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HanClinto

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Does this game not rock? If I could do polls here, I would do a poll of how many people have it.

The Family Christian Store near where I live has all of their christian computer games on sale right now, so Dance Praise was on sale from $50 down to $40. A friend gave me a coupon for "Buy one item, get second item of equal or lesser value for 50% off", and another friend of mine also wanted a copy of Dance Praise. So we each bought a copy with that coupon and split the savings, so we each got it for $30 + tax -- pretty good deal for two games and two dance mats that normally retail for $50!

So my wife and I hooked it up and played for a couple hours last night -- quite a blast -- I'm looking forward to playing more tonight.

In conclusion, if you haven't tried this game out yet, you should, because it's pretty good!

Anyone else here like Dance Praise as much as I do? (or more so?)

--clint

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One copy with 2 pads. I use it regularly to exercise.
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lol... what is it?

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HanClinto

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Gump: Very cool! That's one of the main things I'm hoping to use the game for -- glad to hear you use it and enjoy it.

Buddboy: Here ya' go: Dance Praise

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Looks interesting. I noticed a rock band that I like was scrolled over.
I wonder if you can hack the songs! Then I could add my 15 gig library with dance moves!

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Ashton_JX

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I've got a copy of DP too! I got it around 40 dollars with a cupon. I've managed to get fast enough to handle some of the Hard level songs. It is a blast! It is just too bad that I can't handle playing for more than 15 minutes or so on the hard songs. They are so fun but my legs are so scrawny! :P
(P.S. Beware the R&B songs. They are extreme o.O; )

Hacking Dance Praise? I (almost) never considered that . I checked the directories to see if the format for the music and dance files was anything that I could comprehend. When I found out they weren't MP3 or OGG, I gave up :P. (Not a programmer).

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quote:
Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Looks interesting. I noticed a rock band that I like was scrolled over.
I wonder if you can hack the songs! Then I could add my 15 gig library with dance moves!


Check out stepmania. It can do exactly that. You can add your own songs to the program and use a dance pad to them.

I may have to go out and get Dance Praise. Looks pretty cool!

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Wow... If I played dance games I wouldent admit it infront of all my friends :P

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quote:
Originally posted by goop2:
Wow... If I played dance games I wouldent admit it infront of all my friends :P



It's good disco practice

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DWI all the way!!!!!!!!!! Excellent system will do up to: 2048 songs and
no more than 64 sound effects in a single subdirectory of 'soundfx. Though it is DOS based.
BTW is there a demo of Dance Praise out on the web that can be DLed on a dial-up by chance?
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I could have sworn the ponint was in style, I did it at the party and every body was staring at me...


LOL! im just joking, but that would be hecka funny!

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zookey

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quote:
Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Looks interesting. I noticed a rock band that I like was scrolled over.
I wonder if you can hack the songs! Then I could add my 15 gig library with dance moves!



All you need to do that is download Stepmania www.stepmania.com ---that is a mod of Dance Dance Revolution (hands down the GREATEST rythm game) and Dance Praise, from my understanding, is a mod of Stepmania----seriously, if you guys like DP try DDR--there is at least 5-6 mixes available in the US, if you import somewhere in the 20s and a NEW Arcade mix on the way DDR Supernova--that is set for a worldwide release this spring and will have something like 300 songs on it!

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From talking with the developers of Dance Praise at the CGDC last year, I'm pretty sure that the engine used in Dance Praise was created from scratch, and is not just a mod of Step Mania. I think they used a modified version of their Adventures in Odyssey engine, and they didn't want to seem to have "stolen" stuff from any of the other rhythm games out there.

Just wanted to nip that rumor in the bud.

--clint

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the ponint? what the heck? lol..

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zookey

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quote:
Originally posted by HanClinto:
From talking with the developers of Dance Praise at the CGDC last year, I'm pretty sure that the engine used in Dance Praise was created from scratch, and is not just a mod of Step Mania. I think they used a modified version of their Adventures in Odyssey engine, and they didn't want to seem to have "stolen" stuff from any of the other rhythm games out there.

Just wanted to nip that rumor in the bud.

