spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6961880.stm i have an account on monster i hope it wasn't stolen too. this is why i really don't like hacking (the kind mentioned above). i guess the phrase "security is an illusion" turned out right again. ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
InsanePoet Member Posts: 638 From: Vermont, USA Registered: 03-12-2003 |
This isn't even the half of it. Hacking and virus coding isn't just done by some kid in a basement somewhere. Most often, viruses namely, are written by terrorists. They use these viruses to harness the processing power of the infected computer. If they are successful they can gain access to all sorts of things, not just pentagon databases but actually be able to control features on power stations and cause some real physical damage. This could throw the country into chaos ------------------ |
crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
You have a source for that statement, or are you going to submit that plot for the next Die Hard movie? ------------------ |
samw3 Member Posts: 542 From: Toccoa, GA, USA Registered: 08-15-2006 |
I vote for the movie.. as long as it doesn't end up like "The Net"! (I laughed so hard during that flick) ------------------ |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
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samw3 Member Posts: 542 From: Toccoa, GA, USA Registered: 08-15-2006 |
Sneakers rocks!  ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
heheh, I might have to check that one out. If its anything like "Hackers" though, its going to be more of a comedy than anything. :P ------------------ |
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InsanePoet Member Posts: 638 From: Vermont, USA Registered: 03-12-2003 |
You're laughing...I'm not... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cyberwar/view/ ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
quote: I highly doubt most hackers are terrorists, unless you broaden the definition of terrorist to include cyber vandalism, which some are. I really don't want to sit through 50 minutes of frontline (*shudders*) but I did some searching on line and there has been terrorist hackers, namely Irhabi -- Terrorist -- 007. but to say they're mostly terrorists is a large stretch. besides, our asian hackers are far superior to their jihadist hackers. ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
The word hacker is ambiguous, the word most is ambiguous, the word terrorist is ambiguous. You've made a hugely generalized statement. Yes, none of the things you mentioned are impossible. (Clearly) Its just too ridiculous to say that most hackers are anything at all. Have you ever even personally met a "hacker" in any sense of that word? A brilliant coder, an ingenious tinkerer, a security 'specialist', etc? From personal experience, any hacker I've known has been an IT professional of some sort by day, or a younger person (college or late high school aged). These are people I've met personally - generally the same goes for online communities. The only ones with national loyalty tend to be Brazilian, and that has little to do with their government and alot to do with good-natured nationalism. ------------------ [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited August 25, 2007).] |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
you're just jealous. only russians and asians can be hackers. ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
that's such a racist statement man,how about people of other races there can be hispanic hackers(kinda rhymes),or african american hackers ,or african hackers(have you heard about this nigerian kid being the youngest person to be java certified?),how about american natives or alaskan natives or pacific islanders oh and how about india they are the ones outsourcing coders in the u.s. in general race and intellect have nothing to do with each other,have you guys read the hackers's manifesto?? when i was into hacking i read lots of this documents and if you know anything about a hacker psychology is that they only judge you by what you say on the net not by your background or race or sex google up the hacker's manifesto if you don't believe me. other than that don't get too deep into this hacker thing and don't get decieved but here is a link to see what hacking was in it's begining and early days: here is what the main page of that says says(part of it): quote: if you ask me it's just geeks playing geeks just that they shouldn't let things out of hand and into the hands of people that could do real material and life damage(like terrorists). on another note did you know that irc was used during some coup attempt in russia and it got lots of fame from then on(back in the early 90's) and also used something in relation with kuwaiti's i read that on wikipedia ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Arch was kidding. You need to lighten up a bit, maybe then you'll start picking up on subtle language cues. We could avoid these frequent misunderstandings... I mentioned right in my post that nationality/race doesn't have anything to do with hacking. Arch was just trying to get a rise out of me... over the past couple years we've had a few light debates about ethnicity-intelligence stereotypes. The way you go about acting like an authority on the nature of hacking wouldn't bother me if it wasn't so completely lacking in any form of insight. Anybody with a quick glance through a few wikipedia articles could come up with about the same... So you spent a few years of your life immersed in "hacker culture" (in the security sense of it)? Great, looks like it was pretty much wasted. (Though it would seem we agree on this point, just for different reasons.) If this seems a bit standoffish, alright. Ignorance is one thing - frequent misinformed posting is another. In summary: Calm down and stop spreading half-truths about something you barely ever understood. ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
first of all you need to lighten up a LOT yourself i wasn't serioius about it too i know that arch isn't a racist dude i have heard what he has to say in the issue too i was just being informative on the subject when i said racist i didn't mean that you were racist just that you forgot to mention other races man . and you really really are starting to piss me off man i just mentioned and shared what i know and you act like as if i undermined your knowledge or something ok let's say i didn't know anything about hacking and i saw an article on wikipedia and i mention it here is that acting like authority if i know something someone else might not know then i don't see what is wrong with mentioning it.
quote: first of all i didn't realize i was acting like an authority just because you know what i said don't asssume everyone else does and i wasn't acting as an authority just that i know was deep into the whole thing and there might have been something i had found out or known that you guys might find interesting i apologize for sharing what i know i didn't think saying you know about something was the same as saying you were an expert/authority on the subject .
