-21-2001
Hay I have a qustion. I was thinking that alot of you like RPGs and probably a good book as well. Anyways the qustion is pritty simple. I mesured The Hobbit by JRT and it was 150 pages long basicly. Now my book is 80 pages long basicly by the same mesurments. The thing is im not even close to finnishing my book and the way things are going im starting to think it may end up being 1000 pages long atleast.

So what im wandering is if I should divide up the book and release it peace by peace or should I try and put it all out in one big book. Oh I forgot to add in that my brother is probably going to be doing a gothic sort of anime art that will be threwout the book. He will be illistraiting key points in the book. Such as funny seans or introductions or battles well you get the point.

Oy did I just lose my qustion point? Anyways feed back would be nice. Oh it may be nice of me to say what the book is about. Its about a person who is 22 thousand years old and has hated himself all that time. The story picks up were he meets a 500 year old girl that over time teaches him how to love himself. Thay traval together and get into alot of truble and wars and meet qorky people along the way.

I think that about sums up the story. Well as short as I can put it anyways. Bla bla bla I need to let you answer my qustion.

Bye

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MeanManInOz
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From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Registered: 06-26-2001
I'd suggest that 1,000 pages is probably a trilogy, if the Hobbit is 150. I seem to think it was more than that, so I am presuming your measure of a page is quite big.

Do you have someone to publish it yet ? Do you intend to self publish ? Please don't think me rude, but if you intend to publish your own book, you need to get a friend to spell check it for you.

Angel

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From: The Blissful State Of Me?
Registered: 05-21-2001
I dont think your being rude. Though I do feel as if I am being called incompatent but if you say you dont mean it that way cool. I dont use spell check here and I am also barried in a thussorus all day long. So the odds of me getting a word wrong are slim that way. I also have my wife reading my book and she is good at spelling and grammer. I actuly am very good with grammer myself when I want to be. I tend to forget all that when im on the net. Most people on the net lack it anyways and use words like peeps, afk, lol, rofl, and other such things.

As for the size of pages. If the page is 6 and a half inches wide and 9 inches long that would be the size that im useing at the momment. The text would be New Roman Times I think at the size of 12. So ya thay are big pages. The real book of the hobbit papperback was I think close to 400 pages long. Not exactly sure thow ^_^

Anyways thanks for the input MMIO I think I may cut it up a bit. Still it should be a good long story :P

Drat now I have to edit this thing... anyways I forgot to say that I dont want to self publish. Thats to much head ake and ive been looking into it for a month now. I found a good place to get poblished and they accept unsulisited manuscrips. All thats really left is to finish the book put in the art and thats the end.

YAY for me
:P

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InsanePoet

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From: Vermont, USA
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pages are a bad way to measure things.
The version of The Hobbit i read had 250 pages

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nfektious
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Angel - my vote is for a trilogy approach. your idea sounds interesting

A thousand page document would really have to hold the reader's attention all the way through - not that you can't do that - it's a tough thing to do for anyone. Another thought is to do it like a novella series perhaps.

Whatever you go with I look forward to reading it

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Crptc_Prgrmr

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Please tell me you put all of those typos in on purpose Angel (note: this is not really targeted at you, just today's written word in general)...

incompatent? barried? thussorus? actuly? useing? momment? papperback? thow? head ake? poblished? unsulisited? manuscrips?

People's online spelling and grammer does seem to be erring on the side of humorous

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Crptc_Prgrmr

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...and yes, I am a card-caring member of OPCEL, the "Organization for the Prevention of Cruelty to the English Language"


...and yes this is my idea of a joke and any similarity to any real organization is not only pure coincidence, but downright hilarious...

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Faith without works is like a song you can't sing, it's about as useless as a screendoor on a submarine...

Angel

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From: The Blissful State Of Me?
Registered: 05-21-2001
I am currently talking to a publisher who is interested in my book. I guess my english is good enough for him/her ^_^ Anyways thanks for all the comments and I really should get back to work. I probably wont be by for a time again. When I do get my book out I will let yall know. Then maybe I could get some more C&C

God Bless

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BKewl

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From: St. Charles, MO, USA
Registered: 07-10-2002
Lol Cryptc every time you say "grammer" you're spelling "grammar" incorrectly.
Crptc_Prgrmr

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Ha ha, and me a card-carrying member of..oh never mind...
Really let that one slip, in my defence though I only spelled it once there, and obviously too quick...and I had just seen it spelled that way by Angel, these things can be contagious you know

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Veritech

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Posts: 208
From: Lockport, NY
Registered: 01-20-2001
I think series sell better then singals, in terms of books. I've seen you know hopw to create suspence, which is all thats needed at the end of one to get the reader to read the next ^_^ Good luck, and keep at it mate ^_^
Krylar

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From: MD, USA
Registered: 03-05-2001
I've read a number of sci-fi/fantasy novels that were 800+ pages. Look at pretty much any Robert Jordan book and you'll see TONS of pages.

Orson Scott Card once wrote a book that was over 1,000 pages and gave it to a friend to read. His friend replied that the book was good, but it was too short. Card was confused, but decided to start the book over and re-write. This time, though, he surprised himself when the story came out in full...but only at 200 pages! His friend re-read the story and replied that it was MUCH better, but that now it was too long!

Card couldn't understand what the heck his friend was talking about. How could a 1,000+ page book be too short while a 200- book is too long? Seems that it depends on how the story is told.

If you have a 1,000 page story, tell it in 1,000 pages. If you have a 200 page book, tell it in 200 pages.