--clint


Well, it maybe an original engine--but still same exact idea as Stepmania minus ability to add in your own music--not saying that is good, bad or indifferent---which, in turn, is like In The Groove (which is LITERALLY a mod of Stepmania made by fans upset that DDR hadn't done an arcade mix for a few years) which all of the above are just mods of Dance Dance Revolution---again, I am not saying if that is good bad or indifferent---but still tho, to people who haven't bought it, if you want the same idea then download Stepmania and you can import your own songs (or go to www.bemanisims.com and download a TRUCKLOAD of them--including some christian ones on that site) and, to make it closer to DP, just turn on the game mod that makes arrows go from top to bottom--which is also a mode in DDR but you have to enter a secret code on the dance floor (there is also mods in standard DDR to speed up notes and make them invisible--there is also a way to switch their colors too--- www.ddrfreak.com has more info on those kinds of codes).


To be honest though, if Digital Praise wanted to catch the attention of Xians like me who are already DDR freaks---they probably would have been better suited to make their own dance floor (like Andimiro did with Pump It Up--still waiting for arcade owner to pick up one of those machines---it has 4 diagonal steps and 1 center step) than directly take the DDR dance floor---it looks like to me they had their own pads made (or maybe are they just the standard Konami ones with a different center logo? anyone have both? I don't even have a standard one anymore I use an Ignition pad) so it shouldn't have been too difficult to add a center piece or maybe do what so little games do and have 9 full stepping places--that way some people (like me) wouldn't be so quick to write it off as another In The Groove type game which basically is a trend in dancing games that 'well I didn't like this about DDR so I will make a game that is what DDR would have been if I made it'. I guess what I am trying to say LOL is directed to both DP and In the Groove (and thus, both Digital Praise and RoxoR)---don't try to make a 'better' or 'our version' of DDR---make your own rythm game and then talk to people like Red Octane about having a specialty controller made and you can start your own rythm game craze instead of riding on Konami's---that is what Harmonix did with Guitar Hero and look at it---the game is 70 bucks and selling like mad!

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HanClinto

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quote:
Originally posted by zookey:
Well, it maybe an original engine--but still same exact idea as Stepmania minus ability to add in your own music

Okay -- I just wanted to be clear. When you said it was a mod, it made it sound like you were saying they took the Step Mania source (which is freely available) and just changed a few things and called it their own. That's what I think of when I think of modding. What you were saying is that it's a ripoff of StepMania/ITG/DDR, and you're exactly right there. They did change the arrow direction/order to try and have some semblance of originality, but as you pointed out, they're still a pretty blatant ripoff in many ways.

In DP's defense, they *did* come up with some original things. One thing that they did to make it more family friendly was to implement a mode called "shadow dance", which is basically "follow the leader", where one player commands the steps and the other player follows them 2 beats behind (or however many beats you set it to).

They also have a few other two-player modes, one is "duel" (standard DDR where each player has their own score) and "duet" (where there is a shared score between both players -- other games may have this too though).

Most of the originality that I've seen in DP has been from how they've made it more family-friendly -- not just in content, but in helping newer players feel more comfortable as well with the new dance modes.

It's also got an excercise mode where you can put in the number of calories you want to burn, but that also might be present in other games -- I don't know. I'm pretty sure the Shadow Dance thing is original.

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Originally posted by zookey:
it looks like to me they had their own pads made (or maybe are they just the standard Konami ones with a different center logo? anyone have both?

I haven't compared it side-by-side, but it looks like a fairly standard generic DDR pad that they had their logo silkscreened onto the center piece and the black controller box at the top. I didn't look to see who made their pads.

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Originally posted by zookey:
don't try to make a 'better' or 'our version' of DDR---make your own rythm game and then talk to people like Red Octane about having a specialty controller made and you can start your own rythm game craze instead of riding on Konami's---that is what Harmonix did with Guitar Hero and look at it---the game is 70 bucks and selling like mad!

I think they hope to do more of that stuff in the future, but the impression I got was that they just wanted to start *somewhere* with this.

It was really cool -- my friend who bought his copy of the game along with me works with me in the office here, and as I was giving him his copy in his cube and talking to him about it, another co-worker walked by and noticed the game. He commented "My daughter loves that game!" -- she had played it at a friend's house and recently gotten it for herself with some of her own money, and was really enjoying it. I think it's great that the game is enjoying some popularity -- when I went to buy it from Family Christian stores, they were sold out and had to order it from another store that still had some in stock.

Thinking about it now, it seems that much of the innovation and originality with Dance Praise comes not so much from a technical standpoint, but from a marketing and content standpoint where they're opening up new markets rather than just trying to sell to old ones. It would be hard for them to break into the hardcore rhythm game market when they're so new to it, but it seems that they picked a good place to start. I hope that this isn't the only game in this series/genre that they'll release -- I hope that they will do more things, both with content and with original gameplay, but for now, I'm really happy to see such a positive step forward for family-friendly game development.