quote: yeah about that man first of all whatch what you say about people man if there is something you don't understand form what i said then ask don't call me i ignorant i didn't call you any names i don't see why you should i didn't even say anything about you personally i couldn't help being offended by some of the stuff you said about me i was just making a light post on the subject at first i kinda doubted what you guys here at ccn thought about racism but after seeing a couple of threads i saw that you guys were alright. and i have seen the joking tone in your posts.
quote: yeah man watch out again ,i will comment on that clearly you have your issues just be glad it wasn't in person you said this about me. i know this is over the net and all and seeing that this is a Christian site i think that you should calm down yourself before things get out of hand this time i will do nothing. but before you start name calling and lying about someone ask why and if my post was the way you thought it was. anyways look back at what i said it was majorly informative on the subject and i was just sharing my knowledge i didn't think sharing what you know would offend someone so much that they would start calling you names and msunderstanding your intelllect. ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Certainly sharing your knowledge is a good thing. In one of the other threads, many people shared their knowledge on the subject. The problem I see is that you make these "conclusive" statements against the whole thing. I guess I have been approaching my replies to you with an attitude best summed up by "ORLY?" Your postings read alot like this: "Its bad, don't mess with it, I know because I was involved" There is a huge difference between sharing information and making broad value judgments on something that I feel you don't understand very well. Do you see the difference in tone? You've been able to take a "condemning teacher" stance on the whole issue until now; maybe nobody else knows the difference, maybe nobody else cares. Or maybe since it is a Christian site, nobody wants to make waves. Well I don't have that same inhibition. If I see something I don't agree with, on a topic I am always learning about, I'm going to point it out. By the way: I'd have much rather said that previous post to you in person. Then we could've avoided the rest of the discourse. About the only thing you've got going for you now is the chance that I'll get banned. ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
quote: i don't get what orly means but i'd assume it's not something too bad .
quote: if it's bad and i know it's bad and i have experienced it then what's wrong if i tell someone? if you undermine my experience and my knowledge then so be it ,i say hacking is wrong because i have experienced this and that you say that you know more than me so you will do whtever you want well that's your choice then if you think you know better well good for you i don't see any reason to call names if you feel like there is sometihing i don't know about the subject then tell me that is kinda the point of a discussion thread isn't it? i think you are taking it personally because a lot of the time the stuff discussed here at ccn tend to be personal like hacking most coders think it's cool and for most of us we have tasted a bit of it some how so it's personal and when i make absolute statements instead of telling me if there is something i misunderstood or don't know you start name calling the same thing on that thread about the "m word" and what could be more personal than religion? again you said i spread half truth (you in a way called me a name right there again) you know as well as i do that by spreading half truth i would gain nothing one of the reasons i participate in these threads is to share what i know based upon my experience and i assumed that if the absolute statements i made were wrong or if i overlooked something instead of being offended and calling names you would disprove me by telling me what i don't know. you said i spread half truth(keyword here being spread) as if i am wrong about everything and you are right about everything. i could quote from other threads if you want to like the "hacking" thread i was to the most part against all kinds of hacking then someone pointed out that security admins and others use that so i changed my mind and said i am ok with it if it's legal. the thing here is sometimes i am right and sometimes because of i don't know something i am wrong if i am wrong i would(most of the times to the best of my knowledge)admit it. but i don't recollect you doing the same or are you perfect? and sometimes i don't say i am right because i am not and most of these times i end up having the last word on the thread. you know you shouldn't get too personal when you are wrong admit it.
quote: no i have taken a stance that says what is wrong is wrong because it's wrong and you don't agree with me and take personal offense and start and argument , the difference b/n an argument and a discussion i believe is in argument you take personal offense but in discussion you don't attempt to assault the other persons character and you don't take personal offense moreover in discussions you admit you are wrong but i can't remember the last time that happened in an argument.
quote: you are just like me except you take personal offense . that is exactly what i do and when i do that you call me a spreader of half truth's and undermine the knowledge i have on the whole thing. you know i do't claim to know better than you(since i don't know you) but just like you when i see someone saying something bad or when i see someone getting decieved i will point it out but all you do is get offended and nit-pick every single line and scan for something that you may accuse me by and because your purpose is not to discuss on the issue but to assault my knowledge my character and my beliefs. if i had done the same to you i apologize but to the best of my knowledge i wasn't unermining your knowledge on the subject i was merely stating what i know and that probably got you offended and to think that i was undermining your intellect,but what you did is out right undermine my intellect.
quote: you sound like you have been fighting with me all along, what i had in mind was that we were having a friendly discussion on the topic not a childish game of ranting and calling each other names. and i don't believe anyone will ban you man ,if you'd rather have said it in person then you would have pm 'd me. and you know what that's a nice idea being banned. since some people might not see this thread i'll create another thread. see the thing is i have no personal problem with anyone here at ccn and from the sounds of it you maynot be the only one having that problem with me,so if you or anyone else decides that they don't want me around then i will ask for the admins to kick me out if they don't i will just not come back again. ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Well I posted my response to this whole thing on your thread, "offended" ------------------ |
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Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
This thread is way off topic now. If you have personal differences then settle them via email. |