Just make sure there is a main point of conflict, but then make a number of smaller conflicts baffle the way of the main character(s) getting to solution of the larger conflict, and do so in a logical, intertwined format. There can be many points of view that all arrive at this point of contention and collectively solve it, but don't allow your minor points of contention to detract from the major goal. They should be supportive of that goal. If there are a ton of mini goals without a main point (supported by the mini goals) then your story is really just a collection of little stories...hence "too short" regardless of pages. If there is one goal and no mini goals, you are going to have a "too long" story complex.

Hopefully that made sense

-Krylar

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c h i e f y

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From: Surrey, United Kingdom
Registered: 03-07-2002
hi Krylar - I never heard of Robert Jordan

my very best SCI FI book that I loved the most, was called 'THE BEAST' by A E van VOGT

I read that book SIX TIMES at least, only thing was, it had such a rotten ending but there you go.....

'meanmaninoz' is so right about spelling though
he's not saying anybody's rude OR incompetent

spellcheck will PAY OFF for anyone. I think I'm pretty good at spelling, but at the end of any WORD DOC. I always use spell check and most of the time, to my amazement, a word is highlighted and I say ooops! forgot about that

meanmaninoz has good advice but up to you

crptc_prgrmr, well nobody was going to say anything up to that point m8, but you're right too, Angel you're not the only one to have typos, if you can admit to having a problem you're half way there, right ?

BTW
my auntie went to a publisher with a book on the WWII

after a lot of haggling the publisher pulled out and she had to raise 1000s of cash from the immediate family, to finance "her own" publication of her book

when it came to it, ALL the graphics were left out, all the photos were left out, all the maps were left out

in the end: it was a 200 page book - with not one illustration, map, photo nothing

from what we were expecting to 200 pages of text only oh boy

so I walked into WHSMITH's a month later, oh boy IT WAS NOT ON THE SHELVES selling like hotcakes

every member of the family was mailed a copy of the book and ..... subject closed none of us dare raise the matter again (well not in public anyway)

PS
anyone interested in a 200 page book on WWII ?

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Angel

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From: The Blissful State Of Me?
Registered: 05-21-2001
Well if my book can start up this sorta chat when it comes out I think I should do well. I came up with a much simpler way to say how long my book is. I forgot that word can count how many words a script is and mine is 54,494 words long thus far. Come to find out an avrage noval is 100,000 words.

On a bright side for me my brother took the time out to read the whole thing. He said Tolken was boring but he loved my story and laughed alot while reading it. I guess I may have a select adience that I will need to identify.

About the WWII book im not to interested. History and what not get boring to me other then the Bible. I would give an example of someone to talk to about publishing it but you said its a closed subject.

Krylar you made a very nice point. My own famly threw that at me and so I have spent alot of time editing my own book. Adding information that is needed here and there. Then I took out retellings of old info that didnt need to be coverd.

As for subject matter and goals? The goal of the party is to stop a war. The story is mainly about growing and how others can help you. The war is a side goal that is revisited from time to time. Most of the rest of the book is battles and cheerful little disputes about what is right or wrong.

I think I have gotton enough answers for my old qustions. A new one would be wether or not you peeps think pix are a good thing to have? Do you want an illistration or are you one of them peeps who wants to imagin it for yourself?

typos typos wish I had a better keyboard
better yet I would like to have the net
then no more climbing stairs to swet
Maybe I should just get me cable or cord

blah to much time on my hands. I should work. Four hours a day on a book is enough? Naa I can do more work then that besides im getting a kick out of all this.

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MeanManInOz
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From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Registered: 06-26-2001
A 1,000 page trilogy does not need illustrations - it's the sort of book read by serious readers, who want to imagine it for themselves.

Books with pictures are best left to pre-teens IMO.

Angel

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From: The Blissful State Of Me?
Registered: 05-21-2001
Good poiint MMIO. I will be trying to sell this book to people who enjoy Anime. So art should be fine in my openion. Still I never did think about that point. The publishers may give the same idea and I should probably be ready to exspress why I think it should be encluded. Well thats another thing to tack onto my work list ^_^ thanks alot!

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Crptc_Prgrmr

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That's much better, I survey a horizon clearer of typos, and a much better world for it. Well fair citizens of Christian Coders Network, I must be off for now, fairwell...

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Veritech

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From: Lockport, NY
Registered: 01-20-2001
Dont know of the great Robert Jordan? Where HAVE you been? In all seriousness, he wrote the Wheel of Time series, a 9 book series, each of the books are over 800 pages, some over 1000. long, but not boring ^_^ well, a few aprts of book 7 were, but other then that, it was all good.

In terms of illistrations, MAPS ARE A NESSESITY. always throw in a map or 3, maybe a map of the town your in, or a road, whatever. and an overall map of the world. I always want to know where the character is. in terms of other pictures, thers always cover art, as well as a small pic at the begining or end of a chapter, but too many pictures make it a picture book, and changes the audiance. I prefure to imagine what things look like myself, in general.

Veri

Angel

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From: The Blissful State Of Me?
Registered: 05-21-2001
Maps are a deff I will agree on that one. I have one prob with drowing a map as of yet. I dont want to do it on a cpu and would rather do a hand done sketch. I need to get some clean paper and do that.

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2Samuel C6 V14, Psalm C149-150, Ecclesiastes C9 V5, Ezekiel C2-3&C39, Matthew C6 V25, Luke C19 V11, 1Corinthians C13, Galatians C5 V22, Ephesians C3 V9, Colossians C1 V16, 1Peter C3 V3, Revelations C10