In Christ,
clint

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:

It's good disco practice



huh? sweet! *buys dance pad*

hey wait... is disco still around?? Love Liberty Disco was a realy cool song...

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LOL...

I can see it now...

"That's the best-dancing goop i've ever seen..." "Don't you know, that's DISCO GOOP!!!" LOL!!

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zookey

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Well, I can kinda see that, I am still all for christians making secular games with christian influence rather than for the Family book store market (see the thread where someone was at a speech presented by CS Lewis' Stepson)----but yeah calorie counter is in DDR---Shadow Dance, honestly I am not sure sounds original but there is a lot of modes in DDR I don't use---I use only standard (4 panel) and double (8 panel)---I only know of others such as invisible or flipped (they way DP does it) because I have seen fanatics at the arcade play that way (forgot too, for those of you who actually play arcade DDR--if you select the song and HOLD down the selection key--you can do all those mods without a cheat code it takes you to a new screen)---but still, they will be more likely to catch my attention if they make up a dance floor of their own (like maybe a 7 key one---3 up each of the sides and a center piece)---actually, I thought of this a long time ago--but I am surprised Konami never got royally ticked about DP, because DP came out the same time as In The Groove--the other step-mania-inspired-ddr-clone I talked about, and Roxor (In The Groove ppl) got royally sued--I don't know what the outcome of the suit was, but ITG seems to be still going, with a second console release this year (PS2) and a 3rd version arcade release (that is actually being manufactured for RoxoR by Andimiro---new arcade cabinets for that, the original arcarde releases were actually upgrades for DDR machines---maybe lol that is what ticked Konami off in the first place)


Want to know a royal piece of BS with dancing games? Microsoft hyped up that the Xbox version of Pump It Up is compatible with the 360---it is, but the PAD ISN"T---you should have seen how mad I was, I wanted that game sooooo bad (because you can import your own songs onto the HD and make your own steps to them) but I traded in my original Xbox to pay off the 360---sweet, burning irony.

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Ashton_JX

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@Zookey - Aweful. Just aweful. What on earth is Microsoft doing? Sorry about your tough luck.

@Clint - I agree with everything. :P

@Whomever - I've got both Dance Praise and Step Mania. They are both prety good. They both have their own unique feel, so they aren't completely the same. Dance Praise is a lot more forgiving than Step Mania, while step mania is superduperextremehardcore. In dance praise, you need to miss a lot of steps to loose, while Step Mania will give you the game over screen real soon if you don't move your legs. The timing is a little different between the two games. Once again, Step Mania is harder and Dance Praise is more forgiving (only a little, though the difficulty setting comes into play). Thats not to say Dance Praise is kiddie, though. The game is insane. Though if you are into something more extreme, Step Mania is your game (one of my favorite songs has me using both my hands and my feet. One time after doing that one, my legs ached for a week (but it was worth it XD!!!)).

Right now I can play Dance Praise on hard mode, and can only play Step Mania on Novice. (or whatever the second difficulty setting is, just past the easiest). They are both really fun, and the DP mat works great with either one. I'd highly reccommend both games.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashton_JX:
@Zookey - Aweful. Just aweful. What on earth is Microsoft doing? Sorry about your tough luck.

@Clint - I agree with everything. :P

@Whomever - I've got both Dance Praise and Step Mania. They are both prety good. They both have their own unique feel, so they aren't completely the same. Dance Praise is a lot more forgiving than Step Mania, while step mania is superduperextremehardcore. In dance praise, you need to miss a lot of steps to loose, while Step Mania will give you the game over screen real soon if you don't move your legs. The timing is a little different between the two games. Once again, Step Mania is harder and Dance Praise is more forgiving (only a little, though the difficulty setting comes into play). Thats not to say Dance Praise is kiddie, though. The game is insane. Though if you are into something more extreme, Step Mania is your game (one of my favorite songs has me using both my hands and my feet. One time after doing that one, my legs ached for a week (but it was worth it XD!!!)).

Right now I can play Dance Praise on hard mode, and can only play Step Mania on Novice. (or whatever the second difficulty setting is, just past the easiest). They are both really fun, and the DP mat works great with either one. I'd highly reccommend both games.


Oh yeah man and don't get me started on Sony,,,,,,with the PS3 using ONLY wireless controllers, how is my 99 dollar ignition pad going to hook up to it LOL!!

On Stepmania--you should be able to alter the juding window I think---or is that DWI? I haven't played either for a while but I could have sworn you could make Stepmania a load easier.


If you want the best DDR songs ever---go to Beamnisims.com and look up Lee Jung Hyun---korean hard core techno----songs like Bakkwo (metamorphasis) and Wa (come on) and Nuh (you)---man those songs are killer!! steps are good but I just jam to the songs all the time!

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Ashton_JX

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quote:
Originally posted by zookey:
...how is my 99 dollar ignition pad going to hook up to it...

I'm sure there will be some kind of wireless converter coming out so people can use PS2 pads... I hope.

And I do recall that setting on StepMania that alters the timing to make the steps easier to hit. That game has custom settings up the wazoo :P.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashton_JX:
I'm sure there will be some kind of wireless converter coming out so people can use PS2 pads... I hope.

And I do recall that setting on StepMania that alters the timing to make the steps easier to hit. That game has custom settings up the wazoo :P.



Yeah no lie man Stepmania can actually make your PC operate like a arcade machine---not totally sure why they did that but still kinda cool (exact same feelings about the eyetoy support in DDR Extreme LOL)

man if they did a wireless converter they would one up MS sooooo bad---and I would be junping for joy!

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I've been enjoying StepMania a lot since I downloaded it. Haven't hooked it up to the dance mats yet, just played it with the keyboard and looked at the options and whatnot. One has to be careful with the content that one downloads for it, but overall it's a *great* program. I've been playing on Reverse mode (it's one of the options) that makes the arrows go top-to-bottom, just like Dance Praise.

I'm actually thinking of setting one up in the youth room at church with a spare computer and putting it into arcade mode so that the kids can go in and play it whenever they want. I've got a spare Windows 2000 computer I'm not doing anything with, so I'll see about setting that up this week. The only thing I don't have spares of are dance mats, but I'm thinking about building my own as well.

I started making my own song steps for StepMania last night, I'll probably post it when I get more of it done. It's a lot of fun to make up dance steps to a song -- do you think people would be interested in a community contest for people to make their own steps for songs for StepMania? It's really easy to do -- much easier than modifying dances for Dance Praise (which I've done -- it's just not very easy, and I haven't yet figured out their compression algorithm to add my own songs). But regardless, do you guys think there would be enough interest for their to be a forum contest / community project to make dance steps to free remixes of Christian songs? I've seen at least one Christian StepMania song (set to one of the songs from Chronicles of Narnia -- Turkish Delight), but I'm sure there's always room for more good content.

What do you guys think? I'd be happy to post a tutorial about how to get started with this stuff.

In Christ,
clint

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Probably---check out www.ddrfreak.com and www.bemanistyle.com (sorry, earlier I posted it as bemanisims---that site changed to beamnistyle) for ideas----on bemanistyle they actually have a techno of Awesome God and a few other goodies (including, my personal fav, a techno based on the theme to Phantom of the Opera---REALLY SWEET). I think on DDRfreak you can find ways to build your own pad, but if you have the $ go to www.redoctane.com and buy an ignition pad---they are expensive but worth it, the only downside now is the arrows on them now look like In The Groove arrows instead of DDR (it used to look just like the arcade dance floor)---but it is still compatible with any dance game we have talked about so far!

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Does that not say chickmagnet all over it?

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hey Clint,

There's a button on the bottom left corner of http://www.digitalpraise.com/flash.php that says "Special Offer!" that give you the game and 2 dance pads for $40 cheaper for youth groups.

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lol i like that avatar goop!!

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Cool stuff, Jeremy! If our youth group really gets into it, I may try buying that. I've also been looking into building my own metal pads off of these instructions that my friend pointed me to recently.

I came in to work this morning to find a Red Octane Ignition 3.0 pad on my chair this morning -- my friend found a good deal on it at a GameStop and bought me one as a present! I'm really looking forward to getting to try at home. What a blessing!

Goop, that avatar is amazing.

So I'm still thinking about doing a contest to create a song pack for StepMania -- I'm thinking about picking about 3-4 songs that we would want to include, and then people can create steps for them at different levels (easy, medium, hard, and challenge), and then we'll decide/vote which are the best and include them in one collaborative song pack that we'll release for download in the gallery here and on some other sites.

I was thinking that we could also help promote some Christian games while we're at it -- I'm thinking that a version of A vs. O vs. E might be a good one to do (perhaps a slightly shortened version of it), and maybe we could get some music from some other games. That might be a good way to advertise these games and raise awareness about them.

Anyone have thoughts on this idea? Thumbs up? Down? Sortof sideways? If there's not enough interest, no problem -- I won't be hurt. I'm just thinking out loud.

--clint

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Not really into making my own steps---but enjoy the ignition they are much nice!

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zookey

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BTW guys---Beatmania (from the ppl who made DDR) should be coming out soon---similar to DDR cept you have a disc jockey table with keys and turntable instead of a dance mat---I think it looks pretty sweet!

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Ashton_JX

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Right on Clint!

I've been thinking of building a custom game prehprial myself. Not sure what, though. It just sounds like lots of fun.

I've even tried using my Dance Praise mat as a control pad for first person shooters. It was a... unique... experience. I had the dancepad at my feet and had the mouse on a clipboard that I was holding. I don't think it'd catch on LOL. Bout break my feet trying to dodge around like that :P.

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Very cool. I was thinking about using the mats also for that purpose -- glad to hear you tried it out.

Dance Praise has been a lot of fun lately -- I have a pretty decent setup at home with my projector now, so we play it on the big stereo and with a 5 or 6 foot image projected onto the wall -- it's pretty sweet.

I'm currently trying to build a machine that will be a dedicated DancePraise/StepMania computer that I can leave at church for the youth (and adults too!) to play with. Right now it runs Dance Praise, but it's way too slow, so I'm going to swap out the video card with a spare one I have and see if that helps it run any faster.

BTW, if people aren't interested in the whole StepMania song creation contest, no huge deal. I still think it would be cool to make a project that we could submit and possibly get included in a future official release of StepMania, but I'm not terribly attached to that ideal.

Cheers!

--clint

P.S. Shawn -- where's some of your new artwork? Since you got the Wacom last year, I haven't seen anything new. Got anything to share? (if you don't mind me asking)

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Wow, a Dance Praise machine! Now that idea has merit! Simply too cool. I should try to do something like that too. I've been wanting to make an arcade machine . Wouldn't it be great to have a functional arcade room at youth group full of custom games? Man it is a goldmine for creative types these days.

About drawings: I don't have many new images online yet since I've been advised to be careful with my IP (all professional like :P). Though I do have a few recent images. I'll try to get some more to you later .
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Ashton_JX/the_web/wabbit_banner.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Ashton_JX/lassie_gag.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/Ashton_JX/rabbit_pic_for_portfolio.jpg


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1 Corinthians 15:58 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be strong and steady, always enthusiastic about the Lordís work, for you know that nothing you do for the Lord is ever useless. (NLT)

Tired of loosing your work for all eternity? Jesus Saves! You should too :P (liek every 1 1/2 seconds) This is a message from teh save the data foundation, and from (CTRL + S): Because da data is y00r future. Maybe.

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HanClinto

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Very cool! Thanks for sharing the drawings -- your stuff is always insanely cute. That portfolio image is nice!

--clint

Ashton_JX

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From: Springfield, Oregon, USA
Registered: 02-21-2005
Thanks! I'll have to show you the completed image sometime (when I get my new modem in the mail and can connect to the net from home again).

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1 Corinthians 15:58 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be strong and steady, always enthusiastic about the Lordís work, for you know that nothing you do for the Lord is ever useless. (NLT)

Tired of loosing your work for all eternity? Jesus Saves! You should too :P (liek every 1 1/2 seconds) This is a message from teh save the data foundation, and from (CTRL + S): Because da data is y00r future. Maybe.

hzfollower9

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sorry to bump a horribly old topic.
anyway, i'm new here, and it looks like a pretty awesome place. i'll definitely have to stick around.

i originally stumbled upon this site looking for the dance praise files fixed for stepmania, as i was kinda frustrated with its fickleness.

i would be quite interested in making stepfiles for songs and having a contest. (i own dp and the pop/rock expansion)

HanClinto

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Hey HZ! Welcome to CCN!

Are you looking for the Dance Praise songs/steps imported into StepMania? I haven't heard of anyone running that conversion -- from what I know, it wouldn't be as simple as converting DDR steps into StepMania format.

Last year, I actually took the music of one of the Dance Praise songs, loaded it into StepMania, then created my own steps for it. Then, I wrote a program to convert the steps from StepMania format into Dance Praise format so that I could play my own steps within Dance Praise.

Just to let you know, the Dance Praise format is a millisecond-based format, and the StepMania format is a measure/beat based format. As such, they're fundamentally different enough that while it's possible to convert from StepMania to Dance Praise, it's not very easy to consistently convert from Dance Praise to StepMania.

Again, welcome to the boards!

Out of curiosity, what fickleness are you frustrated with from Dance Praise? Have you downloaded the patch from the Digital Praise website?

--clint

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hzfollower9

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quote:
Originally posted by HanClinto:Hey HZ! Welcome to CCN!

thanks!
quote:

Are you looking for the Dance Praise songs/steps imported into StepMania? I haven't heard of anyone running that conversion -- from what I know, it wouldn't be as simple as converting DDR steps into StepMania format.


i was, until i did a bit of research.
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Last year, I actually took the music of one of the Dance Praise songs, loaded it into StepMania, then created my own steps for it. Then, I wrote a program to convert the steps from StepMania format into Dance Praise format so that I could play my own steps within Dance Praise.


heh. i think i ran into you saying that here, but why? stepmania seems to be a superior program.
quote:

Just to let you know, the Dance Praise format is a millisecond-based format, and the StepMania format is a measure/beat based format. As such, they're fundamentally different enough that while it's possible to convert from StepMania to Dance Praise, it's not very easy to consistently convert from Dance Praise to StepMania.


i figured that out after the aforementioned research

quote:

Again, welcome to the boards!


again, thanks!

quote:

Out of curiosity, what fickleness are you frustrated with from Dance Praise? Have you downloaded the patch from the Digital Praise website?


the steps don't seem to be quite on: to get perfects on steps (on hard of course) you have to watch the arrow - you shouldn't have to
and no, i haven't gotten the patch. although, if you're talking about the free download expansion pack with 3 songs - i have before, and didn't notice a change in that respect. also, it appears that all of its functionality is also contained in the expansion packs (which i possess the third of)

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Tonnyx

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the steps don't seem to be quite on: to get perfects on steps (on hard of course) you have to watch the arrow - you shouldn't have to
and no, i haven't gotten the patch.

I agree, the steps aren't quite on; we asked them about it, and they said it was because many of the bands have human drummers, so it doesn't work as well to try to fix on a specific bpm. Since standard DDR music is a lot of electronica, the tempo is pretty fixed, or changes rarely.

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hzfollower9

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quote:
Originally posted by tonnyx:
I agree, the steps aren't quite on; we asked them about it, and they said it was because many of the bands have human drummers, so it doesn't work as well to try to fix on a specific bpm. Since standard DDR music is a lot of electronica, the tempo is pretty fixed, or changes rarely.


see i find that interesting. the shadow dance feature, if you've ever played with it, seems to run on a fixed bpm.

HanClinto

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quote:
Originally posted by hzfollower9:
if you're talking about the free download expansion pack with 3 songs - i have before, and didn't notice a change in that respect. also, it appears that all of its functionality is also contained in the expansion packs (which i possess the third of)

Yeah, it adds a few songs, but it also fixes a few quirks in a couple of the songs that had more obviously-off timings.

I'm pretty happy with the current version of Dance Praise, but I'm also looking forward to future versions. From what I hear, a new version is in the works, and they've been sending out surveys to people to ask them for feedback as far as what they'd like to see in the new version.

--clint

hzfollower9

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quote:
Originally posted by HanClinto:
Yeah, it adds a few songs, but it also fixes a few quirks in a couple of the songs that had more obviously-off timings.

I'm pretty happy with the current version of Dance Praise, but I'm also looking forward to future versions. From what I hear, a new version is in the works, and they've been sending out surveys to people to ask them for feedback as far as what they'd like to see in the new version.

--clint



yeah, i got one of those (and completed it)

but as for the competition you were talking about, i'm still interested (although, admittedly, not great at making stepfiles)

HanClinto

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Originally posted by hzfollower9:
but as for the competition you were talking about, i'm still interested (although, admittedly, not great at making stepfiles)

Did you happen to see this thread? It never really took off, but the starter files are still there if you're interested in having a go with a set of files where the BPM is already synced up to the music and everything.

Cheers!

--clint

hzfollower9

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quote:
Originally posted by HanClinto:
Did you happen to see this thread? It never really took off, but the starter files are still there if you're interested in having a go with a set of files where the BPM is already synced up to the music and everything.

Cheers!

--clint



sure, i'll give it a shot. to be honest, if the bpm wasn't there, i'd've just thrown it in dancinggorilla and had it do the hard stuff.

btw, i recently got a ignition 3.0 pad. man, is it nice. our dp pad is kinda torn and has electrical tape on it to prevent your socks from catching.


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